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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:17 PM
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114. An interesting phrase there:
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 05:18 PM by Occam Bandage
"each super-delegate should choose the method of tallying the popular vote that they feel comfortable with."

So, basically, you've just skipped over the questions of Florida and Michigan. This is unsurprising. Your path to victory relies entirely on superdelegates perceiving Hillary as the popular-vote winner. You're also aware that Hillary cannot win by that ad-hoc metric if Florida and Michigan are not counted. You're also aware that the case for including Michigan (in which, it cannot be repeated enough, Hillary Clinton was the only major candidate on the ballot) is flimsier than a saran-wrap bathing suit, and that the case for including the uncontested primary in Florida is nearly as weak.

Frankly, if there is a public debate--and a public debate in which there emerges a common consensus--about counting the sham votes in the final popular-vote tally, Hillary Clinton loses the nomination. Your roadmap absolutely requires there not to be a public debate on whether a candidate ought be given the nomination on the merits of an election in which she was the only candidate on the ballot.

And so you hope to prevent that debate from occurring. "Let the superdelegates choose their own method," you claim. Never mind that your roadmap explicitly demands manufactured noise to, shall we say, assist the superdelegates in making that decision. You call for a astroturfed e-mob loudly and angrily calling for "all the votes" to be considered--a neat bit of misdirection, given that Florida's votes were not contested, and that Michigan residents couldn't cast a ballot for Barack Obama if they wanted to.

Frankly, your "each should choose the method they feel comfortable with" line is inconsistent with your broader claim. You're suggesting out of one side of your mouth that superdelegates ought be bound to a certain metric--say, who got more votes in primaries. Fair enough. But yet with the other side, you're effectively unbinding them, claiming they ought choose the specific metric they feel more "comfortable" with.

Deception has its place in political life. However, so does straight conversation. You seem to be mixing them in a rather unbecoming fashion.
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