Reply #7: Yes. You can't have infinite growth in a finite system

[Briar]

but very few people are prepared to say this. It is unpatriotic. It is unAmerican! In the west, democracy has been conflated with capitalism (and more recently with consumerism - now it boils down to the word "choice", which covers all forms of democracy and freedom). With millions brainwashed to see nothing more to freedom than the free market, we can't even have an honest debate. The brainwashed squawk their indignation at the mere suggestion that the system they accept as the best possible in the best of all possible worlds might be killing itself and us and refuse to think about the problem at all.

Meanwhile, the ourobus of capitalism continues to consume itself and choke the planet in its ever tightening garrotte.