Reply #586: Count the number of times the word 'you' is used in your posts.

[sabrina 1]

Or 'simple-minded' etc. etc. Not to worry, I've been insulted by the originators of these tactics, the masters of the tactics, so it doesn't affect me personally, but it does diminish your credibility.

Many people never joined the Revolution and many ended up going to England to avoid taking part in the Revolution. Others tried to remain neutral. The 'movement liberals' DID try to negotiate, of course they would, the King was THEIR king at the time. But the difference between those who realized that there was no point in trying to negotiate further and those who wanted to continue to do so (are you denying the existence of these individuals?) was that the FFs, who fit Alter's silly characterization of 'movement liberals' at some point HAD ENOUGH.

As described by Alter, 'action liberals' NEVER have enough of appeasement and negotiating with people who by now it should be clear, cannot be negotiated with.


Since I do not identify with either of Alter's two silly labels, none of this is personal to me. I am assuming you must identify with his 'action liberal' label. Is it the word 'action' that appeals to people? Because there is good action and bad action. Which is why Alter's characterizations are so silly. He himself, who identifies with the 'action' part, hasn't demonstrated that he can distinguish between good and bad actions, considering his support of Bush's illegal invasion of IRaq. I would not be too influenced by anyone who made that kind of massive error, and certainly would never consider adapting any frames he might come up with.