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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 08:12 PM
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9/11 Commission: "Another Attack Will Occur"

http://1010wins.com/topstories/local_story_338192421.html

9/11 Commission: "Another Attack Will Occur"

(1010 WINS) (WASHINGTON) The U.S. is at great risk for more terrorist attacks because Congress and the White House have failed to enact several strong security measures, members of the former Sept. 11 commission said Sunday.

"It's not a priority for the government right now," said the former chairman, Thomas Kean, ahead of the group's release of a report Monday assessing how well its recommendations have been followed.

"More than four years after 9/11 ... people are not paying attention," the former Republican governor of New Jersey said. "God help us if we have another attack."

Added Lee Hamilton, the former Democratic vice chairman of the commission: "We believe that another attack will occur. It's not a question of if. We are not as well-prepared as we should be."


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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 08:16 PM
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1. But, they added, closer to the next election
OK, I made that part up.
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 08:18 PM
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2. ...under threat of attack if Republican approval numbers do not
improve...
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 08:19 PM
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3. You gotta ask yourself....WHERE?
Will they bother NYC again, or will they choose another target? Will it be a symbolic target, like a famous monument, or will it be a soft, easy target, like say, somewhere in Vegas or Atlantic City, the vice cities? Or will they get unIslamic, and go for women and children for greatest terra effect?

Boston is probably safe, hell, half the Bin Ladin's have property in that city....
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 08:51 PM
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8. well, if we knew the flight numbers
and the seat numbers, we may have done something, you know...
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 09:09 PM
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9. It could be something completely different next time
First time at the WTC it was a truck bomb, second time the airplanes...and second time was the charm for them.

I don't think they will repeat either the target or the level of damage. The idea is to--BOOOOOOGABOOOOO--make everyone VERY AFRAID!

DC, maybe??
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 02:52 AM
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23. That was a joke... but bombing DC would be an
improvement, I think most people believe.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 08:25 PM
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4. The attacks will continue until Republican poll numbers improve.
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InaneAnanity Donating Member (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 08:29 PM
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5. It'll definitely...
be in a blue state. Bushy wouldn't want to hurt his homeboys.
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jumptheshadow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:34 PM
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35. It will be in a blue state...
because the blue states tend to house the media centers, which the terrorists thrive on, and because they are the thriving economic and creative centers. (We are also send far more taxes to the federal government than we receive back in services or get back in proportional representation in the presidential election.)
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 08:44 PM
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6. It will happen because they will let it happen, again.
Fuckers. :grr:
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 02:28 PM
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39. Prediction: It will happen when Bush's numbers drop below 30%
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 03:27 PM
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42. It will happen as long as
these idiots keep up the oil dependency, greed and theft.
This is what created "terrorism" in the first place.:(
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 08:51 PM
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7. Of course more attacks will occur
They happened before, and they'll happen after.

Their likelihood, however, is far more dependent on our policies at home and abroud around war, nationalism, and exploitation of people than it is on whether or not we are hiding behind big Homeland Security walls.

McVey did as much to show us we were vulnerable as anything Osama did...the only difference...McVey didn't give us an excuse to invade and occupy an oil rich country.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 02:22 PM
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38. One item on McVeigh.
Stephen Jones, MvVeigh's defense attorney noted there appeared to be some vague Middle East involvement possibly Saudi intelligence. Using Bush (non) logic Clinton should have Saudi Arabia for McVeigh's bombing.

Wouldn't work, Iraq has much better oil reserves than Saudi Arabia. Besides if the United States invaded Saudi Arabia who would hold George's hand?
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 09:11 PM
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10. They wish. They will do everything in their power to bring it about.
One of the members of the 9-11 commission...the fake investigatory committee is a PNACer, no? The group who was behind 9-11?
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Lyle Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 02:03 PM
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37. Right....
Another attack will occur - if and only if the neocons/PNAC find it useful to have one again. They engineered the last one - and it initially served them well. They will engineer another one if the cost/benefit analysis shows it is beneficial to have one.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 09:30 PM
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12. careful big brother is watching :-)
peace.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 09:52 PM
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13. Yes, I know. But I'm too far away to do any painting in D.C.
I think those Marines who died are speaking through me or something. x(
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 10:14 PM
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14. nuh-uh-uhhhh

' we're fighting them over THERE so we don't have to fight them over HERE "

so is Harriet going to make sure * reads and UNDERSTANDS all of his PDBs????

--- must make sure * has another pet goat book to read.

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 02:49 AM
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15. U.S. not 'well-prepared' for terrorism (Bush and Congress Blamed)
Edited on Sun Dec-04-05 10:40 PM by onehandle
9/11 panel to issue report critical of federal security response

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The former chairman and vice-chairman of the 9/11 commission warned Sunday that the nation is ill-prepared for another terrorist attack.

The bipartisan panel plans to issue a report Monday assessing the federal government's response to the recommendations it made last year.

The group was created by Congress in 2002 to investigate aspects of the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001. It released its final report with a slew of recommendations in a nearly 570-page book in July 2004.

Tom Kean, the Republican chairman of the committee, told NBC's "Meet the Press" that enacting the changes is "not a priority for the government right now.

"A lot of the things we need to do really to prevent another 9/11 just simply aren't being done by the president or by the Congress."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/12/04/911.commission/index.html
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 02:49 AM
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16. BUT!!!! They can
concern themselves with violent video games.
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Scooter24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 02:49 AM
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21. And let's not forget
gay marriage.
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Hyernel Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 02:49 AM
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17. So why hasn't another attack occured?
You'd think the terrorists would want to, wouldn't you? And they could do it, if they wanted to...

Maybe the tin-foil hatted conspiracy about Bushco controlling the reins of these terrorists... for their own purposes...isn't so far off.

If MIHOP is a possibility, than wouldn't the absence of more attacks, even when it'd be so easy, reinforces the original MIHOP?

Sadly, this is only something that will be revealed by historians in 50-100 years.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 02:49 AM
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20. You bring up a very good point...
My husband and I were discussing this very point--last night.

I said that it was truly amazing that we hadn't had another terrorist attack. I certainly don't want another attack. I'm not wishing for one.

However, if you look at the facts which have been presented to us...Al Queda and Osama want to kill us. It would take nothing for them to enter our country through open borders. We live in a free society, they could easily do a timed, multi-pronged suicide bombing mission and take out this country's economy in one afternoon.

Why hasn't it happened? I told my husband that I thank our nation's lucky stars that it hasn't happened--and that I hope it never does--but what IS stopping it from happening?

It really makes you wonder if this boogey man--and his motivations--really do exist. If these people are so hell bent on killing us--where are they?

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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 06:56 AM
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27. It's "literally" the Sword of Damocles.....

the more I read the clearer it seems to become. How can they have so much wealth and power, and yet fear that it may suddenly be taken away? Are we being forced to solve problems in the Middle East?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damocles

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SittingBull Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 04:04 PM
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44. First there was no need
for another attack, their plan works.

Now there is only a small change for another attack, because too many people don't believe one single word of their lies.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 02:49 AM
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18. Not prepared for another terrorist attack?
So what? I DO NOT CARE! I am an American. I am free. I cannot and will not live my life fretting because some lunatic might kill me. That is simply part of the price of my freedom, and if I have to pay that price I shall be proud to do so.

There is little security in freedom. In fact, there is little security at all. A determined loony will find a way to kill people no matter how draconian the laws. And all that freedom will have been sacrificed for nothing.

There are some common sense things that might be done in the name of security - checking luggage for bombs, for instance - but the majority of this stuff isn't worthy of Americans.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 02:49 AM
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19. Isn't protecting us from terrorism the only category bush has
any positive numbers.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 06:07 PM
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46. Yup.
Were only it October of 2004.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 06:50 PM
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47. And I blame that on the quizling right wing media.
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 02:49 AM
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22. National Security....last thing on the * menu....
probably has someone on the job as good as "Brownie.":sarcasm:
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 07:09 AM
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30. yet just over a year ago Cheney was going around campaigning
that an attack would be eminent - IF John Kerry was elected - but NOT if he er Bush was reelected.

THen a month or so after being reelected changed his rhetoric to an attack wasn't a matter of IF but WHEN (and used other rhetoric, very briefly, that sounded alot like preparing for a federal takeover in the name of security WHEN it happened, and to not prepare for it would be a grave mistake. then came Schaivo and the erosion of bushco's support - and he hasn't uttered anything sounding like this again.)
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 03:22 PM
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41. If the Democrats don't capitalize on this to the highest degree, in unison
I'll freaking explode. ;)
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 10:58 AM
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53. absolutely RIGHT, if Dems can't agree on anything else, nat'l security
should be what binds us together to defeat the Repuke administration and Congress. But we still have to unify over an Iraq policy b/c we can't pay for Iraq War and nat'l security, too, not to mention better schools, environmental protection, health care, etc.
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NeoConsSuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 05:02 AM
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24. I was watching CSpan last night..
about Decency in Media. And watching the show, I'm convinced the greatest threat to our American way of life is Janet Jackson's breasts. :sarcasm:
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 07:22 AM
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32. ......and only one tit had the floor, ...what would have happened
if two tits had the floor? That's the real question.

I hope the FBI didn't lose the paper work or didn't decide to close the Jackson tit case.
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StrafingMoose Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 06:33 AM
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25. Right, preparing the PR campaign for...

a "failure" and "lack of imagination" excuse once it happens. Great. :eyes:



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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 06:41 AM
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26. The BushCo NeoCons have their hands full with the War on Christmas
So cut them some slack. Secular Humanists are storming the Battlements singing Happy Holidays and erecting Holiday Trees.

In the face of this onslaught, the BushCo NeoCons have their EXCUSE -- not time or resources to protect the nation.

So shut up, sit down, and suck your Prozac candy cane.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 06:59 AM
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28. Well maybe if Kean and his 9-11 Whitewash Commission
had done a real investigation we wouldn't have to worry so much about another attack?

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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 04:10 PM
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45. That's the real issue.
Kean and Hamilton were chosen by Cheney-Bush. Kean because of his compromised relationship with bin Mahfouz and Hamilton because he's a reliable whitewasher for the Bush family (see his work on BCCI).

If another attack occurs, they can stand with Cheney-Bush. They never really investigated 9/11....they turned it into a "what can we do to protect ourselkves in the future"? The future is now. The same criminals who let 9/11 happen are still controling our government, no small thanks to the Kean/Hamilton puppets and their whitewash. When the next attack occurs, it will be because the 9/11 commission didn't have the stomach to do a real investigation into the events leading up to and during 9/11.

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strizi64 Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 07:00 AM
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29. another reason for Impeachment n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 07:19 AM
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31. This misAdministation has been one long assault
on the American people. bin Laden couldn't do as much damage if he tried the whole rest of his life. Nice try, spin guys.
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dapper Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 08:09 AM
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33. Bushes Ratings Low?
When I read the article yesterday, that's all I could think of.

I'm so afraid...

Dap
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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:19 PM
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34. But, but, but...
Cheney said that if * was reselected that they would call off...I mean, prevent any further attacks!
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 02:03 PM
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36. Remove Bush, and it won't occur.
At this point, they are considered suspects. I don't want suspects in office. I know- innocent until proven guilty. But we have fingerprints, and closed circuit video with their faces.

The terrorists will continue until Bush goes.

And the same for insurgents. Leave Iraq, and the insurgents will fade into the distance.
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casual hex Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 09:17 PM
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48. Absolutely true
Why hasn't there been another "terrorist" attack in the US since 9/11? Well, the actions of the Bush cabal over the last 5 years have opened a lot of peoples eyes.

In publications both off and close to the mainstream, people are openly speculating that Bush/Cheney would orchestrate an attack to further solidify their grasp on the strings of power and because it is considered a priori true that the country would "rally around" them in the aftermath of such an attack.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 11:28 PM
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49. Yes. It's sad, but maybe true.
Have a warm welcome.
Glad you're here.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 03:20 PM
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40. Aren't the White House and Congress controlled by Republicans who are
thought to be keeping merika safer? Hmmm, puzzling.

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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 01:39 PM
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57. Reaches 200 million people in 90 countries and 71 languages
Foggy Bottom....

"How do we get rid of them?" Robertson said of State officials meddling
with his business interests. "Maybe we need a very small
nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up."

http://www.commondreams.org/scriptfiles/views03/1019-04.htm
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 03:54 PM
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43. 600 lbs. of weapons grade Plutonium have come up missing
from Los Alamos.That's enough to make dozens of nuclear bombs the columnist wrote. my prediction is a few cities will soon (before Nov.06')be attacked. Hell, the GOP would like to keep their power even at the expense of thousands of dead Americans. I put nothing past this Bush Crime Family. The Sept.11 2001 attacks were a well
planned cold calculated move by the Family.Those Neocons can no longer afford a Party change in DC.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 01:06 AM
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50. And RW pundits call for blowing up San Francisco.
Detroit is strangely mentioned by RW pundits also.

New York because the world aspires to NY, and living in their own country, they do not realize how far apart and how separate NY is from DC. DC seems like suburbia to the world.

If it is nuclear, they would warn that it will explode and let the press cover the evacuation. I'm guessing this because I can't think of anything else that would give them press coverage with a somewhat meaningful target.
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 12:55 PM
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56. Talk host's towering rant: S.F. not worth saving
Joe Garofoli, Chronicle Staff Writer

Friday, November 11, 2005


Conservative talk-show host Bill O'Reilly is ready to scratch
San Francisco off the map of the United States. Gone. Coit
Tower? Terrorists can blow it up, and the rest of the country
shouldn't care.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/11/11/MNGFMFMNV41.DTL

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/11/11/MNGFMFMNV41.DTL&type=printable

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1918058#1918090
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 12:11 PM
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55. Plutonium could be missing from lab
LOS ALAMOS
Plutonium could be missing from lab
600-plus pounds unaccounted for, activist group says

Keay Davidson, Chronicle Science Writer

Wednesday, November 30, 2005


It was stolen or otherwise shipped off site for unknown reasons.

The report concludes that at least 661 pounds of plutonium generated
at the lab over the last half-century is not accounted for. The atomic
bomb that was dropped on Nagasaki, Japan, in 1945 contained about
13 pounds of plutonium.

"The security implications . . . are extremely serious, since less than
2 percent of the lowest unaccounted-for plutonium is enough to make one
nuclear bomb," the report said.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/11/30/BAGGQFVT7J1.DTL

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/11/30/BAGGQFVT7J1.DTL&type=printable
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Hyernel Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 01:22 AM
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51. Only when Cheney orders it.
It worked so well in service to the neocon agenda before..they WILL do it again.
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 10:52 AM
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52. Victims' family members were outraged by The News' findings.
No Accountability....Carpetbaggers

But another prominent relative of a Sept. 11 victim, Kristen
Breitweiser, said Monday that the panel undercut its credibility by
failing to publicly identify those within the government responsible for
mistakes before the attacks.

"Part of the problem is that the commission didn't hold anyone
accountable," said Breitweiser, whose husband, Ronald, was killed at
the World Trade Center. "When you don't name names, people don't
tend to take you seriously."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0512060227dec06,1,6316678.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed

"We had to fill out form after form after form for any help we received," said Lorie
Van Auken, a 9/11 widow and a leader of the Sept. 11 Advocates. "I had to submit
my husband's DNA three times. His hairbrush, his underwear. They made me do
that and here they are handing out money to big businesses, and corrupt people,
without checking and without any oversight."

Added Anthony Gardner, executive director of World Trade Center United Family
Group, "We really feel it imperative that Congress intercede because there's been
no accountability."

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/371776p-316268c.html
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 11:09 AM
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54. Oh look double doses of fear this morning
Of course it's so our inept leader can get his ratings up because we need him to "protect" us.

But this morning I see it's the Islams they are focusing on.

911 commission expects another attack and Rumsfield says iraq will turn into an islamic-super-state if we leave. (only a problem if you hate islam)

Guess tomorrow it's going to be gays turn again, by friday I'm sure it will be immigrants again...

I don't remember Clinton having nazi fear propaganda habits. Wouldn't it be nice to get back to that. I just don't see it with our republican trigger happy hate crime promoters.
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