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[Ice-9]

Does it strike anyone that what is really going on is that the party elders have decided they want to erase the Clinton years and the Clinton legacy.

When I hear the term "party elders," the first people I think of are Gore, Carter, and (Bill) Clinton. I wasn't aware that Gore and Carter had declared their support, but I'm pretty sure I know who Bill is supporting. (Yes, there are other elders, such as Kennedy and Daschle, who have declared their support for Obama, but it's not quite the tidal wave that you portray.)

Even if there were something to your argument about wiping away the Clinton legacy (and there may be something to that), I don't see why you lump Johnson and Carter in with him. Most people, I think, would agree that the Johnson and Carter presidencies were more progressive in outlook than the Clinton presidency. If anything, I would expect an Obama presidency to restore some of that progressivism rather than "wipe" it "away."

They have plucked Obama from relative obscurity to be the puppet. He is perfect for the role as he is always in search of mentors and he surrounds himself with older men who flatter him and are flattered in return.

Senator Obama was not plucked from relative obscurity. His national appeal was blossoming as early as 2004 when he spoke at the convention. His support has grown steadily and relentlessly since then. No one cast a spell for him. Even Senator Kennedy could not help him much in Massachusetts. His steady, persistent growth is evidence not of a "pluck[]" from "obscurity" but of his tremendous charisma, the resonance of his message, and, to a lesser extent, the craptacular campaign of his opponent.

In any case, if you want to get into demographics, I suspect you would find more older people (men and women) in Senator Clinton's corner.

They (Kerry, Kennedy, Daschle, Nunn et al.) were too cowardly to take on Bush and impeach him.

I'm not sure you want to get into a debate about which Democratic senators were too cowardly to take on Bush.

Well dressed, well spoken, well versed.

You forgot "articulate" and "clean."

http://wonkette.com/politics/joe-biden/joe-biden-discovers-clean-articulate-black-man-232908.php

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