Reply #36: Chapter and verse please?

[Quahog]

I'm looking through Genesis right now, and I can't find a passage anywhere that "implies" that the sun orbits the earth. Could you educate me?

Or is it just that this sounds good in your argument, so you thought you'd just throw it in on the chance that no one would ask for clarification?

The problem is, you don't need biblical quotes to make your argument... the Catholic church was indeed very slow to come around to understanding the scientific evidence, and to understand that that evidence did not, in fact, say anything one way or the other about God or the way the universe was created.

Also, I notice that Europe has had no "downfall." After centuries of Christian devotion, after surviving two world wars and the holocaust, Europe is still there, its nations are still there, its cultures and societies and economies are still there.

Come to think of it, I can't think of ANY nation that has "fallen down" because of religious or spiritual belief, ever in history. It's always something to do with economics, or natural resources, or shifting demographics, or over-extension of military might. But I can't think of one example where religion in and of itself led to the downfall of a nation or culture or society or empire.

Can you?