Reply #2: Yeah, and I'd say it's highly debatable...

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..how well that turned out thanks to that approach.

I think this is going to require something much more than the "It's better than nothing!" or the "It's more than we would have gotten if the republicans were in charge!!!" which is pretty much how Healthcare reform netted out.

My problem with that....with this....with all of it....is not that I hate Obama...it's not that I want him to move mountains....it's not that I'm a republican. My problem is that the approach to everything, every negotiation involves starting in the middle with concessions to the republican/big business approach and needs, and then the end result being pulled even more rightward. And that's what I'm afraid will happen with this situation as well.