Reply #13: The papers I read did tie Hillary Clinton to it because it went out over her signature

[karynnj]

The question though is whether this was just considered so routine that it was just stamped "Hillary Clinton" by the department - scary in itself - or if she personally signed off on it. There seemed to be an attempt to minimize it - suggesting it was ignored. That doesn't convince me. It was either routine and a long term practice - and Bush DID get caught tapping ambasadors on the security council in the run up to Iraq or someone set this out as a goal and had it approved up the line, likely to Clinton.

Where I disagree with Giordano is that I seriously doubt she will be asked to resign. I watched the press conference she did - and if anything, I think, bizarrely, it helps her. She was pretty good and spoke of calling her peers and leaders and spoke of how they understood. She spoke of how this was raw material coming in to DC where she and Obama made policy. This was really the first time where I have seen her where she really came across as a powerful foreign policy maker.

As to the spying, we have not repealed the torture bill and have done little to investigate anyone involved with torture. If we won't go after that, we certainly will not dismiss any SoS over the spying. That the SoS is HRC makes it even less likely, as it would tear the Democratic party apart - and Obama would consider the political impact.