McCartney attacks China over fur

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McCartney attacks China over fur
By Adrian Addison
BBC Six O'clock News

Sir Paul McCartney has vowed never to perform in China after seeing horrific undercover footage of dogs and cats being killed for their fur.

The former Beatle also said he would boycott the 2008 Beijing Olympics after viewing the footage taken in a fur market in Guangzhou, southern China.

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"I wouldn't even dream of going over there to play, in the same way I wouldn't go to a country that supported apartheid. This is just disgusting. It's just against every rule of humanity. I couldn't go there."

Campaigners estimate that over two million dogs and cats are killed for their fur in China every year. China also farms animals such as mink for their fur and makes over half of the world's fur products.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4476664.stm

[noahmijo]

1. Not to be the party pooper but China has a history of slaughtering

baby girls, its own people for not working fast enough, horrible inhuman conditions......and its horrible footage of animals being brutalized that does it for him?


Sorry but the only good Beatles were John and Ringo the rest of em bunch a hacks who never really walked the walk as far as I'm concerned.

[thebigidea]

4. even if George Harrison never touched a guitar...

... he'd still make it to Showbiz Heaven for quietly funding the Monty Python films - no studio on the planet would've made LIFE OF BRIAN.

[Robeson]

5. George Harrison's "All Things Must Pass" was one the best, and.....

...arguably THE best, post Beattles album made by a former member of that group.

[melody]

9. Macca is already on record about infanticide

Beyond which fact, there's a children's hospital in Liverpool and a children's clinic in Arizona, to say nothing of many, many other things McCartney has funded, including the John Lennon Peace Foundation, to which Macca doesn't even sign his name (preferring John to receive the credit).

This statement was only about the animal footage -- that's the way celebrities make public statements of that kind, in order to sway opinion.

John was an immensely talented man with many flaws, just as Macca is. I could go on, but lets leave it there. Anyone who seriously thinks Paul McCartney is a hack, doesn't know the musical legacy of the Beatles (and his part in it). Anyone who seriously thinks George Harrison was a hack, well, I'd suggest a similar comment to the foregoing.

[nicknameless]

49. Thank you.

:thumbsup:

[Raine]

21. What I hated when I was protesting was

someone always thought I should be protesting or working on some other cause that THEY felt was more important. :eyes: A person does what they can and tries to pick and choose what doesn't already get attention, especially for someone famous they can only spread themselves so thin. :-(

[David Zephyr]

47. What an ignorant statement you have made.

"Sorry but the only good Beatles were John and Ringo the rest of em bunch a hacks who never really walked the walk".

[Media_Lies_Daily]

73. That's one of the most moronic statements I've ever read on DU.

[K8-EEE]

2. Good On Sir Paul

For pointing this out -- not that it will stop the freeptards from shopping at China-Mart, oops, I mean Wal-Mart, if the toilet paper is 3 cents cheaper there.

[Robeson]

3. Good. I agree with him.

[whoretaculture]

6. Sir Paul

Don't even tell him what they eat or use for medicine.

[Selatius]

7. You would think McCartney would boycott China for...

the fact that it is a brutal, authoritarian regime that slaughters thousands of its own people before the fact that it has an industry built on slaughtering cats and dogs for their fur.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

18. Exactly.

[FlemingsGhost]

8. I've never been so envious of China

"I wouldn't even dream of going over there to play, in the same way I wouldn't go to a country that supported apartheid. This is just disgusting. It's just against every rule of humanity. I couldn't go there."

[melody]

10. Paul's music now is the best Beatles solo work ever done

Bar none

[ingac70]

11. Don't they eat cats and dogs?

So it isn't like they are just killing them strictly for fur.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

13. would it be ok with you to kill humans so long as they ate human flesh???

just wondering -
seriously

[ingac70]

14. I wear fur coats myself...

So lets be realistic m-kay?

[JudyM]

23. Are you suggesting that since you do something that means it's ethical?

All of us do things and make choices that are not necessarily the highest ethical choice. We don't necessarily think deeply about all the implications. But being realistic means owning the full implications of those choices for others, including in this case, causing the suffering of helpless creatures. They are not treated humanely IMO.

http://www.hsus.org/web-files/PDF/PeopleFox2005.pdf

[TX-RAT]

40. Who determines ethic's, YOU?

[frankly_fedup2]

59. No. The Republicans have all the answer about ethics because they

provide us with such good examples like Tom DeLay (under investigation) and Bill Frist (under investigation) and George W. Bush (should be under investigation), Rumsfield (big player in the pharmaceutical companies before he was a public servent (Tambiflu), and let's not forget the big dickie (Still owns $400,000 in Halliburton stock, which has doubled since the war started. Imagine what luck these ethical men have. Goes to show that if you are ethical, you can become rich. Yeah, rich off the blood, sweat, and deaths of our soldiers; yet, they never could serve due to deferments.

Now back to the animals we all love.

A lot of people do not realize that if you wear "leather" you are wearing the skin of a dead animal as well. Leather belts, shoes, purses. Especially designer purses. Snake-skin Boots (I hate them, but my hubby loves them).

I cannot bring myself to wear fur but that is just my opinion. Plus, I have tried on fur coats before and they just made me feel creepy (and itchy).

I just wonder though. The clubbing season will start in January or February. It will be all over the internet. Have you ever watched it? If not, you might want to. It's shocking to say the least.

They get these baby seals, who have not been trained by their mother's to swim yet because they are too young, and separate them from their mothers. The mother is screaming, the baby is trying to get to it's mother, the baby is screaming, trying to run to it's mother but trying to get away from the killer man that wants to kill it. The clubbers usually get the babies at the water. They are terrified to jump in the water, even though some do and drown, but those that don't, well, they get whacked in the head. To the clubber, that means one is down. He doesn't care if it is a fatal wound with a slow death or if the calf is dead. He moves on to the next baby seal. Still behind them others are chasing the mothers away as they scream for their dead, or scream for their half dead babies.

Now if you eat beef, chicken, pork, etc., and you would like to hear the "human" way they are slaughtered, I'll be glad to tell you and refer you to some of the sites.

This is mostly caused due to FREE TRADE. If you are going to export meat, vegetables, etc., they have to be manufactured. Unless you live in the small, rural areas, your eating manufactured and/or imported meat.

Animals that are manufactured for trade are born in the stall where they will live their entire lives until slaughter. They will be force fed and injected with all kinds of antibacterial drugs and other things I cannot pronounce. They stand in that stall until it is time to slaughter. They start lining them up. They can smell the fear, because not only can they hear the fear, they can smell the death. Animals have fear to. I think a lot of people do not realize that the majority of animals have the same cognitive skills as a 2-year-old child (without the speech ability, of course). They can feel pain, pleasure, happiness, sadness, fear, and terror. When the cow gets into the stall it is led into to die, it will fight. Same as any other mammal. They that do this for a living, allign the Cow's head up and tries to lock it into position. Then a huge steel bolt shoots through it's head for that "human" death. However, sometimes the people that do this for a living didn't get it set up right, and really didn't care. They just move on to the next one. Manufacturing is what trade is all about.

That is why farmers cannot grow crops of certain vegetables and have them bought at market to be shipped out for trade. They can sell in the U.S. I suppose (not too sure); because this is why people in thrid-world countries starve. They try to grow enough to feed their families; however, the markets only sell imported fruits and vegetables.

I don't know how all this works but I've read enough about it to make me sick of it.

Just remember, None of these animals die "humanly." Ask a butcher sometime what is done to a cow so we can have that special meat on sandwiches called Reubens. Cruelty can hardly describe it really.

[Patchuli]

54. Faux fur looks just as nice

and no one had to suffer to make a coat for you...

Just a suggestion!

[JudyM]

61. Agreed, and faux leather is looking better these days, too.

Like with faux 'meat' substitutes... the past few years have seen vast improvements in taste and texture. Boca bratwurst and hickory tofurkey slices both rock!

[Patchuli]

62. I tried to be a vegan

and I couldn't do it all the way. Not everyone can.

I believe in using animals in the way nature intended the food chain to work, but not just for decoration or proving one has nads as a hunter.

[JudyM]

63. Do you feel that nature intended humans to eat other mammals?

This is interesting to me -- I don't, myself, believe this is a necessary result of our biology, largely because I've been primarily vegetarian for about 20 years. It was more a matter of taste, for me, and habit, that had me eating meat back when I did. Now I don't miss meat one bit and so the veggie life feels completely like what nature intended, but that's just my own experience. I like it! I do wear some leather (never what I call 'gratuitous leather' meaning leather jacket or pants) but constantly search for non-leather shoes. I think being a vegan would be really hard, a deeply respectable commitment. It's easy just being a vegetarian.

[Patchuli]

64. Have you heard of the Blood Type diet?

http://www.dadamo.com/

I am type O blood. That is the most common and the oldest blood type. It encompasses the hunting human who needs high protein, i.e., red meat and is required for fitness to do the most strenuous type of exercise. That unfortuntely seems to suit my body type the best and I am the fittest when I live that way.

I would rather be a type B (I think it's B) that is healthiest doing yoga and eating yogurt. I'm not really that big a meat lover. I'd rather eat pasta! But when I was a vegetarian, I ate only seafood and fowl. I cannot wear 'pleather' shoes! My feet break out in rashes!

[JudyM]

65. Yeah, heard of that diet. Try stretch nylon shoes - they're really cool.

DSW has a good selection if you've got one near you. Comfortable and some of them are fashionable.

Can you get the protein from vegetable matter? Soy, etc.

[Patchuli]

68. I think to be a proper and healthy vegetarian

it would take a lot of planning. To be honest, that is hard to do with a busy life. I was raised to eat meat but stopped for a period of years because the mad cow thing grossed me out. I know I should still be concerned about that but my husband loves meat and wouldn't give it up. It is hard to be a split-diet family. I do like tofu but I honestly don't think a left-over tofu sandwich would beat a left-over turkey sandwich...

Besides, we have carnivore teeth for a reason. Our ancestors lived mostly on meat and vegetation; the same diet I am on now. How do we explain man's chowing down on animals if we were not meant to? We adapted to our environment and what was available. Many indigenous people still live on high protein meat based diets, like the Innuits (sp?) which we would call Eskimos. In a very cold climate, what else could you eat? Nothing would grow there. I think your diet is subjective to your environment. I did survive a long time on Gardenburgers though...

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

71. since we are omnivores-we do have a choice

please see my other post--

Dr. Cousens ' book is well worth the read!
you won't be disappointed!!
I promise!

http://www.treeoflife.nu/

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

69. a human can slowly adapt to almost any diet-omnivores-regardless of B Type

Gabriel Cousens talks about the blood type diet in his new book and explains how it's a little more complicated than simply blood type--

Overall, with all the toxins in meat these days it's actually well worth the attempt to limit meat consumption
--Pesticide concentrations are something like 600 times greater in meat than in vegetables-

The cancer rate is way too high in this country.
The U.S. =6% of the world's population yet consumes 60% of the world's beef...and people are dropping like flies because of it.

Dr. Gabriel Cousens PHD has some great books out--he's a nutritionalist
Nature's First Law--and his newest one called Spiritual Nutrition-
http://www.treeoflife.nu/

Well worth exploring even if one doesn't intend to change drastically.

[Critters2]

81. Seafood and fowl

aren't vegetables. So, you were never vegetarian.

[Critters2]

82. I'm using Dr. Ornish's diet

It's the only diet shown to reverse heart disease. Vegetarian and very little fat. If it protects and heals the heart--and it does--it seems to me we were meant to eat this way.

[LeftyMom]

87. That diet's a load of crap, FYI

I'm O+ and the three years I've been vegan are the healthiest years I've ever had. The only healthy years I've ever had really.

Also, if you were eating fish flesh and fowl flesh you were never a vegetarian.

[plasticsundance]

83. I have tried being vegetarian ...

It came about mostly from the person I was dating. My wife and I do eat meat, and talk about whether we should continue. Both my wife and I support animal rights, and donate to animal right groups that we think are on the up and up.

I did hear a theory once that said it was when primitive people began to eat meat that the rib cage became tighter against the organs and body. This eventually led to walking upright.

I know others could discuss this theory better than me, but I remember it being like that.

Good job, Paul. Thank you for using your influence to speak out. You might also want to include Bill Frist along with China.

[Lorien]

66. Either makes a person look like an absurd self absorbed Yeti

Women work hard to take the hair OFF their bodies, then they spend thousands to look like Sasquatch. :eyes:

[Patchuli]

70. Hahahahahahahaaa!!! Thanks for the truth!

Love the baby kitties!

[ingac70]

15. Oh, and I eat steak and wear leather shoes.

:hi:

[Patchuli]

55. Food and shoes are more necessary than a fur coat nt

[Media_Lies_Daily]

74. Tell that to soneone living near the Arctic Circle.

[Patchuli]

75. That's the only exception. nt

Edited to add: people buy Hummers that live in the city too. It's a matter of need. I don't appreciate that the fashion mags and designers are again featuring a lot of fur. Most of us that do not live in the Arctic Circle do not need fur.

[FlemingsGhost]

16. C'mon now ... stop being melodramatic.

Personally, I find China's treatment of dogs and cats distasteful, but there is plenty of barbaric behaivors that occur right here in the "enlightened" U.S. of A. The death penalty, for instance.

Your statement is a knee-jerk reaction and smacks of an ignorant, provincial mindset.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

29. Growing up did you ever learn that 2 wrongs don't make a right? I DID

That post of yours is an valiant attempt at logic but is somewhat twisted in a way that possibly supports a kind of hypocrisy justification.

the death penalty?
What on earth does that have to do with animal abuse in the world?
Are you saying that we do "baddies" so day can do "baddies" too?

It'd be much more interesting if you'd attempt to validate your stance on the issue
rather than attacking someone's "mindset" or by slinging filler words like:
"smacks" (food or heroin which is it?)
and
"kneejerk"(reflexology?)
and
"ignorant"(the actual meaning of the word"ignorant"-- means "ignore+ant=ignore-ing" which is what you are doing)
and
"provincial" ( wha? french provincial)

Substance please-->please show justification of animal abuse using "logic".

P.S.- I don't think the McCartney story is a PETA story --it's about the efforts of a famous musician to bring awareness to the world-

your world, my world, our world

[FlemingsGhost]

36. Like cannibalism and its relation to murder was a logical path.

What, pray tell, did THAT have to do with animal "abuse?"

:eyes:

Granted, the example of the death penalty was obtuse. It was a quick and easy illustration of something that some people in other parts of the world view as "immoral," "barbaric" or any other word that comes to your mind when expressing your indignation, regarding another culture's habits, laws, etc. In this case, China's long standing tradition of eating cats and dogs.

One world. Many cultures. Your judgments? Whatever.

[TX-RAT]

42. the death penalty?

(What on earth does that have to do with animal abuse in the world?)

About as much as your comparison to cannibalism.

[TX-RAT]

39. Comparing humans to dog's and cats? very strange

[LittleClarkie]

56. Soylent Green is PEOPLE!!!

Sorry. Had to.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

72. ----- ----- ----- ----- > LOVE IT !! --- n/t

[oblivious]

50. Yes, I wandered through the big Guangzhou food market a few years ago.

They had live and dead dogs, cats, rats, deer, scorpions, maggots and gawd I can't remember whatever else. Nothing's wasted, that's for sure.

You realise how different the world is when you go through a place like that. You're sort of stunned and speechless. Surreal.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

12. to see the footage of them placing a bag over a dog's head and beating it

to death with a baseball bat is beyond me...or watching them hanging a beautiful dog with a choke chain--and that's just what ordinary citizens do to make a few extra bucks--
The Industry is much much worse--
-they do to dogs and cats what we Westerners do to cows and pigs--
and for FUR???? better check yourWall Mart coat collar--

Paul McCartney --you speak for Humanity's higher consciousness-----YOU ROCK!!!!!!!!

let's all hit any and all scoundrels where it hurts--in the wallet!! boycott all goods produced through exploitation--

[Kolesar]

25. I did not see that footage, but this BBC story is ghastly enough

It is quite simple folks, This is a moral issue.

[Ferret Annica]

17. He should be more concerned

about the murders of dolphins and whales by the bloody Japanese.

The brutal mass murders of cetaceans at Iki Island in the 80s is something the world should not forgive nor forget.

http://www.seashepherd.org/

Don't just boycott Japan, interdict those killing cetaceans and physically stop them.

By any means necessary.






Dolphin slaughter, Iki Japan

[donheld]

22. Do you know that he's not?

I know Paul does what he can. I'm sure if he knows about it, he's fighting it. Paul :yourock: in more ways than one.

[Ferret Annica]

24. He has a good understanding

of the problems of how we are treating the oceans:

Suffering Seas
Trawlers and seine netters cross the world's oceans scooping out increasing numbers of ever smaller fish.
Heavy trawl boards smash their way across the ocean floor, destroying everything in their path.
Every year more countries scramble to join the killing fields of tuna drift netting and with each net go the lives of more whales and dolphins, rays and seabirds, turtles and sharks.
Some countries continue with their slaughter of whales. Mammals with a language more complex than our own, but of which we understand not one word.

Intensive factory farming has also come to the seas of Europe and it is salmon, mysterious migratory creatures which are the chosen captives.
It is like caging swallows.
Crammed into cages they can only survive with the use of antibiotics and pesticides and are made marketable by colouring their flesh with an additive banned in the USA. And to feed these imprisoned creatures, the seas are trawled for other fish, industrial fish.... 5 pounds to produce 1 pound of salmon meat.

PCBs are industrial chemicals, some of the most poisonous substances known, these now infect almost the whole of the oceans' food chain.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

FACTS 5:
Nine of the world's 17 major fisheries are in serious decline. All of the others have reached their limits.

Worldwide 124 billion dollars are spent every year catching just 70 billion dollars worth of fish.





Recent surveys suggest that over 40% of fish caught in the North sea are diseased - often with cancerous tumours.

An estimated 240,000 tonnes of PCB's (effectively banned in the UK since 1980) are thought to have entered the world's oceans.

http://home.datacomm.ch/rezamusic/macca_meat.html

But whales and dolphins are our equals or superior in intelligence to us. This is a difficult thing for our specio-centric culture to accept, but obvious to anyone who knows cetaceans well enough to get past our core prejudice that we are the supreme species on this planet, which is re-enforced by many outdated concepts promoted by flawed religions such as Christianity.

There is so much bad environmentally going on in the world, I would make our priority to save those who can help us with our perspective once we develop an interface language that transcends the stumbling blocks of the different frequencies cetaceans and our species of hairless primate speak and hear at, the fact we hear better in air and they in water.

I like Paul and appreciate his efforts, but his priorities in fighting environmental problems are as well thought out as they could be.

Perhaps I am guilty of being to opinionated an environmental activist in my own right, but I don't think so.

Thanks for your feedback, I do appreciate it, but let me make clear I support non-violent civil disobedience and boycotts to be used for most environmental activism accept in regards to cetaceans.

I support sinking whaling vessels, and killing anyone involved in actively murdering cetaceans because of their intelligence and the tragedy inherent in humans not being able to understand that they are animals that need to control and then reduce their numbers. That humans should just take their fair share of resources of this planet.

My argument is one of priorities and concerning aspects of some things I just don't see Paul and many people fully comprehending.

Janus was a project to develop an interface language that didn't get enough funding and took place before computers becomes so much more evolved and suitable for the task at hand, and many researchers fear the cop ting of their work developing communication between our species to enslave cetaceans to preform war time roles.

The intelligence issue breaks as huge a paradigm as anything Galileo nearly was hung over concerning the makeup of the heavens, and it is one that once broken would automatically make it far easier to stop many other environmental problems because of the fundamental change in human perception of who we are and what our place is supposed to be on this Earth.

[progressivebydesign]

27. He should be equally concerned, not more concerned. n/t

[Raine]

19. Cheers

to Paul!!! :thumbsup:

[Raine]

20. Dupe...self-deleted. nt

[progressivebydesign]

26. J.Crew = Coyote (dog) Fur hoodies. I am boycotting them entirely.

I encourage others to choose other retailers this year, as J.Crew has suddenly decided that COYOTE fur is THE fashion trim for their 200 dollar hoodies. Truth is, if you research it, coyote fur that is sold all over is usuall DOG fur from China. Nothing like wearing your freakin' family pet on your neck. I'm seeing more and more retailers using UNNAMED fur (dyed to look like leopard, etc.) on their women's fashions. I let J.Crew know that I was not only boycotting them, (I've been a customer), I am letting everyone I know that they are using coyote fur (dog fur), and to boycott them as well. WTF are these buyers thinking? Or are they being paid off by the fur industry to push fur accessories?

[Freddie Stubbs]

28. I can think of a lot more important reasons to boycott

How about the way they treat humans?

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

30. humans/ animals/ EXPLOITATION is exploitation--doesn't matter --n/t

[Freddie Stubbs]

31. Humans are more important that animals

[flvegan]

93. Egotistical post, but whatever.

[ernstbass]

34. Excellent point Night Tripper

[RandomKoolzip]

32. Props to Macca for his big heart, but I wish he'd work on writing

and singing a song as good as "Jet" or "Martha My Dear" again instead of using his faded fame to champion causes. I mean, have you heard his last fiourteen solo albums?! Blech!

[Beaverhausen]

33. I hear his new one is really good.

But I haven't heard it yet. My boyfriend is seeing him in concert tomorrow night.

I say RIGHT ON, PAUL!!! :yourock:

[Ishoutandscream2]

41. Saw him last Sunday in Dallas. Was 20 yards from him

He's awesome! No one has a better stage presence. He seems 33 instead of 63.

[karynnj]

46. The last 3 have been excellent

and his concert was wonderful.

[planetc]

48. the 17 before the last 3 have been excellent too...

Some were less accessible than others.

If you like music, Paul McCartney has written something you will like, probably a great deal. If you don't like music, you're well suited to being a rock critic.

[melody]

58. Amen

Paul is very ambitious and wide-ranging in what he does. He fails a lot, but then he tries a lot. It would be much easier to narrow one's reach to "acceptable" and always hit the target.

"Flaming Pie" was the best Beatles solo work ever, bar none, period, imho.

[melody]

57. Have YOU heard them?

"Flaming Pie" was fabulous. In fact, his last four have been terrific.

I'm so sick of people remembering Wings and a couple of crap albums and not listening to Paul's recent stuff. It's brilliant.

I have a good friend (an entertainment writer) who once hated Paul, thinking he was a hack. I asked her to listen to "Flaming Pie". She did and is now a huge fan of his.

[RandomKoolzip]

80. Yes I have.

Over-produced and under-melodic. Under-rocking as well. He hasn't put out a decent single since 1980 ("Coming Up"), let alone a full-length album.

JMO, YMMV.

[melody]

89. Among the best melodies he's written

"Over-produced" is in the eye of the beholder, but "Calico Skies" is Paul on guitar with a mike. lol I think "Somedays", "Calico Skies and "Little Willow" melodically equal anything the Beatles did. I prefer his ballads to his rock numbers, although "Run Devil Run" was filled with them. Still, I think "Flaming Pie" was wall-to-wall first-class stuff -- the best Beatles solo work by far.

"Comin' Up" - yeah, that was one of the ones John liked. :shrug:

And of course all JMHO YMMV

[CountAllVotes]

35. Good on ya Paul!

:kick:

[femrap]

37. I am glad he is bringing attention to what the Chinese

are doing to animals.

Hey all DUers....do you check the tags and labels of everything you buy? I do. It's an easy thing to do...if you have kids, it is a great way to teach geography.

I have bought NOTHING made in China since 1989....except for fireplace lighters and electric fans (they are made NO WHERE ELSE.)

Put your money where your heart is.....STOP BUYING CRAP THAT IS MADE IN CHINA. They already own us....don't make it any worse. Their greed is as bad, if not worse, than our Corporate greed.

[barb162]

88. I am so with you on this!

[progressoid]

38. Umm, but who in China can afford a $150 ticket to his concert anyway?

Gotta make a lot of happy meal toys to afford that.

:hide:



Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Bridget Burke]

84. The ones who run the companies.

The higher-ups are doing quite well. Just like in the USA!

[Number9Dream]

43. Paul speaks out on many issues, this is just one...

From landmines to animals... see previous posts.
Paul McCartney could just have just ignored the problem, but has now called attention to it. I applaud Paul.

[the other one]

44. Thanks Paul. You Never Give Me Your Money

You never give me your money
You only give me your funny paper
and in the middle of negotiations
you break down

I never give you my number
I only give you my situation
and in the middle of investigation
I break down

Out of college, money spent
See no future, pay no rent
All the money's gone, nowhere to go
Any jobber got the sack
Monday morning, turning back
Yellow lorry slow, nowhere to go
But oh, that magic feeling, nowhere to go
Oh, that magic feeling
Nowhere to go

One sweet dream
Pick up the bags and get in the limousine
Soon we'll be away from here
Step on the gas and wipe that tear away
One sweet dream came true today
Came true today
Came true today (yes it did)

One two three four five six seven,
All good children go to Heaven

[Gelliebeans]

45. Good for you Sir Paul ! n/t

[Catchawave]

51. *WARNING; GRAPHIC" link

It's just inhumane: Please be advised that clicking on this link may be disturbing .... as it should be!

http://www.heathermills.org/dogcatfur.php

[roguevalley]

52. go, paul. I hate fur. except on the original owners.

[redacted]

53. GO PAUL & HEATHER!

[ernstbass]

60. Good work Mr McCartney

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

67. Now we're talkin'!* the cool DU'ers R drowning out those ANTI animal posts

Thank God!!
I was beginning to wonder earlier on this thread if I was at the freeperville site!!

RIGHT ON PEOPLE!!
Way Ta GO!!
Support Paul!
Support the rights of every being on this Planet!
Now THAT'S PROGRESSIVE in it's truest sense!!!

Yes!

[Coventina]

77. There is nothing "progressive" about fur.

Anyone who wears fur in this day and age is appealing to a type of vanity that was on its way out 50 years ago.

There is just no excuse for it. None.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

78. TOTALLY agree !+there's no need for a lot of the"old" ways humans cling to

All because of habit, addiction, peer pressure, and lack of options offered.

But things are a changing!

[imported_dem]

76. Is he going to refuse to perform in the US and the UK

Since they slaughter innocent Iraqis ?

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

79. bet he wouldn't play here if we bred Iraqis in 2X2 cages only to skin them

and eat their eyeballs like sushi

[pitohui]

85. but torturing the iraqis is ok as long as we don't wear them as fur

got it now

c'mon, dude's a hypocrite, he's not going to stop performing in usa because the stupid fans will still pay big $$$ to see a dinosaur perform instead of someone young and fresh

who gives a crap abt macca in china anyway

[ForrestGump]

90. I'll take that dinosaur above the young and fresh, any day

Who cares if he's bene around? I mean, unless 'ageism' is part of it. He's great on stage. Increasingly, the 'young and fresh' are lacking what it takes to be that good as a live performer.

And calling him a hypocrite is absurd...if he refused to play in nations that treat people badly, he'd play nowhere. Neither would anyone else of good conscience.

[shockra]

92. Mmmm...yes.

Why would you need to see someone who's influenced generations of music when you could see Ashley Simpson or Britney Spears?

[barb162]

86. Brutality on this level is so inexcuable. Inhumane beyond belief

Boycott their goods.

[Omaha Steve]

91. Here is their petition 60,000 plus so far

http://www.heathermillsmccartney.com/petition.php



L-R: Rick Swain (Humane Society International), Heather Mills McCartney, Rick Wakeman. European Parliament, Brussels, March 1st 2005

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

95. done !!--

unbelievable that this goes on---puppies and cats are not for us to make coats and garments out of.


I would personally like to figure out some way top humanize those callous cruel souls who actually commit these attrocities-

-any ideas?

[Nihil]

96. Keep it going!

Good to see Rick (Wakeman) there too!

[cire4]

94. Gee...I wonder what country buys all that fur

If we're going to boycott China because they facilitate the slaughter of animals, then we better be prepared to boycott the United States, Britain, France, and every other rich Western country that also facilitates the slaughter of animals by providing precious markets and deep-pocketed customers for all of those fur traders.

Bottom line: If people don't buy it, they won't produce it. The Chinese government has trouble getting everybody in the country fed. If anybody thinks that they are going to start devoting time, resources, and money to enforcing animal rights then they better stop fooling themselves and focus on campaigning on the home front.

From the Cuban trade embargo to Bill O'Reilly's xenophobic anti-France crusade, boycotting entire countries accomplishes nothing constructive...