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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:47 PM
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30. The known facts are established and you will not be able to counter them
1) Clintons have by far the greatest amount of support in the DNC

2) Harold Ickes voted for the rule

3) There was no dissension in implementing the rule and Senator Clinton signed the agreement not to participate

4) Every single commentator agreed (and it is only logical to do so) that small primaries like Iowa and New Hampshire favor the insurgent and unknown candidate while a large national primary would be beneficial to a candidate who had a dominant brand, large financing and connections developed over 20 years in high office.

5) Even the Clinton campaign has admitted that they were not looking past Feb 5th and this was proved when they had to use personal financing afterwards because they didn't budget for the post Feb 5th campaign.

6) The Clintons have both established and now recently reminded us that they have no problem in either stating something that is not true or completely changing their justification for doing something.

7) The advantage for Hillary was not in disenfranchising anyone - it was making sure that there was not a long string of primaries and caucuses but too have as many as possible on a single date. Given the states ambitions to get in front there had to be draconian measures. Even with the draconian measures two states jumped knowing that they risked disenfranchisement. Madfloridian has posted the video showing the Florida lawmakers laughing while they voted.

None of the points in your reply that are contrary to my post are backed by facts.

8) Candidates do not place their names on the ballot in Florida. The secretary of state does based on that persons opinion if the candidate is a possible candidate of national interest. The candidates signed a pledge not to participate in the primary and all of them, with the exception of Hillary moved to take their names off in accordance with the pledge (Kucinich's paperwork apparently was not submitted in time and his name remained on the ballot).


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