Reply #45: You Don't Think That Thousands Have Been Slaughtered

[Yavin4]

under Bush? Just because CNN doesn't report on the number of Iraqi and Afghanistan lives lost because of war, that doesn't mean that thousands didn't die. Also, if Bush does indeed win, then there will be thousands of innocent lives slaughtered. Finally, just because Bush's body count is not as high as Stalin's or Hitler's, that doesn't mean that the comparison is inapt. Stalin and Hitler pre-emptively invaded and conquered nations that did not attack them because of national security concerns. The two D.C. snipers killed far more people than Charles Manson's family did. Does that make Manson less evil?

Cleland lost due largely to his opposition in a key DHS vote, as a result of which his opponent was able to paint him as soft on terror. That is not an argument that a Democratic candidate who wants to be successful should be someone who can be painted as soft on terror. It is an argument for just the opposite.

WTF? So Cleland should have proven his "centrism" by voting FOR EVERYTHING that Bush wanted? Giving Bush 99% of what he wanted wasn't enough. Hell, why don't the Democrats just vote with Bush 100% of the time. Better yet, why don't the Dems just disband and join the Republican party whole hog. This way, we can effectuate change from within the Republican party!

2004 is about more than the White House and unless Democrats face facts, the Democratic party will be an impotent minority party as on January, 2005 and for many, many years to come.

In normal times, I would agree with you that the Dems need to be pragmatic, but these are not normal times. Whether you want to admit it or not, we are well on a path towards corporate facism in this country, and we have a moral responsibility to future Americans to do everything that we can to stop it.