Iran's Khamenei: The Danish Cartoons Are a Zionist Plot

[ECH1969]

The supreme authority in Iran, the chief cleric Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, declared on Tuesday that the cartoons of Islam's Muhammad published in Europe, which have caused an ongoing and violent uproar in the Muslim world, are a Zionist plot against Islam.

The Associated Press reports that Khamenei told a radio audience that the cartoons are a "conspiracy by Zionists who were angry because of the victory of Hamas."

He was speaking at a ceremony in honor of Iran's air force for its role in bringing the Islamists to power in Iran.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=98121

[YOY]

1. These people probably think Kosher hotdogs are a Zionist Plot

n/t

[sabra]

5. LOL - nothing like a Kosher dog @ the ballpark :-)

[YOY]

6. I agree...and I'm not even Jewish

They just taste better! Sounds like a Zionist conspiracy to me!

[henslee]

16. Sabra... maybe u should change your name to sabrett

[sabra]

22. LOL - had to look up that one as I am based in Chitown

we have Best Kosher and Hebrew National over here :-)

[henslee]

25. Boarshead is also pretty darn good. Got a nice crisp snap to them.

I know you are probably partial but how is the food in Chicago?

[pschoeb]

12. Actually Kosher hot dogs and danishs are an Illuminati plot

With these two foods, you sink into a warm feeling of mindless contentment, then the Illuminati can take over the world. It's clear from this, that the Jews and the Danes are the major players in the Illuminati and world domination. ;)

[YOY]

14. Yes, look for the "Tycho Brahe Code" coming to a bookstore near you!

n/t

[pschoeb]

21. Yes, with a secretive group of Averroistic assasins

who carry out a world domination philosophy from a mix of tenants of Boëthius and Spinoza ;)

[sciouscience]

91. i am not sure where i am going with this but...

didn't kepler do the coding? no sausage reference, just tofu corndogs for the masses!

[rinsd]

30. Hebrew National, there's blood on your hands!!!! (nt)

[Nevernose]

50. Actually, Muslims are supposed to eat Kosher, too

I forget what they call it (because I have a mind like a sieve -- though I think it may have three syllables), but they have the same cleanliness rules as Jews. Okay, okay, I know I'm a drag on what was an otherwise funny post.

[foo_bar]

61. Halal

http://islam.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=islam&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ifanca.org%2Fguide%2F

It's a little different from kosher laws, same stance on pork but a hard line on alcohol, and none of the Exodus stuff about bathing a goat in its mother's milk. And Islam's halal vs. haram concept extends beyond dietary prescriptions into everyday life (words, deeds, actions can all be "haram"), whereas Jews use "not Kosher" as a secular synonym for "fishy" (as in, "that Palm Beach butterfly ballot wasn't kosher!"), but it isn't a literal proclamation unless food is involved.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

2. Isn't everything?

[MADem]

3. The Danish cartoons are a way of getting people distracted

...from the HUGE loss of life due to Saudi fuckups at this years' Hajj....

I just found out these cartoons are several months' old. Why the damn outrage NOW?????

[megatherium]

13. I gather some of the cartoons being shown in the Islamic

world are not even cartoons ran by the original Danish paper, they're worse than the original cartoons. (See this morning's NY Times editorial page.) So I too smell a rat -- we always think about the incitements and wars of our own leaders (thanks, Bush :sarcasm:), be we don't remember that leaders in other countries also use incitement, for their own unpleasant purposes.

If WWIII happens, in the Middle East as long feared, it won't entirely be our fault. I'm certain of that.

[Julius Civitatus]

33. Exactly! - They are using other cartoons to justify the rage

Check it out:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x346477

[Mysse1978]

17. because...

on september 30, Morgenavisen Jyllandsposten publishes the cartoons, after a wild disussion in Denmark about self-censor-ship, as several artists are threatened with death because they THOUGHT about publishing some innocent drawings of The Prophets face, in a biography.

After that, and some even hotter discussions, some muslim leaders (from Denmark) travelled to their homelands, and tries to cause international condemnation (?) - which one might say...worked...

(see the pictures at http;//www.danishmuhammedcartoons.com )

[MADem]

43. Almost four hundred dead, almost an equal number wounded

And see, this has EVERYTHING to do with WHO should be the Guardian of the Holy Places. The House of Saud has taken on the role, and there are some in Islam who think they are a bunch of shitheads, evildoers, thieves and despots who should not have the honor. It becomes an issue every few years.

It's become one again, following this disaster (which many here in the US have not even heard of--imagine how much coverage hundreds dead would get at a pilgrimage to say, Lourdes?): http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4606002.stm

The article is worth reading--there's a history of other Hajj disasters at the sidebar.

The House of Saud NEEDS to hang on to that Guardian role; else they have zip, zero, nada in the way of legitimacy. That is the real reason why they are fomenting this "They hate us for our PROPHET" theme; to distract from the issue that they can't run a fucking Hajj without a shitload of people dying every couple of years.

If Islam is united in outrage against blonde, blue eyed westerners, they aren't looking for answers from the golden-robed Guardians of the Holy Places.

It's a classic BushCo strategy, actually--a Weapon of Mass Distraction, if you will....

[Stella_Artois]

82. You mean this image ?

This is one of the images that the Imans on their "Hate 2005" tour purported to be proof of the persecution they have to put up with in Denmark.

[nodehopper]

84. yeah...that's a French commisioner at a folk festival.

[Stella_Artois]

86. It certainly is

http://www.neandernews.com/?p=54%20

[Canuckistanian]

4. So they knew about the Hamas victory last September?

That's when some of the cartoons were first drawn.

[wordpix]

7. more scapegoating by the Arab nutcases

[ButterflyBlood]

24. Iranians aren't Arab

There's a small Arab minority in the Southwest, but the country is predominately Persian.

[Chrisduhfur]

52. What's the deal with that though?

What exactly is the difference? I mean, is there a major culture difference?

[Colorado Blue]

79. Actually, there are - ok - there's no simple way to answer

this so I'll try to be as brief as possible.

Iran is roughly the region that used to be known as "Persia", which has ancient roots and has at times, commanded extensive empires. This brought them into contact with the West, via trade and also warfare. The contact between Greece and Persia, and with Alexander the Great, brought conflict as well as cultural exchange. Greek and Hellenistic artistic influences are obvious throughout Central Asia, even into Buddhist territory, and this occurred because of trade and warfare with the Greeks. The same is true from the other direction: trade along the Silk Road brought cultural influences as well as goods and people, all the way from China.

There is also a deep connection between Persia and India, and many artistic traditions overlap. You can see this in Persian miniature paintings and also in the woven and embroidered textile arts.

Musically, Persian music incorporates elements you can detect in both Indian and Arab music, but it's quite unique in and of itself. Modern Arabic music actually uses Persian notation.

Also, there are many Turkic tribes within Iran. Turks came originally from Mongolia, moving westward until certain tribes (Seljuk, Ottoman) eventually settled in Asia Minor whilst others (Salor, Saryk, Tekke, Yomud, Igdir, Ersari, Kizil Ajak, Arabatchi and other groups and sub-groups) stayed roughly between the eastern edges of the Caspian Sea and the Amu Darya (Indus) River valley. They were nomadic or semi-nomadic for the most part, though some were sedentary and lived in or near Central Asian cities and traded in Bokhara among other places. Many also lived in Afghanistan. Yomud and Tekke groups live in Eastern Iran and Shahsavan and other tribal groups are Turkic-speaking. In Islamic times, several great Turkic-led empires dominated the region and great art and architecture and multicultural societies flourished within them: Seljuk, Ottoman, Mughal.

Kurds and Baluch - an Indo-European language group of several tribes, also live in Iran. There are other major tribal groups, some of which are still nomadic: Qashqua'i, Khamseh Federation - of which one group is Arab; and there is also an Arab Baluch group; and the Bahktiari.

So, Iran is extremely rich culturally. The ancient religion, Zorastrianism, is said to live just under the surface and their artistic traditions reflect their ancient and various roots and are very different from the Arab traditions. For one thing they are figurative, although many of the carpet and tile designs, for example, are in fact geometricizations of floral and animal forms. Others, however, are geometric but hail from the East, from the Mongol tradition, rather than from the Arab tradition although I'm sure there is overlap there as well.

The official language is Farsi, not Arabic, though as I mentioned there are many language groups living in Iran. It's even more complex in Afghanistan, where I believe some 56 languages can still be found.

I hope this helps:)

[Chrisduhfur]

83. Thank you.

That was very informative and interesting.

[Colorado Blue]

90. You're welcome! It's a fascinating country. eom

[Coastie for Truth]

8. Oh Today We'll Merry Merry Be, and Noch Some Hamentashin

And roll the Gregors when the names of the evil Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad are mentioned.

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References:




Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad are going down

[smirkymonkey]

46. Isn't showing a depiction of Hamentaschen blasphemous in

the Jewish religion?

Die Blasphemer!

[Marie26]

9. Isn't everything?

I'm thinking my broken car is a Zionist plot.

[Colorado Blue]

10. Right. So maybe he can explain how the cartoons, which

were published in September, were a psychic Zionist plot.

Or what:(

[barb162]

11. Well, Johnny Carson's the Great Karnak could intuit things

just like this Iranian comedian. You put a piece of paper up to your forehead and the answer is clear. Or in the Great Karnak's case, the question is clear.

[Colorado Blue]

44. LOL!

[KittyWampus]

15. Replace Zionist with Facist and he's close to the Truth

[Mysse1978]

19. Hell no...

Saying that Denmark and the scandinavians/europeans had this in mind as a fascist plot, just shows how litle you know about this... sorry to say, but that´s just insane.

YES we have the freedom of speech/press/thoughts/religion/sexuality/etc. and we will defend it, no matter what it may cost. Even living with people, who´s opinions are outragerous. But to say that all of this is a fascist plot - makes no sense - the same way that saying it´s a Zionist plot is crazy.

First of all, the majority of danes are protestants, which kind of eliminates the idea of "us" doing this and defending it a zionist plot. Second, comes that when the "danish front" (a fascist group) had a LEGAL demonstration against the boycot/threads from some muslim countries - only about 80 freezing people showed up...from two countries all together.

So please investigate things before you say thing you don´t know anything about...

Thank you.

/Maya

[KittyWampus]

28. The Newspaper Owners Are Fascists Before They Are Scandavians

and you need to recognize that:

*The first time the cartoons ran there was only some dissent without violence
*The cartoons were run for a SECOND time. Why?
*The newspaper editors claim their intent on publishing the cartoons was to engender dialog on Religion
*The same newspaper editors REFUSED to print cartoons slamming Christinity
*The Newspapers in question are right wing
The Newspapers owners and the editors that do their bidding have every incentive to foment anger against Muslims in Europe. How else to get backing for an invasion into Iran?

[fedsron2us]

36. This is certainly the line of the Trotskyists

at the at the World Socialist Web - http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/feb2006/cart-f04.shtml.
However, their analysis does not really explain all the violence in the Middle East. The embassy burnings in Lebanon and Syria were far from being spontaneous outbreaks of anger, and the Iranian government are certainly orchestrating a lot of the outrage in Iran. It is unlikely that those behind the protests are mere dupes of European fascists. Indeed, I am now starting to wonder whether there is some shared agenda here between certain Islamic radicals and European neo Nazis since both stand to benefit in their own way from the fall out from recent events.

[Igel]

40. It also doesn't explain what people were saying

before, during, and immediately after the initial publication. At the time, I remember thinking that soliciting the cartoons may be a bad move, but it's essentially something I'd have done to make a point: possible offense in the face of almost certain intimidation and repression is a fair trade-off.

I'm unaware of neonazi fascists being economic liberals (in the classical sense). Most of them are fairly totalitarian--but anything that's not socialist is, to the WSW, fascist. They sort of push left-of-center together with center, right wing, and extreme right, over against the far extreme right side of the continuum.

Jyllensland Posten is more conservative than most here, but hardly fascist by most definitions of the term.

I think that some of the outbursts are locally driven, but agree that many are being organized at a supranational level. No, that sounds entirely wrong, and it's worth getting right. I believe that the impetus for the demonstrations is being spread at a supranational level, fomenting anger, with local demonstrations occurring as expected; however, I also believe that some demonstrations are secondary, resulting from the news, the further publication of the cartoons, and a desire not to let the Syrians out-militant/out-virtue the local Muslim community. Esp. in places with the occasional cesspool of Muslim militancy like Indonesia.

[bloom]

31. People who don't think it's possible see: The Man Who Sold the War

The Man Who Sold the War
Meet John Rendon, Bush's general in the propaganda war

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/8798997/the_man_who_sold_the_war/?rnd=1139343887612&has-player=true

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and notice the Neocons reaction to all this - how they love it.


Printing cartoons that Muslims would interpret as deep disrespect... many papers reprinting them soon after the Hamas election... planting people to start riots....

Doesn't seem that impossible considering all the other stuff we've seen.

[Julius Civitatus]

34. Bullshit!!!

[rastaman]

18. I am so sick of these god damn idiots

Kanye West is on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine
posing as jesus christ. While there are complaints, of
course, from many christians groups, I dont see any
burning of flags or for that matter any burning of
Rolling Stone magazines (some of which actually
deserve to get burned for the horrible writing). Why
is it Christians can “take it” yet muslims resort to
violence? Muslims are the most intolerant and hateful
people on earth. Yet demand the most tolerance for
their behavior and beliefs. Yes I said it!! These are
cartoons. CARTOONS!!

Why are there no religiously
pluralistic majority-muslim societies? You cant even
bring a bible into Saudi Arabia.

Many seem afraid to say it but I think there is
something seriously wrong with people who are
pre-conditioned with this infantile violent reaction
to every percieved slight. I say print more cartoons
and to the "offended" get your superior feeling-cant take a
joke-intolerant-bigoted-14th century-terrorist breeding-racist-envious-immature-religious
hogwash out of my face!!

[Frank Cannon]

37. You said it, rastaman. A plague on ALL their houses.

Welcome to DU, by the way.

I am so sick to death of this whole stupid thing. I'm tired of hearing about it, and I'm particularly tired of all the violence that is being done in the world over a stupid freaking CARTOON.

It's just sad and shameful that I went to sleep a few nights ago and appear to have awaken not in the 21st Century, but in the muddy depths of the mentally retarded Dark Ages.

I'm sorry, but one person's right to be a superstitious, fundamentalist, foaming-at-the-mouth fool ends at my right to wield an illustration pen. And that's all there is to it.

[CJCRANE]

85. I think there probably are -

I lived in one for a few years, a very small secular country with a muslim majority population. There was a Hindu temple, an Anglican Cathedral and a Catholic cathedral in the capital city (and also a significant Chinese minority).

There are a billion muslims and dozens of muslim countries in Africa and Asia, I don't think any of us are an expert on countries and places we've never been to.

[Behind the Aegis]

20. Boy, they are a few steps behind!

Bahrain beat them to the punch...and with a 'snazzy' cartoon of their own.



Akhbar al-Khalij, January 29, 2006 (Bahrain)
As the Islamic world reacted with anger to caricatures of Muhammad in a Danish newspaper, this cartoon claimed the controversy was a result of “The Penetration of Zionism to Denmark.” The cheese, shaped like a Star of David, is labeled “Danish products.” The text on the far left reads, “Boycott it!”

[Mysse1978]

26. As a dane I don´t know if I should laugh or cry?

[Behind the Aegis]

45. I hate to bother you...

You can't get Private messages yet, so I have to do this here. As a native speaker of Danish, could you help me out? Cartoon #9: what does it say? It is the odd looking one (like half-eaten ice cream cones). The text to the left has no translation and I haven't found any sites that have it translated.

Thanks!

Jer kan ikke blive Hemmelig beskeder endnu , altså Jeg har hen til lave indeværende her ovre. Nemlig barnefødt i højttaler i Dansk , kunne jer hjælp mig ud? tegner #9: hvad gør der står, at? Den er den aparte ser ud sig ( lige halv - spist is fløde kegle ). Den tekst hen til den igen har ikke gengivelse og JEG har ikke oprette hvilken som helst steder at nyde sig oversat.

Tak!

(translation from: http://www.tranexp.com:2000/Translate/result.shtml)

[wellst0nev0ter]

23. When Did Our Planet Become Ruled

by a bunch of children?

[Behind the Aegis]

27. 2000?

Just a guess. :)

[K-W]

29. Says the walking caricature.

Theres something about countries run by living caricatures.

[distantearlywarning]

32. A Zionist plot. Uh huh. Riiiight.

And I'm the Queen of Jolly Olde England.

Sometimes I wish that these religious loonies would just STFU. Or that newspapers wouldn't encourage them by disbursing their loonie statements to the world at large.

[Julius Civitatus]

35. Muslim leaders used FAKE cartoons to spark the riots

Today it's been revealed that the Danish Muslims that complained to religious leaders about the newspaper cartoons, actually used OTHER UNRELATED cartoons (way more offensive and revolting) to justify the rage. Those extra cartoons had nothing to do with the Danish newspaper, and they probably grabbed them off the web (they look like the sort of crap Freepers or LGF would post).

For some reason they wanted rage and anger against the Danish, and in order to add fuel to the fire they used revolting, almost pornographic cartoons of unknown origin that the Danish newspaper never published and never had anything to do with them. More over here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x346477

The question is why now? Why 5 months after the original Danish newspaper published the (legit) cartoons?

[Marie26]

38. What do you think is the answer? nt

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

39. re "Today it's been revealed" - this has been known for ages

but I admit that the media has been utterly shit in reporting it. They're equally crap at explaining the background to the cartoons being published (the article in another Danish paper about illustrators being too scared to work on a childrens book about Mohammeds sparking off a debate about free speech and Islam) or even the content of the cartoons themselves (not all of them depict Mohammed and a couple have a go at the paper for seeking caricatures of Mohammed - the "PR stunt" one & the blackboard one).

[Spankydem]

67. I heard that too.....

they just wanted to anger the masses and now they want to blame the jews.

Wait till they get a nuke...then the party really starts.

[Igel]

41. I must admit, there was one poster I was

arguing with a bit (on another thread, days ago) and I fell into exhibiting troll-like tendencies.

It was reported that anti-Holocaust cartoons were in the offing, and I couldn't help but ask him (her?) why the pissed-off Muslims picked the Jews to pick on, not the Danes. It's not like the Danes are a superpower that instill fear in the hearts of militants the world over.

I was hoping to get a "because they're anti-Semitic", at the least. But I was really expecting a suitable response for me to proffer that some loonie fundie Muslims probably saw the usual "hidden hand" behind the cartoons, viz. Israel, Jews, Zionists, whatever their favorite epithet, and that evidence for this suggestion would be forthcoming.

Thanks for providing it. I wasn't expecting Iran, somehow, but rather Syria or Sa'udi Arabia, or maybe al-Azhar in Cairo; silly of me, in retrospect. Then again, I can't read the Arabic press, so maybe it's a question of who's insane utterances got translated first.

[HuffleClaw]

42. they probably were a plot

but not a 'zionist' one, more like a bushco. cia type plot.

[Chrisduhfur]

53. Are you serious?

Are you serious or was that tongue-in-cheek? I really don't think Bush or the CIA is behind this one. Maybe some other thigns, but not this.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

47. The zillions of Arabs protesting making our President Jackass look good

All I can say is, God they're stupid, stupid, stupid. They're attacking countries that are their friends.

[CJCRANE]

88. "Zillions"?

How many do you think are actually protesting?

The ones protesting in London (with the infamous placards) only have about 50-200 people in their group.

[FVZA_Colonel]

48. I'm just waiting for him to site the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion."

At this point, it doesn't seem so far-fetched.

[leesa]

49. It IS interesting that the overplay of the issue in the media which has

fueled the unrest has very conveniently covered more bad news for the Bush administration and helped their desire to go to war with Iran and Syria. How convenient is that?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

54. The Danes were threatened by these people

I don't know how much that has to do with media, or reality.

[flashdebadge]

51. Absolutely ridiculous! Consider this...

Khamenei said "...the cartoons are a "conspiracy by Zionists who were angry because of the victory of Hamas." The cartoons have been around for 5 or 6 months. Only recently did the radical imams figure out they could use them to stir up trouble. The victory of Hamas is only a few weeks old. So how does this guy think that the cartoons were put out by "Zionists" who were angry over the victory of Hamas??? Every time I here the word "Zionist" coming from one of these pukes, any sympathy I might have had is immediately squashed!

[Name removed]

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[Sarah Ibarruri]

56. Honestly, there are provocations of all kinds out there

Jewish people are attacked routinely not just by Arabs/Muslims in cartoons, articles and editorials, but by all press all over the globe, black people are attacked routinely, and we libs attack Bush, Cheney and the whole lot of criminals all the time. Threats to kill the publishers of cartoons, articles and editorials, are not only inappropriate, but should not be tolerated.

If every time I see something against my people published out there somewhere, my reaction is to threaten to kill, or organize protests worldwide, you all would call me insane and tell me that I'm out of control and need to be stopped. Why then, are we tolerant as a mother duck with its baby ducks when it comes to these people threatening violence upon the Danes?

[Wordie]

58. Nowhere in the article cited in the OP did I read any death threats.

I've mentioned in another thread, Sarah Ibarruri, that there appears to be an attempt going on to incite Islamophobia. I'll join with you in condemning any extremists who actually make such threats. Will you join with me in acknowledging that these extremists in no way represent the majority of Muslims?

[Name removed]

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[Wordie]

74. I've called you before on these sorts of statements. You are blasting a

billion people over the actions of some. That's Islamophobia and you are promoting it.

[Behind the Aegis]

60. Suggestion...

Explore the site you give as proof!

[Wordie]

65. And then there's this, from the OP's site (violence is ok, sometimes)

This shows that the site's readers support violence, when it comes to trying to keep the illegal Israeli settlements:

How should activists protest the destruction of outposts?

Active opposition, without weapons 33.08 % (787)
Using all means necessary to prevent the expulsion 42.79 % (1018)
Passive resistance 12.02 % (286)
Should not bother, it is a lost cause 9.71 % (231)
Other 2.40 % (57)
Total Votes: 2379

If you have a specific objection to the site from which I posted, please explain it.

[Behind the Aegis]

69. And that proves?

I could pull polls here that might be similar. It doesn't discount the news in LBN. As for your site, since you won't do it. Do you prefer I do it here or in a PM?

[Wordie]

75. Read this International Herald Tribune article

from which some of the material was drawn:
http://www.iht.com/bin/print_ipub.php?file=/articles/2006/02/05/news/ink.php

And here is more info from Media Monitors Network, confirming some of the statements in the material I posted:

And the point was . . .?
by Sherri Muzher
(Saturday February 11 2006)

...But what about Rose’s thoughts? Some say he strived for a message against self-censorship in Denmark. Most others familiar with Rose’s ideological views say those leanings were behind the publication.

Keep in mind that Rose refused to publish a British cartoon by the UK Independent’s Dave Brown that won first place in a contest. In an image inspired by 19th century painter Francesco de Goya who painted, “Saturn Devouring one of his Children,” the cartoon showed Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon eating a Palestinian baby. Grotesque? Sure, but the idea of the Prophet Muhammad with a bomb for a turban is also grotesque to many. Was the Sharon cartoon “racist” as Rose declared? Depends on who you ask.

...In recent days, much has been said about how the West values freedom of expression and how the East just “doesn’t get it. This is how we are! Deal with it.” But are we talking about the same thing? There’s freedom of expression, and then there’s setting out to offend people.

A recent Ha’aretz article in Israel said it best:

“One thing that all journalists know is how to hurt people.

The good ones know how to avoid it, and do, refraining from racism, steering clear of character assassinations of private individuals. The bad ones hurt people inadvertently, through breaches of professional ethics. The worst, a group which can include some of the best known, do it on purpose.”

http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/26722

...and I was just wondering why you would object to my source, based apparently on other material on the site, yet find the bias of the OP site irrelevant.

[Behind the Aegis]

76. This proves nothing...

Furthermore....mediamonitors...:puke: So, Have you discovered why your ORIGINAL source is so offensive?

[Wordie]

57. That link is from a far-right wing Israeli site, and thus is suspect.

Arutz Sheva Israel National Radio is a right wing Israeli radio station. Founded in 1988, it formerly broadcasted on the Israeli airwaves from a ship in the Mediterranean Sea outside of Israel's territorial waters until being shutdown by the Israeli government. Currently it only broadcasts over the Internet from its website which it has been running for about the last ten years. It was forced to broadcast from a ship because Israeli law doesn't permit unlicensed radio stations to broadcast from Israeli or Palestinian territory.

...In terms of politics, the station is considered far right wing, and religious in its outlook, and is focused on Israeli nationalism. However it has a strong America-centric feel, with most of its presenters originating in America, and it maintains a genial approach.

In the station's own words, "The station supports the unity of the Land of Israel and spent many hours devoted to protecting Gush Katif from Ariel Sharon's Disengagement Plan, which we refer to as the Expulsion Plan, and Yishai and Malkah Fleisher even moved to Gush Katif prior to the expulsion of its Jews to do live shows from there. The Fleishers themselves were forcibly removed from Gush Katif by the Israeli Army."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arutz_Sheva_Israel_National_Radio

(Note that the webite cited in the OP is part of Arutz Sheva.)

I am concerned about agendas here...

[Behind the Aegis]

59. Agendas indeed...

Notice that this has also been published elsewhere and do notice this line: "The Associated Press reports that Khamenei told a radio audience that the cartoons are a "conspiracy by Zionists who were angry because of the victory of Hamas."

I am more concerned by people trying to rationalize the same thing these raging anti-Semites are saying.

[Wordie]

62. If you read my post #55...

you'll see that I stated unambiguously that I believed his remarks were way over the top. My concern has to do with the way that some of this stuff has been a deliberate provocation, and has led to a lot of Islamophobic stuff being published, which I object to, just as I object to actual anti-semitism.

Both are wrong, in that they paint an entire race, or religion, with one broad derogatory brush.

Don't you agree, bta?

[Behind the Aegis]

64. See posts #60 and #63

[Wordie]

66. So you won't condemn Islamophobia? eom

[Behind the Aegis]

68. Of course it is wrong...

...just as wrong as using anti-Semitism to prove a point.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

73. You don't condemn the public murders and beatings of women, do you?

And do you condemn anti-semitism? What exactly do you condemn?

[Wordie]

77. Another Islamophobic statement, Sarah. You need to work on that.

I've stated my position on anti-semitism clearly, repeatedly, again in #62. Why...do you think that anyone who objects to Islamophobia is automatically anti-semitic???

You are taking the worst examples of Islamic extremism and acting as if they represent all 1 billion Muslims on this planet. That is ignorant and offensive. Have you ever even known a Muslim?

[Malikshah]

70. Now now now... folks are having *too* much fun

having their biases supported. Don't rain on folks' parade by actually providing information.

Bet you're a hit at birthday parties...;)

[Wordie]

71. Don't know about birthday parties but I'm just *adored* in the I/P forum.

[Malikshah]

78. Think of it as a plus

Any boob can go around not making friends and enemies. Some go around only making friends.

It's only the folks who have enemies--*those* are the real interesting folks.

[Wordie]

81. LOL...I must be VERY interesting then.

I chose my DU name well aware of my tendency to speak my mind. :)

The problem of course is the ease with which the person speaking his/her mind can be quoted out of context, etc.

[Ignacio Upton]

63. "conspiracy by Zionists who were angry because of the victory of Hamas."

Here's a problem with that statement. The cartoons were published on September 30, 2005. Hamas won on January 26, 2006!

Proof:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/26/AR2006012600372.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy

[Colorado Blue]

80. We're pyschic:)

Thought everybody knew that:)

[sakabatou]

87. Oy vey

[Name removed]

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[Moderator]

92. locking

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