Reply #170: OK, I watched the clip, and here's my response-the clip proves MY point

[Ken Burch]

Those "security needs" are code for making it impossible for a Palestinian state to come to life, or to survive for any length of time if such a "state" was created on those terms.

An independent country MUST have sovereignty-and the demands made in that clip would leave Palestine with NO real sovereignty at all.

Giving Israel the Rift Valley AND the Mountain Ridge would mean Palestine would be eternally surrounded by the IDF-thus, not a real country at all. A country cannot be sovereign if it is surrounded on all sides by another country's troops.

Palestine couldn't BE an independent country if Israeli troops had it surrounded on all sides. Palestine doesn't have enough land to be a real country if Israel controls those areas. Palestine couldn't be an independent country if IDF troops remained WITHIN Palestine, because it couldn't still have any sovereignty. Any Palestinian leader that agreed to all or even most of that would instantly and forever destroy whatever popularity he had, and would immediately be overthrown. So what good is it to demand things that the other side can't possibly accept?

And Israel isn't offering Palestine anything that could possibly make up for what would be the loss of MOST OF THE WEST BANK-there's no sweeteners in any of those poison pills.

With all the things that video insists on, less than half of Palestine would be left to the Palestinians, Palestinians couldn't drive from one part of Palestine to another without having to face harassment by the IDF, and there couldn't be any worthwhile areas that could be swapped to it to make up for all that would be lost. You wouldn't accept those demands if YOU were a Palestinian, and neither would anyone else, anywhere.

The "security needs" are code for making Palestine too pathetically tiny to survive-and for making Palestine live forever at the mercy of the IDF. If Israelis shouldn't have to live at the mercy of Palestinians, Palestinians equally shouldn't have to live at the mercy of Israelis.