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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 12:23 PM
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Newsweek: The Other Big Brother
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10965509/site/newsweek

Jan. 30, 2006 issue - The demonstration seemed harmless enough. Late on a June afternoon in 2004, a motley group of about 10 peace activists showed up outside the Houston headquarters of Halliburton, the giant military contractor once headed by Vice President Dick Cheney. They were there to protest the corporation's supposed "war profiteering." The demonstrators wore papier-mache masks and handed out free peanut-butter-and-jelly sandwiches to Halliburton employees as they left work. The idea, according to organizer Scott Parkin, was to call attention to allegations that the company was overcharging on a food contract for troops in Iraq. "It was tongue-in-street political theater," Parkin says.

But that's not how the Pentagon saw it. To U.S. Army analysts at the top-secret Counterintelligence Field Activity (CIFA), the peanut-butter protest was regarded as a potential threat to national security. Created three years ago by the Defense Department, CIFA's role is "force protection"—tracking threats and terrorist plots against military installations and personnel inside the United States. In May 2003, Paul Wolfowitz, then deputy Defense secretary, authorized a fact-gathering operation code-named TALON—short for Threat and Local Observation Notice—that would collect "raw information" about "suspicious incidents." The data would be fed to CIFA to help the Pentagon's "terrorism threat warning process," according to an internal Pentagon memo.

A Defense document shows that Army analysts wrote a report on the Halliburton protest and stored it in CIFA's database. It's not clear why the Pentagon considered the protest worthy of attention—although organizer Parkin had previously been arrested while demonstrating at ExxonMobil headquarters (the charges were dropped). But there are now questions about whether CIFA exceeded its authority and conducted unauthorized spying on innocent people and organizations. A Pentagon memo obtained by NEWSWEEK shows that the deputy Defense secretary now acknowledges that some TALON reports may have contained information on U.S. citizens and groups that never should have been retained. The number of reports with names of U.S. persons could be in the thousands, says a senior Pentagon official who asked not be named because of the sensitivity of the subject.

CIFA's activities are the latest in a series of disclosures about secret government programs that spy on Americans in the name of national security. In December, the ACLU obtained documents showing the FBI had investigated several activist groups, including People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals and Greenpeace, supposedly in an effort to discover possible ecoterror connections. At the same time, the White House has spent weeks in damage-control mode, defending the controversial program that allowed the National Security Agency to monitor the telephone conversations of U.S. persons suspected of terror links, without obtaining warrants.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 12:28 PM
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1. Almost laughable, but not
Cheney says the domestic spying is absolutely imp to the war on terror - and it turns out that resources ($ and human) are wasted on watching those protesting fraud on taxpayers at the hand of Cheney's old company in which he still has vast $ tied up in terms of stock options. Wtf?

When will the press tie these stories of domestic spying to the NSA story - demonstrating that the whole "we only spy when there is a suspected al qeada/terrorist connection" line is BS; when will the press tie these stories of domestic spying to the published reports of how little has been done to provide security against terrorist attacks (eg security of ports; security of nuclear installations, etc.) Tie those together and the public will start wondering why peace activists, protesting fraudulent spending of taxdollars by Halliburton, is a higher priority to this administration than a terrorist strike on a nuclear facility that could result in a disaster that makes Katrina/Rita look minor?
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 01:06 PM
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6. You fail to understand something...
To the Pentagon, spying on these groups IS providing security against terrorist attacks.

Think about it. It's how they see it.

Easily argued that they see it wrongly, of course... but my point remains.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 02:37 PM
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7. almost impossible to see how
a protest over fraud per food for servicemen, symbolized by handing out peanut butter sandwiches, can be construed as providing security against terrorist attacks.
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Baconfoot Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 03:33 PM
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10. They really believe it. If you ask them they will tell you that.
What's more, they don't see anything strange or unusual or "almost impossible to see" about it either. Quite the opposite.
To them, it's a mark of being intelligent and educated that you would agree with them about things like this PB&J protest.
Don't believe me? My recommendation is to find someone who actually works for the government in some homeland security related capacity and ask them what they and their coworkers think.
Scary. Mother. Hubbards.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 03:36 PM
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11. chilling
Edited on Sun Jan-22-06 03:37 PM by salin
almost brownshirt-think like... where all critical thought ends and protecting the 'homeland' regardless emboldens any action as they are all "they". shudder.

on edit - I am one who doesn't make comparisons ala 'brownshirts' often or easily - just your description reminded me of the mindset that allowed such insanity to occur in the last century.
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 12:31 PM
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2. The culture of secrecy, combined with the culture of political
payback - what a dangerous combination.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 12:35 PM
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3. yep
Republicans will start complaining when one of our presidents uses this cointel op to harass an anti-abortion rally.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 12:48 PM
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4. a dem would never have gotten this far
the repubes would be all over them from the onset, IMO. Exactly why the dems allowed this criminal admin to go this far is really beyond me.



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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 12:52 PM
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5. Lap Dog DINOs like Limpmann (d) Conn. don't want to embarrass
THE CHIMPANZEE

They are RePuke Lite when it comes to Torture and Illegal spying, wiretaps etc

Hell Limpmann even wants them to continue to kill Iraqis
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 03:30 PM
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9. How many of them actually knew about this?
?
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 02:47 PM
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8. Vote it up.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 06:03 PM
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12. 10 people armed with peanut butter sandwiches.
What can you really say?
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megatherium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 06:29 PM
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13. Those peanut butter sandwiches could have contained aflatoxin.
Especially if they bought pre-made bottled peanut butter, which gets made from moldy less-than-cosmetic peanuts that don't get put into cans of roasted peanuts.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 09:59 PM
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17. You're kidding.
That's disgusting. What about "natural" peanut butter that has nothing added, just pulverized peanuts?
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megatherium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 07:46 AM
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18. Yes I'm kidding. But I've heard people suggest that it's best to grind
your own peanut butter, if you want the best quality.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 12:58 PM
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19. I don't need the "best" quality, but I would
certainly like to have peanut butter without moldy peanuts.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 06:34 PM
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14. What is this?
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 08:53 PM
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15. this administration has made it very very clear that ANY dissent is
considered a THREAT and tantamount to criminality, bush was being honest (for a change) when he said 'either you're with us or you're against us'. this is a CORNERSTONE of their philosophy, such as it is. they are very very scared of dissent in all of its forms, in particular the grassroots stuff that is made possible by the internet and how bloggers have been uncovering their wrongdoings nearly as fast as they occur. and they mean to do something about it. their recent attack on google is just the start.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 09:18 PM
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16. ..."fact-gathering operation code-named TALON..."
Now we know where Guckert/Gannon got the name for his "news organization"..?
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