Reply #134: That's the pat response to ANY claim made re either topic

[Echo In Light]

Frankly, I don't bother wasting my time with professional naysayers because no matter what is presented, what is said, whether it's presented as opinion or fact, it will be automatically disavowed by the crusaders.

If so many naysayers were truly disinterested, or 'above' the matter at hand, they'd simply ignore it. Yet the opposite reaction often occurs, as they seem particularly anxious to engage in an online battle of semantics, as if it really rattles their cage to the core knowing that there are others out there who believe/perceive differently than they. That deniers are so personally vested in their appeals is what speaks to their intentions, and so I've found that there are usually more earnest intentions among those with an open mind versus the ones attempting to shout down and belittle those they apparently perceive as enemies {due to what they think}.