(Congressman Maurice) Hinchey says Bush didn’t want to capture Bin Laden

[sabra]

http://www.midhudsonnews.com/News/BinLaden_Hinchey-06Feb06.htm

Hinchey says Bush didn’t want to capture Bin Laden

When the US didn’t capture Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan, it wasn’t by mistake, Congressman Maurice Hinchey of Hurley theorized.

Instead, Hinchey said the Administration had a motive for not capturing him. “Why did we do that? The only logical answer that comes to mind is they didn’t want to capture Bin Laden because if they captured Bin Laden and wiped out the Taliban, which they could have done at that moment, there would have been no justification for going to war in Iraq, and they wanted to use that as a justification for attacking Iraq,” he said.

[hippiechick]

1. um, duh ?

Sounds like the good Congressman finally stumbled across DU and had his eyes opened - some 5 years late.

:freak:

[sabra]

2. Hinchey is one of the good ones, and has been a vocal critic

for ahwile now..

[hippiechick]

31. Jebus, people, LIGHTEN UP!

:wtf:

[FredMertz]

3. Hey! Mo is a good man.

And he's my congressman. Your congressperson says what?

[martymar64]

20. For Corn Sakes!

Welcome . . . Love the name!

[FredMertz]

29. Thank-you!

And thanks for the welcome.

[Jackpine Radical]

42. My Senator's Russ Feingold & Congressman"s David Obey.

You just can't beat that pair.

"In the Senate, only one senator, Wisconsin’s Russ Feingold, voted against the PATRIOT Act.

In the House, dissenter David Obey of Wisconsin said bitterly, “Why should we care? It’s only the Constitution.”"

[SammyBlue]

49. My congressman says "I'm retiring."

My soon to be Congressman (if people like me who work for him have anything to do with it) says "I fought in Gulf War 1 in the Air Force as a fighter pilot! And Iraq is, was and will be a mistake. I know! My son was in this war until he had a relapse of Leukemia."

See. . .here he is: Lt. Col Jeff Latas:


And, look Chimpy. . .he's actually earned wearing this uniform, unlike you on the USS Abraham Lincoln:


See, that's what a retired Lt. Col in the Air Force looks like. This is what a fake AWOL Chimp looks like.


And this is what he looks like playing dress up!


Go, Maurice!!! I lived in Ben Gilman's district. I wished I lived in yours. If I didn't move, I would be living in yours (Bethel, NY, in Sullivan County).

[tomg]

53. Hi Fred. Welcome to DU. I'm

just down the road from you in the People's Republic of Rosendale. Seems like a lot of people on the board aren't very familar with Mo. Too bad. He's great.

[FredMertz]

58. Thanks

for the welcome. Isn't Rosendale (and Tillson) great? BTW I read yesterday that Hinchey was one of only three representatives to sign Conyers letter asking Gonzales to appoint a special prosecutor to look into how the administration went to war in Iraq.

[Trevelyan]

62. Hinchey is wonderful -- Go to his site for more support of DU stuff

and PLEASE SIGN Congressman Conyers letter/petition supporting his 3 Impeachment Inquiry resolution:

http://www.johnconyers.com/ -- Conyer's Action Item

[nerdbunnie]

54. Mo's mine too!

I have been extremely pleased to have this man in office since before I've been able to vote!

[wordpix]

11. hey, lay off one of the best Congressmen we have--go to his website

you might learn how good he is

[coffeenap]

21. I went--thank you for introducing me to a good person! nt

[krkaufman]

26. Sounds *more* like...

... someone in the press finally decided to print such a comment, rather than sweeping all dissent -- and rationality -- under the rug.

[drduffy]

35. yeh....doh... you got it.

comgressmen/women for the - most - part are duhhlards.


but edited to acknowledge that some.... some... may not be....

and it does take guts to speak out

[UpInArms]

4. Ding! Ding! Ding!

Give that man a kewpie doll!

[deminks]

5. Smirky needs OBL.

Not only Iraq, but all of his foreign policy and domestic policy depend on OBL being alive, and able to tape messages at a moments notice. I am not kidding. If not OBL, then the thousand #2's and #3's and I even hear we caught a #4 this week. Smirky needs a boogey man to keep us all from going in the closet.

[AlinPA]

34. Smirky needs terrorist attacks too, to maintain his "leadership role"

[LiberalFighter]

50. Who's to say OBL isn't dead and admin is faking his messages?

[Strelnikov_]

6. Goldstein Lives, The Fight Must Go On!!!

Took him this long to figure it out?

[Double T]

7. Hopefully 'enlightenment' is contagious

[SillyGoose]

8. Wow! Bravo for him for saying that! We need more truth-tellers

like him.

:applause:

[leQ]

9. boy talk about a short news story

for such a great quote, you'd think there would be more in that report than the 4 or 5 paragraphs the reporter wrote.

[kurth]

10. Bush gets on his knees and thanks God for Osama every night

when he's not drunk.

[Arkansas Granny]

12. Since Bush's greatest weapon to use in the War on Terror

is fear, he couldn't allow the most powerful part of his arsenal, at that time, to be neutralized. If Bin Laden was taken out he couldn't have used the link to Saddam any longer for justification of the invasion of Iraq. He really needs Bin Laden to keep advancing his War of Fear against the American people.

[Auntie Bush]

19. I personally think bushit worked out a deal with OBL to let him escape if

he would help bush* keep the American people scared by sending out threating videos. This would help increase bush's* poll numbers and help him incite an attack on Iraq. Then Bush could get rid of Saddam, OBL's secular enemy and also get out of Afghanistan. A good deal for both. This scenario explains perfectly why OBL tapes all come out just in time to help bush* whenever he is in trouble and his poll numbers have fallen. I don't feel that this is tin foil hat speculation...the coincidences are just too great. OBL has done nothing but HELP bush! BUSH AND OBL MADE A DEAL...NO DOUBT ABOUT IT!!!!

[Arkansas Granny]

24. Since there is an established link between the Bush and

Bin Laden families, I think that your analysis definitely has some merit.

[reprobate]

36. Auntie Bush, I believe it goes back to Bush I, who funded OBL.

The Bushes and bin Ladens have been business partners for decades. Bush I was head of the CIA that started and funded the mujahadeen under bin Laden, supplying all those stinger missiles that beat back Soviet aviation and drove out russia from Afghanistan.

Does anyone here think the connection between them was cut then? When the mujahadeen became the taliban, I believe that a faction of CIA, connected to the neocons then began the plot to attack America, or as the PNAC papers said a "new pearl harbor" to provide a casus belli to take us to was against Iraq. Remember that it was the neocons who demanded that Bush I keep going to Baghdad and kill Saddam. They included Rumsfailed, Wolfowitz, Perl, and Cheney IIRC. Bush I eventually got rid of most of them called them crazy, radical or something of the sort.

Was Mad George involved in the plot? I don't know, but I tend to think not. He tends to blurt things out without thinking first, so I would think the plotters would keep him on the periphery.

So I guess you can call me a conspiracy theorist.

In fact I prefer being called a conspiracy theorist.

If the truth ever does come out, I believe the American People will demand a return to the mass hangings that followed WWII.

[RazzleDazzle]

48. Was bin Laden ever taken OFF the CIA payroll? We don't know

do we?

[Triana]

13. no sh*t - binLaden is an excellent tool for the fool...

...why would he want him captured?

[Javaman]

14. So congressman Hinchney, how does your head feel now...

that you yanked it out of your ass?

Like this is some sort of fucking revelation. Maybe for a repuke. But anyone that has a CLUE knew this, oh, sometime around August 2002.

So Mr. Hinchney, here is a spoon and here is a bowl of clue, now sit still while I feed it to you.

[goodboy]

15. of course not...then he'd lose his "orwellian" boogeyman, same as zarqawi

[OneBlueSky]

16. bin Laden is, and always has been, a U.S. "asset" . . . n/t

.

[plasticsundance]

17. They don't need Osama as a poster boy ...

The Administration would just create and fabricate a new one. One thing the Bush Administration doesn't want is to capture bin Laden, because a possible court hearing with Osama would reveal a money trail leading back to Bush's buddies back in Saudi Arabia. A court hearing would also reveal that Osama bin Laden is not the grand leader of a giant organization called al-Qaeda. They also don't want to kill bin Laden, because that might upset some in the bin Laden family, if not also some radical elements in the Saudi Royal family.

Some in the intelligence community are worried about making Osama bin Laden a martyr, because they fear that it would result in radical officials and soldiers in Pakistan overthrowing Musharraf. These intelligent officials fear Pakistan's nuclear arsenal falling into the wrong hands.

In addition, this is what Bush said a year prior to the invasion of Iraq:

THE PRESIDENT: Deep in my heart I know the man is on the run, if he's alive at all. Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not; we haven't heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is -- really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission.

Terror is bigger than one person. And he's just -- he's a person who's now been marginalized. His network, his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. He is -- as I mentioned in my speech, I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death and he, himself, tries to hide -- if, in fact, he's hiding at all.

So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. I'm more worried about making sure that our soldiers are well-supplied; that the strategy is clear; that the coalition is strong; that when we find enemy bunched up like we did in Shahikot Mountains, that the military has all the support it needs to go in and do the job, which they did.

And there will be other battles in Afghanistan. There's going to be other struggles like Shahikot, and I'm just as confident about the outcome of those future battles as I was about Shahikot, where our soldiers are performing brilliantly. We're tough, we're strong, they're well-equipped. We have a good strategy. We are showing the world we know how to fight a guerrilla war with conventional means.

President Bush Holds Press Conference

[CJCRANE]

33. Yep, the Saudis OWN Bush

and al-Qaeda.

Bin Laden demanded US troops out of Saudi Arabia and Bush complied.

Bush then blamed 9/11 on Iraq, which had nothing to do with it.

[KansDem]

38. Also, Bush's Secret Service protects the Saudi Embassy in DC

This became painfully obvious in Michael Moore's "9/11." Moore and his cameraman were standing across the street from the Saudi Embassy when a SS car pulled up and an SS agent stepped out. He wanted to know what MM was up to. It was obvious that someone in the Saudi Embassy looked out of the window, saw MM and cameraman looking at the embassy, phoned the White House and told Bush to investigate. Bush then called the SS and gave them the order.

If embassy staff were worried, they should have called DC police, or perhaps the FBI...

[f-bush]

18. Of course he didn't want to capture Bin Laden

that's going happen aboout 6 days before the congressional elections!

[LynnTheDem]

22. Why did bush say NO, THREE TIMES, to wiping out Zarqawi in

Kurdistan (under US control, NOT Hussein's control) before his illegal war of aggression against Iraq?

Coz it would have taken away his excuse for scaring the Idiot Americans into supporting his illegal war of aggression against Iraq.

[underpants]

25. LINK to MSNBC story

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601/

Avoiding attacking suspected terrorist mastermind
Abu Musab Zarqawi blamed for more than 700 killings in Iraq

By Jim Miklaszewski
Correspondent
NBC News
Updated: 7:14 p.m. ET March 2, 2004
With Tuesday’s attacks, Abu Musab Zarqawi, a Jordanian militant with ties to al-Qaida, is now blamed for more than 700 terrorist killings in Iraq.

But NBC News has learned that long before the war the Bush administration had several chances to wipe out his terrorist operation and perhaps kill Zarqawi himself — but never pulled the trigger.

[LynnTheDem]

27. Uh huh. When the facts all eventually penetrate the dim minds of

the Idiot Americans -and it will happen, sooner or later- there's gonna be a very deep well of total shock.

"How could we have let it happen..."

[wordpix]

60. this is a HIGH CRIME for which * should be IMPEACHED

[A Simple Game]

47. Because he's a Compassionate Conservative is why he said no.

Just like when he was a kid and saved all of those frogs from the other mean kids...no wait, there's

like when he was the Gov of Texas and pardoned all of those death row inmates....no wait, there's

When he saved all of those Baghdad civilians by using Shock and Awe on them...no, Ok, Ok

Ok, yup, you're right.

[DeepModem Mom]

23. Whoa! nt

[stepnw1f]

28. Finally, People are Speaking Their Mind!!!!

Now why do you think the Neo-Cons don't want people speaking this way publicly?

Because others might agree and start repeating the same thing until finally people demand the truth!!!!

This is all Bush's fault for being too secretive and caught in too many lies. Sorry right wingnuts!

[JerseygirlCT]

30. And they needed the war in Iraq to campaign on

War-time resolute leader and all that crap.

[Auntie Bush]

39. I don't think n American President has been defeated during a war.

Bush knew that..and he thought the re-election would be a show-in with the Boogie man still out there. Or so he thought.. and he's ALWAYS WRONG and he still had to cheat to do it.

[Wilms]

32. K&R

[rodeodance]

37. well, so now it is said in public by a Congressperson. small steps folks.

[worldgonekrazy]

40. Yes, but a step none the less

I think its about the right time to start trying to get this out there too. Even a year ago people would not have listened, but they are slowly beginning to realize that there is something deeply amiss with this administration.

[winston61]

41. well duh!!??

If you capture the boogey man or the monster under the bed, what are you going to use to scare the shit out of the dumbass kids with? If we actually make progress against bin Laden how can we justify all of Rumfeld's and Cheney's weapon systems wet dreams?

[HuffleClaw]

43. and it would have been pointless too

it would have only created a martyr for the extremists. another poster points out they refused to go after zarqawi a few times too. i guess they NEED some boogeymen.

[makeanoise22]

44. People, People, People!!!

Bush said this crap a long time ago, his exact words were:
"I don't know where he (Bin Laden) is and I don't care, I don't worry about him..."

So maybe one of you fine people here can explain to me why the hell the democrats don't use this against him every single day!

That's what makes me so angry at my fellow countrymen...how quickly we forget...
He could be hung out to dry with that statement but no, no one is using it against him...

This is old news, but since most people forget what he has said in the past especially the media, maybe for others it's new...

Democrats need to use this against him always!!!!!

[nytemare]

45. Now, besides fear itself, we have OBL and terra to fear!

I personally think we should be more afraid of fear itself, because being afraid is what got this puke re-selected.

[savemefromdumbya]

46. THIS IS WHY DEMOCRATS should ask Bush to produce Osama's head on a plate

the public would then realize Democrats mean business over terrorism as GOP paints Democrats as weak and supporting terrorism. We need to force Bush's hand. Capture Osama and all his followers! Bush hasn't kept his word about fighting terrorists. They need to ridicule him - We don't have to have a Goldstein to keep the public in check

[On Par]

51. It Took That Congressman That Long To Figure That Out ?

Wow! Makes me wonder how they can find their office on Capital Hill.

When you have Binny surrounded at Tora Bora, and pull out, saying you're going to let the locals go in after him, then you knew if we captured Binny before invading Iraq, there would have been no taste for further misadventures.

What's this congressman going to tell us next..."It was all about the oil!"

[nerdbunnie]

56. LOOK UP HIS RECORD

If people would actually LOOK at Maurice's record, they would see that he's been one of the faithful few all this time. In 2002 he voted against the joint resolution to authorize use of the armed forces in Iraq. He has been consistent on this issue. He publicly spoke in favor of the St. Pat's Four outside the Federal Courthouse while they were on trial here in Binghamton. Maurice is not some crumb-bum moron of a Rep. who has had his head stuck up his ass this whole time. Please, if you're going to bad mouth a Rep, make sure you check up on their record first.

[On Par]

61. He Waits Three Years for this Revelation?

[tomg]

52. Mo Hinchey has been saying things

like this for years. Actually, I'm pretty surprised that a number of people are suggesting that he only recently got his head out of his ass. I heard him speak last spring in New Paltz and he kicked ass, and he has been a vocal opponent to the war, and to this entire administration from the get go. Mo doesn't get the national coverage that some more prominent Reps get, so every time he says something like this ( which if you live in our neck of the woods is about once a week) that gets coverage that goes beyond the Hudson Valley, everyone seems to think he is new to the opposition.

[nerdbunnie]

55. If only people would look before they leap...

Yes...Maurice has been saying things, but people don't seem to listen or care that he's been one of our most faithful...

[tomg]

59. Hi Nerdbunnie.

Welcome to DU. Mo has come up on on DU a number of times. He is one of the best. Not only does he rake Bush and company over the coals about once a week, but he works hard for the people in his district on local issues.

[nerdbunnie]

66. Thanks!

To say how great he is...my GF's mom, who *HATES* Dems for the most part, loves Maurice. He's the only one she will vote for.

[oasis]

57. kick

[rateyes]

63. Osama bin Forgotten....

for more than one reason. War in Iraq. The fact that the bin Ladens and the Bush families are joined at the hip, etc. etc. etc.

[Megahurtz]

64. Sounds about right. n/t

[Nothing Without Hope]

65. I think Osama bin Laden has been useful to the neocons, but his body

will suddenly surface if a heroic "capture" is needed just before key elections. Perhaps he's in a freezer somewhere. Or maybe he's in a cave with his dialysis unit:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x375876
thread title (2-9-06 GD): We need a LAUGH: FDL commenter "reveals" a new secret bin Laden blog!