Reply #74: Typical Democratic "blame everybody but me" crap.

[MadHound]

Failing to hold your candidates responsible for their own actions and mistakes.

For your information, Nader did not cost Gore a goddamn thing in '00, and here's why:

First off, Gore pissed off 600,000 Florida voters, either registered Dems or self described liberals, with his pro drilling stance. These people were so pissed over the fact that Gore was ready to open up near shore drilling off the coast of Florida(at the behest of his oily master BP) that they decided to double screw Gore, and voted for Bush. If the man hadn't been so beholden to his corporate masters, and compromised on the issue, he would have easily gotten enough votes to win Florida, but noooo, he had to please the BP folks instead.(Greg Palast, Best Democracy Money Can Buy).

Secondly, the above noted Palast handed Gore the entire Votescam scandal on a silver platter, names, numbers, connections, the whole ball of wax, all early on in the recount process. Now think about this for a minute if you would. Here you are, involved in a razor thin election, with a golden opportunity to not only win the election, but to banish your opponent to the political wilderness forever. What would you do? Well guess what, Gore decided to sit on the information, take the electoral hit, let the disenfranchisement of tens of thousands of people pass unmentioned(violating his oath of office in the process, you know, that part about upholding and protecting the Constitution), and lose the race in the process.

Third, even the great DLC god Al From doesn't think Nader hurt Gore, and God knows, he would be looking for any sort of scapegoat. No, instead he says, "The assertion that Nader's marginal vote hurt Gore is not borne out by polling data. When exit pollers asked voters how they would have voted in a two-way race, Bush actually won by a point. That was better than he did with Nader in the race." <http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=179&contentid=2919>

Fourth, I think that you are deliberately overlooking the dramatic effect that the Supreme Court had on this outcome. What, did Nader pack the court too:eyes:

Fifth, and most interesting, Gore actually won in Florida. After all the hoopla had died down, a consortium of news outlets went in and did their owned, unbiased recount, and found out that yes indeed, Gore won. Of course this report, originally scheduled to be released in Sept. '01 was instead pushed back to mid Novemeber. When it finally came out, few knew of it, few still paid attention, due to all of the 24/7 fear fest following 911. <http://www.commondreams.org/views01/1115-01.htm>

And speaking of whining friend, apparently you learned that well, where ever you recieved your lessons at. You're sitting here whining about a party that pulled in two percent of the vote, didn't cost anybody anything, and is old, stale news. You started an entire thread on this. Now that my friend is whining.

Why don't you and the rest of the Nader haters stop your whining, and take all of that misplaced energy and direct it toward solving the many problems that are rampant within the Democratic party?:shrug: Not only would you be doing something constructive, but you actually might bring in some more votes if the party got its act together.