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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 09:54 AM
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27. No it is not
In 2007, when the Hansen model was 19 years old, Gavin wrote this:

The bottom line? Scenario B is pretty close and certainly well within the error estimates of the real world changes. And if you factor in the 5 to 10% overestimate of the forcings in a simple way, Scenario B would be right in the middle of the observed trends. It is certainly close enough to provide confidence that the model is capable of matching the global mean temperature rise!

But can we say that this proves the model is correct? Not quite. Look at the difference between Scenario B and C. Despite the large difference in forcings in the later years, the long term trend over that same period is similar. The implication is that over a short period, the weather noise can mask significant differences in the forced component. This version of the model had a climate sensitivity was around 4 deg C for a doubling of CO2. This is a little higher than what would be our best guess (~3 deg C) based on observations, but is within the standard range (2 to 4.5 deg C). Is this 20 year trend sufficient to determine whether the model sensitivity was too high? No. Given the noise level, a trend 75% as large, would still be within the error bars of the observation (i.e. 0.18+/-0.05), assuming the transient trend would scale linearly. Maybe with another 10 years of data, this distinction will be possible. However, a model with a very low sensitivity, say 1 deg C, would have fallen well below the observed trends.


And so with nearly 19 years of data accumulated to judge against, and the model admittedly doing pretty well, Gavin is unwilling to say the model has been proven correct. Do you really think he would be willing to say the same of AR4 models that have only 4 or 5 years of observations behind them? Please...

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/05/hansens-1988-projections/
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