Reply #12: Thanks for repeating exactly my points.

[JackRiddler]

"There is absolutely no way to know what influence the electronic voting machine has had." - Exactly. And so this door to full and undetectable and unprovable election fraud must be closed.

"The old fashioned means referenced above have effects that can be measured to some degree... Not only can these things be calculated, but they can be readily perceived, and in many instances are violations of the law, were the law properly enforced. They can be demonstrated..." Yes. Doing so, finally enforcing the law and ending the abuses is crucial.

But you prove that you see the difference! Excellent.

(Now add public campaign finance and free media time to candidates as part of FCC licensing and you might qualify as a democracy.)