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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 11:32 PM
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Dean Struggles With a Stance Over Medicare
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Dr. Dean said, according to news reports at the time, that he "fully subscribed" to the idea of substantially reducing the growth rate in Medicare spending and he praised that element of a Senate Republican budget plan that was vehemently opposed by Democrats on Capitol Hill.

He argued that "we ought to put Social Security back on the table " in an effort to balance the federal budget, and he suggested that Congress consider raising the retirement age.

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But several veterans of the budget wars of the mid-1990's noted that there were major differences between the Republican plans for Medicare in 1995 and the one that ultimately passed with bipartisan support two years later. For one thing, the spending reductions in Medicare. were smaller. (An estimated $260 billion over seven years in the Senate plan in 1995, compared with an estimated $200 billion a few years later.)

Chris Jennings, Mr. Clinton's health care adviser, said: "Dean is right that the Clinton Administration desired to constrain growth in the Medicare program and strengthen the trust fund. But we did not embrace the magnitude of cuts advocated by the Republican leadership."

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In his comments in May 1995, Dr. Dean praised the budget plan advanced by Senator Pete V. Domenici, Republican of New Mexico, which called for reducing the rate of growth in Medicare spending by about $260 billion over seven years. A spokesman for Dr. Dean noted that the candidate supported Mr. Domenici's general goal on Medicare spending.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/01/politics/campaigns/01DEAN.html

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 11:34 PM
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1. New Whore Time...."struggles" ...of course they will put a spin
on it like that..
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 11:40 PM
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2. MUST STOP DEAN! MUST STOP DEAN! MUST STOP DEAN!
Dean said something too fiscally responsible 8 years ago!!!

CRUCIFY HIM! HE WANTS ALL OLD PEOPLE TO DIE PAINFULLY!
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 01:31 AM
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7. I Don't Typically Like Republican-Sponsored Plans
Do you?

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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 05:21 AM
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8. Plans or fundraisers? (NT)
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:44 AM
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12. Plans
But I love how you can't deal with questions about your candidate without trying to shift the focus elsewhere. :-)

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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:15 PM
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13. All things are relative.
Comparing Dean to Absolute Perfection makes for a good trick, but Abby's not on the ballot.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:01 AM
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3. Dean's health care plan expands Medicaid. Struggled(Past-Tense) is correct
Edited on Wed Oct-01-03 12:20 AM by w4rma
Dean's not struggling. He's got a solid health care plan that expands Medicaid.


For a year now, I have been traveling this country advocating a repeal of Bush's tax cuts so that we can provide universal healthcare and restore fiscal discipline. Many have questioned the political wisdom of challenging the president on politically popular tax cuts.

I believe, however, that given a choice between having health insurance or keeping all of the Bush's tax cuts in place, most Americans will choose health insurance. My plan will cost $88.3 billion -- less than half of the president's tax cut -- with money left over to pay down the deficits run up by this administration.

My plan consists of four major components.

First, and most important, in order to extend health coverage to every uninsured child and young adult up to age 25, we'll redefine and expand two essential federal and state programs -- Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program. Right now, they only offer coverage to children from lower-income families. Under my plan, we cover all kids and young adults up to age 25 -- middle income as well as lower income. This aspect of my plan will give 11.5 million more kids and young adults access to the healthcare they need.

Second, we'll give a leg up to working families struggling to afford health insurance. Adults earning up to 185% of the poverty level -- $16,613 -- will be eligible for coverage through the already existing Children Health Insurance Program. By doing this, an additional 11.8 million people will have access to the care they need.

Many working families have incomes that put them beyond the help offered by government programs. But this doesn't mean they have viable options for healthcare. We'll establish an affordable health insurance plan people can buy into, providing coverage nearly identical to what members of Congress and federal employees receive.

To cushion the costs, we'll also offer a significant tax credit to those with high premium costs. By offering this help, another 5.5 million adults will have access to care.

Third, we need to recognize that one key to a healthy America is making healthcare affordable to small businesses.We shouldn't turn our back on the employer-based system we have now, but neither should we simply throw money at it. We need to modernize the system so employers will have an option beyond passing rising costs on to workers or bailing out of the system entirely. Fortunately, we have a model of efficient, affordable and user-friendly healthcare coverage: the federal employee health system.

With the plan I've put forth to the American people, we'll organize a system nearly identical to the one federal workers and members of Congress enjoy. And we'll enable all employers with less than 50 workers to join it at rates lower than are currently available to these companies -- provided they insure their work force. I'll also offer employers a deal: The federal government will pick up 70% of COBRA premiums for employees transitioning out of their jobs, but we'll expect employers to pay the cost of extending coverage for an additional two months. These two months are often the difference between workers finding the health coverage they need, or joining the ranks of the uninsured.

Finally, to ensure that the maximum number of American men, women and children have access to healthcare, we must address corporate responsibility. There are many corporations that could provide healthcare to their employees but choose not to. The final element of this plan is a clear, strong message to corporate America that providing health coverage is fundamental to being a good corporate citizen. I look at business tax deductions as part of a compact between American taxpayers and corporate America. We give businesses certain benefits, and expect them to live up to certain responsibilities.

http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=policy_statement_health

The plan will cost an estimated, "$88.3 billion". This is paid for from some of the money saved by repealing Bush's tax cuts.

The Dean proposal expands Medicaid and CHIP to ages 25 and under. CHIP is expanded to adults earning up to "185% of the poverty level" (currently, $16,613).

For the "capitalist" half of the Dean plan: Folks with high health premium costs recived "a significant tax credit" to cushion the costs. The current "employer-based system" in use now will be modernized by upgrading it to the same healthcare coverage that "federal workers and members of Congress" have available to them.

Small buisnesses of less than 50 workers get lower rates than their larger competitors. Employers pick up the tab for 2 months in between jobs, but the costs of the COBRA premiums for those 2 months are subsidized, at 70%, by the federal government for employers. Corporations will receive "business tax deductions" as an incentive for supplying health care to their employees.

Extremely massive information dump on Gov. Howard Dean, M.D. (v2.0)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=41214

Gephardt's 'Mediscare' Tactics: 'Politics of the Past'
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=community_seniors

Is Dean A Closet Newt Fan?
http://www.liberaloasis.com/archives/092103.htm
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:06 AM
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4. I think the Southern Whore Democrats are struggling! The ones who are
Edited on Wed Oct-01-03 12:08 AM by dArKeR
NSA undercover mole Repukelicans in the first place.

I'd like to see who's actually paying for the IP addresses being used to post the clark pics on the DU.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:18 AM
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5. The NY Times chose that headline. (n/t)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:29 AM
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6. Here is a lot of info on his stances.
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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 08:01 AM
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9. Yawn
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 08:54 AM
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10. That was intelligent, let me help enlighten you
Dean AGREED with Gingrich and helped the Republicans by backing THEIR changes. Dean did NOT side with congressional Democrats who needed help wherever they could get it.
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Jackhammer Jesus Donating Member (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 08:56 AM
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11. BLASPHEMY!
Dean would never support Republicans, because that would make HIM a Republican himself!

At least, that's what we've all learned from Clark.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 02:25 PM
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14. As far as the "bureaucratic disaster" comments ...
Dr. Dean has also been haunted by comments he made about Medicare in 1993, when, according to an account by The Associated Press, he described it as "one of the worst things that ever happened" and a "bureaucratic disaster."

His allies say he was simply describing the management of the program from a doctor's point of view. Bruce Vladeck, who was running Medicare and Medicaid at the time, said he remembers Dr. Dean "saying something gratuitous" about Medicare.

"It sounded to me like the complaints of a general practitioner, who really didn't know what he was talking about," said Dr. Vladeck, now a professor of geriatrics and health policy at Mount Sinai Medical Center in Manhattan. "But he did run a really good Medicaid program."
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/01/politics/campaigns/01DEAN.html?pagewanted=2


I agree, those comments were overblown. Dean was just bitching. Not very presidential but not really a big deal. However, no surprise that Gep publicized these... every candidate must expect that anything they ever said might be dug up and used against them... it's politics.
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 02:32 PM
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15. Well said
I'm very impressed with the fair-mindedness you've expressed here, in light your not being a big Dean fan. :toast:
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