Reply #347: I want to read about it for sure

[27inCali]

it's not about attention, I don't think Gays are whining, and try looking carefully for the place that I say that. I'm complaining about the name calling and bile coming out of both sides, there's just a point at which you make a topic totally toxic to the point that it doesn't get discussed because people are scared of what kind of crazy shit they will be accused of if they disagree or leave a careless phrase that can be twisted the wrong way. It should be discussed but without the creation of false dichotomies as a cheap excuse for people to flame fucking everyone and everything. I think there are just a lot of cats here right now that want to burn the motherfucker down regardless of who it hurts and that's just stupid and unprogressive.

and what do you know? you're calling me names, throwing convenient labels at me, not actually debating any logical point in my argument, just attacking.

and that's exactly the thing I am arguing against in the OP where it comes from the STFU assholes or the handful of morbidly pissed off Gay DUers who think for some reason they can speak for all Gaydom as though it were some monolithic cult of automatons. If it were true, there wouldn't people assholes using absolutely fucked up terms like "House Gay" to shout down whoever doesn't toe the line with the morbidly pissed off 8.

I think it's appropriate for there to be some rage and some venting, even that Warren threads have dominated for a while because it's very timely and it's exactly the kind of thing real Progressives care about. At some point the endless anger and back and forth becomes morbid. It's like having a shitty day at work and coming home and beating your spouse. What the hell did they do to you? Why didn't you take it out on the people who really had it coming? I think of a list of people "the Gays" should be angry at and looks something like Republicans, Evangelicals and Mormons, I don't see fellow DUers on that list. I think there is a handful of assholes on either side, flaming away either because they are because they are very patient trolls with high post counts waiting for the right moment to sow discord.

Don't shut up. Don't ever shut up. But do show respect to the people who are on your side.