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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:10 PM
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BBC: US blocks ICRC access to suspects
The US has admitted for the first time that it has not given the Red Cross access to all detainees in its custody.

The state department's top legal adviser, John Bellinger, made the admission but gave no details about where such prisoners were held.

Correspondents say the revelation is only likely to increase suspicion that the CIA has been operating secret prisons out of international oversight.

The ICRC wants access to all foreign terror suspects held by the US "in undisclosed locations".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4512192.stm
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:13 PM
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1. Another day, another story about the US treatment of detainees ...
How long before the rest of the world decides to get together and kick our ass?! :-( :scared:


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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:28 PM
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2. Why should they?
We're doing a great job all by ourselves.

All they have to do is sit back and :popcorn: while we :hurts:

The only question is how long before :freak: give up on :dunce:

:evilgrin:
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:33 PM
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3. LOL!
:rofl:

Very nice!
:toast:

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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:47 PM
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4. Just like FEMA did to the Red Cross in New Orleans
Denied Red Cross access to Orleans Parish and to the Convention Center and the Super Dome and the 9th Ward.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 09:08 PM
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5. Who ARE these secret 'suspects,' whom George Bush, Dick Cheney,
Edited on Thu Dec-08-05 09:08 PM by Peace Patriot
Donald Rumsfeld and Condoleeza Rice are spiriting away to "undisclosed locations" and are waterboarding, setting dogs upon, electrifying, piling into pyramids of naked bodies, starving, beating up and probably killing?

Why can't we know their names? Isn't that a human right, to have a name on your grave?

What are they hiding? WHO DO THEY HAVE IN CUSTODY IN SECRET TORTURE CHAMBERS?

And I'll tell you, I suspect the worst--that the people they are doing this to have nothing to do with "terrorism" or keeping us or anybody else safe from harm. I suspect these may be enemies of Cheney arms dealing, or enemies of Chevron or other corporations and war profiteers, or people with information on Bush Cartel crimes, or who could tell us more about 9/11, etc., etc. Political or personal prisoners, potential whistleblowers, and others of interest to this criminal syndicate, not "terrorists."
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:50 AM
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6. US blocks ICRC access to suspects
9 December 2005

The US has admitted for the first time that it has not given the Red Cross access to all detainees in its custody.

The state department's top legal adviser, John Bellinger, made the admission but gave no details about where such prisoners were held.

Correspondents say the revelation is only likely to increase suspicion that the CIA has been operating secret prisons out of international oversight.

The issue has dogged Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's tour to Europe.

Mr Bellinger made the admission in Geneva.

He stated that the group International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) had access to "absolutely everybody" at the prison camp in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, which holds suspects detained during the US war on terror.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4512192.stm

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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:50 AM
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7. "Let the cover up proceed." - George AWOL Bush
"Oh yeah, and catapult a shitload of propaganda at the same time. As usual." -GWB
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:50 AM
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8. That's not suspicious behavior at all! No torture, my ass!
How stupid do these people think we are? Obviously stupid enough to not overthrow the government....
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:50 AM
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9. I wonder if folk here don't know what the ICRC means...
Edited on Fri Dec-09-05 02:14 AM by Up2Late
...I can't believe how few people here are out raged about this.

Or maybe everyones just burned out on all the bad news, I know I am.



Here's a picture I took with my Palm Zire71 when I was on my way to visit the ICRC in Switzerland last year. If you look closely, that is a Giant Chair with only 3 legs. The far leg is missing, as if blown off by a Land-mine.
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Charlie Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:50 AM
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10. State Dept Official: ICRC Denied Access to Suspects
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4512192.stm

The US has admitted for the first time that it has not given the Red Cross access to all detainees in its custody.

The state department's top legal adviser, John Bellinger, made the admission but gave no details about where such prisoners were held.

Correspondents say the revelation is only likely to increase suspicion that the CIA has been operating secret prisons out of international oversight.

Mr Bellinger made the admission in Geneva.

He stated that the group International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) had access to "absolutely everybody" at the prison camp in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, which holds suspects detained during the US war on terror.

When asked by journalists if the organisation had access to everybody held in similar circumstances elsewhere, he said: "No". He declined to explain further.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:50 AM
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11. So when does the "he was misunderstood" spin start? eom
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 07:27 AM
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12. dupe
Edited on Fri Dec-09-05 07:37 AM by bigtree
no torture, huh?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 07:27 AM
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13. Bush's gulag would not have been possible without the complicity
of Democrats in Congress, the same Democrats that support extension of the PATRIOT Act.

Thank G-d for real Democrats like Russ Feingold!
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 07:27 AM
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14. Why does the bu$h regime think it is above international law?
Seriously, what make these thugs think the world will stand by indefinitely and allow them to disregard human rights and laws agreed to by all nations.

Someone must stop these animals and if we don't from within, someone will from outside this country.
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soda Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 09:47 AM
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15. US Citizens disappeared?
how many US citizens are among these ¨disappeared¨persons, whose next? internet posters?
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