Reply #5: Yes, I do... Under cover that they appear to be that fouled up...

[darkstar7646]

I think one thing which has been under-estimated about these people is the question of what, exactly, they would declare success.

I do think Bush himself is quite the idiot, yes. But the people under him have been planning this for quite a few years (see my feelings on how they've compromised Hillary), and they're getting what they want.

To them, what is going on for them is complete success. I just think you underestimate what these people want and the means they are willing to use to get them.

I don't think they simply _knew_ al Qaeda was planning the attack. I believe they were co-participants. I think, for what they wanted to do (research what PNAC wants to do sometime), they needed 9/11 and a fascist state.

That fourth plane was headed to Congress. What if it succeeded?