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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:40 PM
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One thing that struck me as I glanced at my now-dizzying array of charts is that, first of all (and this isn't news to me. Is it to you?), the US Neptune is conjunct Barack's Mars. So, we, as a country through our Media (the US Neptune), tend to not see clearly the aggressive ambition he has preferring, instead, to see him in a manufactured, heavily stage-managed light.

This US Neptune is also inconjunct (or 30 degrees) from Hillary's Saturn so there is an inherent, although not impossible to breach, tension and need for recalibration the Media has with regards to her authority or her CEO-like wonkishness -- as well as sextile her Mercury/Ascendant. So (in light of the sextile), with work and a common goal, we, the People -- and the Media -- would understand where she's coming from, even if she doesn't drape it in gossamer and push it into a spotlight in front of screaming, crying, fainting fans.

But there will always be -- with this Neptune also opposite her Moon -- this need to find balance between what we expect a woman to be (her Moon) and what she is actually is, shifting by the necessity of finding balance this opposition demands of us our Neptune fantasy of who a woman "should" be. But, surprisingly, with her Moon quincunx her Saturn by one degree, she has -- or at least had -- her own battles with who she is as a "woman" and her natural leadership ability, something which may surprise her critics.

But this US Neptune is now receiving the same transit, being conjunct Barack's Mars, that Barack is receiving: the quincunx.

Tension, not being on the same page, not clearly understanding the needs or wants of the other and facing the irritating necessity of having to actually work to find some common ground. And really not liking it one bit.

So, how might this manifest? It goes back to my growing suspicion that the Press -- in the form of this Neptune -- will find itself in a suddenly tense situation with Barack as they begin the long-overdue and necessary process of questioning what exactly he's saying and what he means when he says it, peeling away strip-by-painful-strip the Neptune element of his candidacy he's relied so heavily on.

It could also indicate his moving into the unfamiliar waters of Policy Talk, Facts and Figures and the Press comparing what he offers -- and asking him about it in more detail -- with what Hillary offers. Not exactly the Neptune "let me inspire you" comfort zone Barack prefers and has grown accustomed to like a second skin. And once he leaves these warm waters of Neptune's embrace, stumbles onto the sand and into the glare of Saturn World -- policy, details, work, work, work --, it'll be twice as difficult to retreat back into the ocean once the going gets rough. It could even look evasive! (very Neptune)

This US Neptune is also inconjunct (30 degrees) Hillary's Moon, so work will be done there as well, but not -- by nature of the transits at work -- of the nature that Barack is facing. Although both aspects speak of not being on the same page, the chasm separating those planets in quincunx (150 degrees) and those inconjunct (30 degrees) is much greater. My thoughts are that perhaps after the rude spanking he's given her Saturn recently, Hillary's Pisces Moon (in a natal trine with her Mercury and Ascendant) will begin the tentative process -- with the inconjunct -- of daring to dream again?

Oh, and before I forget: Hillary's Saturn is 3 degrees from conjunct the US Neptune, so it's no wonder those who wish to be inspired find her the authoritarian buzz kill to their Neptune Fantasies.

But the quincunx this Neptune is now receiving from, well, himself may recalibrate the Voters away from the gossamer and spotlight and back to the real work and real details the next President will be facing on -- you see this coming a mile away, don't you? oh, of course you do -- Day One.
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