Reply #10: MSNBC alone has 212,000 article results indexed under the word torture.

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full article results partway down the page.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/?id=11881780&q=torture&p=1&st=1&sm=user


Let's say if even only half of that was explicitly relevant-- Americans KNOW. We've KNOWN.

AND----we keep allowing the MF's who either outright support it - or want to run away from confronting it - to stay in our government.


MSNBC 2005

Why torture issue hasn’t had political traction
Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo don’t bar Gonzales, Chertoff confirmations

But the Senate voted to confirm Gonzales after Democrats decided that the torture issue was not worth a filibuster.

On Tuesday, Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo were again lingering phantoms as the Senate voted to approve former Assistant Attorney General Michael Chertoff, now a federal appeals court judge, to be homeland security secretary.



Torture sometimes justified?

Last June, in the immediate aftermath of the Abu Ghraib revelations, Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said at a hearing of the Judiciary Committee, “If we knew that there was a nuclear bomb hidden in an American city and we believed that some kind of torture, fairly severe maybe, would give us a chance of finding that bomb before it went off, my guess is most Americans and most senators, maybe all, would say, ‘Do what you have to do.’”

Schumer added, “It's easy to sit back in the armchair and say that torture can never be used. But when you're in the foxhole, it's a very different deal.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6970081/

And that was in 2005. How many other enablers have we restored to Congress and other places of power since? Four years later, who's in prison?

J'accuse
Facilitating Fascism
by Zbignew Zingh
www.dissidentvoice.org
February 21, 2006


What kind of doctors has the United States trained who stand by idly while prison guards force-feed prisoners in Guantanamo Bay with plastic pipes shoved down the noses of the shackled and tortured?

What kind of psychologists have we educated who assist the Pentagon inventing new ways to torture men and women, breaking their minds without breaking their skin; who help create government propaganda, plant false news stories, devise “psy-ops” to mislead us all?

What kind of lawyers are these who work for the Department of “Justice”, the “Defense” Department, the Pentagon or the White House, who waste their careers finding legal loop-holes justifying torture, deceit, eavesdropping and imprisonment without charge?

What manner of scientists, hardware and software engineers have we graduated who dedicate their intelligence and creativity to devising deadlier weapons, more secretive ways to snoop, and more innovative ways to kill?

What types of ministers, priests, rabbis, chaplains and reverends are these who mutter empty palliatives to their congregations, run through empty chants and mindless prayers and paeans to Love and Holiness in pursuit of a Life to Come, while today, right now, human carrion burns in their names, and naught do they do at all?

What types of writers, journalists, editors, reporters, actors, what types of men and women are these who slavishly say and write and do as they are told knowing that they spread lies and deception and blather?

Although this nation is led by a few, its actions are facilitated by many. We are the facilitators -- the professionals, the educated, the trained -- we are the ones whose skills and knowledge keep the whole machinery moving, the cogs oiled, the system operating smoothly.

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http://dissidentvoice.org/Feb06/Zingh21.htm

And we continue to facilitate it, among other ways, by re-electing our rat-bastards to Congress and other places of power again and again and again.