Reply #15: There's a fork in the road, either we keep doing what we have for the last 100 years...

[Bread and Circus]

and go down the same problematic road, or we do something different.

I see no way out of a myriad of economic and security problems without transitioning to electric vehicles.

The energy efficiency of electric vehicles vs internal combution engine vehicles is insane.

As to how we can get energy if not from oil, that's been ran through quite a bit in the energy and environment forums. It won't be easy and it will require herculean effort to restructure. But, if we really want to work toward real solutions, it's going to take a herculean effort of one kind or another.

Now, I might be all wrong about this but I think that the whole littany of "getting off foreign oil, not fighting wars for oil, energy independence, and fighting climate change" is 100% smoke and mirrors unless we radically change transportation as we know it.

If there's a better foundational solution than electric cars, I'd love someone here to spell it out.

I'm not an engineer nor an economist so I'm all ears to people who are expert in this area.

However, what fantasy is it that we will "get off foreign oil" when we import twice as much oil as we produce? What magic will we use to "fight climate change" if we are still burning fossil fuel in our cars?

United States prosperity has been built on cheap oil. Cheap oil is gone for good as long as populace nations like China, India, and other places continue to industrialize. We may be already facing Peak Oil production and refinement and $8 to $10 gallon gas is not absolutely out of the question.

People don't realize that gas prices like that will serve as an earth shaker to our Country no matter what. It will effect the price of nearly everything and exacerbate the peril of those that live on the margin.