Poll: Surveillance Wins Some More Backers

[sabra]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1599222

Poll: Surveillance Wins Some More Backers
A New AP-Ipsos Poll Shows Bush Has Won Some Supporters for Warrantless Surveillance Program

WASHINGTON Feb 9, 2006 (AP)— President Bush's monthlong campaign to convince the public that the government's eavesdropping program is an essential anti-terrorism tool appears to have made an impact, a new AP-Ipsos poll suggests.

Some 48 percent now support the administration's program to monitor without a court warrant some U.S.-based calls with suspected links to terrorists. That's up from 42 percent last month. Half now say the administration should have to get a warrant, down from 56 percent one month ago.

...

Press secretary Scott McClellan said the White House will listen to ideas that lawmakers have about legislation, but Bush has indicated that he would resist any move that would compromise the program.

"There is a high bar to overcome on such ideas," McClellan said.

[Greeby]

1. Ein Volk! Ein Reich! Ein Bush!

Seriously, whats wrong with that 48%? :shrug:

[stickdog]

9. What's wrong is that both the media & the Democrats on TV are

pretending that this is a legitimate point of debate.

The Democrats need to reframe the question until people realize that what the pollsters are asking is, "Do you want a President or a King?"

[tmooses]

2. 48% believe liberty means less freedom.

[stickdog]

10. War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength.

[tledford]

21. Doubleplusgood! n/t

[fooj]

3. Wonder if they will feel the same after reading this...

Wash Times: 1) Bush is spying on American-American phone calls IN THE US; 2) Known Al Qaeda agents are running free inside US; 3) Spy program useless


It's hard to overstate the significance of this article in the Washington Times' magazine.

Peace.

[Barrett808]

6. Can you post the link? Sounds like good stuff. n/t

[fooj]

23. Certainly...sorry about that.

http://americablog.blogspot.com/

Peace.

[Barrett808]

25. Cool, thanks. Here's the permanent link:

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/02/wash-times-1-bush-is-spying-on.html

[twaddler01]

4. They will slowly take away our freedom

:mad:

[DemInDistress]

5. lets demand from the bush crime family,the 7,000 photo's

300 hours of videotape and all documents relating to the Sept.11 attacks before any one else jumps aboard this train wreck called,"spying on Americans." If the blind and misinformed were privy to all that's out there as evidence of LIHOP/MIHOP those same Americans wouldn't be so supportive of spying..

[BillZBubb]

7. SHEEPLE!

The same morons who will vote Repug in November. They'd rather give up liberty, freedom, and privacy than have the miniscule threat of some terrorists actually plotting over the telephone.

[applegrove]

8. With warrants. By following law - gov't has always been able to wiretap.

Just follow the law. Or adjust it so it is workable.

[Coastie for Truth]

13. District Judges and Magistrate Judges

have been issuing warrants by fax for 25 years.

A friend of mine is a US District Judge - and the one week/2 months that he is the "Warrant Judge" - he has a Marshal and a fax machine at his home - whenever he is not in the court house. (The guy is also a former US Attorney and a former "Police Legal Adviser/Acting Silver Leaf Police Commander") - but he says that's way it is done for regular warrants.

He joked that for FISA duty a FISA judge can turn a warrant around (talking 2AM) as soon as he picks up the phone and walks over to the fax machine in the spare bedroom.

[applegrove]

14. Exactly. Seems GOP still trying to "frame" this issue. Nobody doubts

the need for increased warrants. & increased surveillance. And for the two the mesh in their increasing need.

[mmonk]

11. I'm sure the people of 1930's Germany had no problem

with Hitler's changing of their laws to keep them "safe" either. A fool and an idiot is one who will give up his freedom for there are NO GOOD reasons to do so. Nobody or no court would prevent terrorists from being spied on. So the illegal spying MEANS that people who are not terrorist suspects are being spied on.

[IndianaGreen]

17. History repeats itself.

Decades from now, a new generation of Americans will have to deal with the guilt of Bush's holocaust, just as Germans had to deal with Hitler's.

[wisteria]

12. Well this comes as no surprise.

Unless we can find a way to connect this wiretapping to peoples' everyday lives,Bush will win this just based on it being a necessary tactic in his war on terror. After all, he is our terror in chief.
I have had people say to me when I ask them if they aren't concerned about being spied on tell me they don't mind, they have nothing to hide.

Aren't there any examples of how this program has affected people adversely and perhaps changed their lives?
How about wiretapping in the past? Any examples where people were wiretapped for ridiculous reasons and it affected relationships, income etc?
Maybe, we need to emphasis what life could possible be like if this program were permitted to continue unchecked.

We hold the high ground on this issue, yet we can't get a break with the damn media on this. Oh, and some of our Washington leaders have certainly not formulated our response and attack very effectively.

[EFerrari]

24. The whole situation is unsafe.

The more people that handle your information, the more at risk you are of injury. Your phone records and email records aren't going to Bush, they're going to a bureaucracy. So, how many people do you want reading your email?

Look at this story about bank records from the SF Chronicle today:

Some BofA clients find debit cards canceled

Numerous Bank of America customers have had their debit cards canceled and have been blocked from accessing their accounts online after an unnamed company experienced what appears to be a major security breach.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/02/09/BUGHLH55SQ1.DTL&type=tech

[Vinnie From Indy]

15. BushCo ALWAYS runs the same play

First get out the talking points. In this case they are that Bush is only spying on KNOWN Al Queda and only spying on international calls. Get ALL of the BushCo media operatives to pound the shit out of the talking points without context and mix in a few really scary stories of ambiguous threats, a few pictires of rioting Muslims and mention 9/11 ad nauseum. Fill out this propaganda layer cake with an Ipsos poll. Make sure the poll that asks the question uses the word "suspected terrorists". This is a kind of mental crowbar on the pollee to answer affirmatively and skew the poll results toward BushCo. This is, in turn, fed back into the media loop and mixed with more highly suspect scary talk about LA going up in flames. It really is quite simple and very effective. It is also exactly what has been predicted by so many throughout history as the way to best nurture fascism.

[400Years]

19. You are exactly right Vinnie

[NJmaverick]

16. The DEMS need to be on the news

Hammering away at the FACT that Bush broke the law. They are letting the repukes spin this. They are trying to make it about spying, INSTEAD of the warrants. If the Dems are not willing to fight, our Country is in big trouble.

[Up2Late]

18. It's amazing what a month of well crafted LIES will do for your poll...

...numbers.

Is it just me, or has anyone else never heard of this new "AP-Ipsos" Poll? Sounds like they are reporting on the "new and improved" poll that they just created to spin this.

I mean, Where the HELL is the link to this "poll?" Or are we just supposed to "Trust them."

[KansDem]

20. Notice that this is from ABC news...?

We will see these kinds of "reports" from the Corporate Media while substantive articles about Bush's lawbreaking from "alternative media sources" go virtually ignored. "Polls" like this one will be pushed by the Corporate Media to persuade potential "fence sitters" that what Bush did is gaining approval from more and more of their fellow citizens.

Corporate Media will push hard to make it seem like Bush didn't really do anything wrong.

[Mnemosyne]

31. Our local ABC affiliate is in the same building

and uses the same anchors as the local Faux news station. I wonder if this is common across the country?

Idjuts.

[truthisfreedom]

22. who cares? it's still illegal. all the polls in the world won't save bush.

it's like asking the public if Michael Jackson is guilty or not.

[sattahipdeep]

26. questioners

[Massachusetts]

27. Surveillance Wins Some More Backers

Morans! (I know it's spelled rong)

When is the Mother Ship coming to get me out of here?

[endarkenment]

28. "U.S.-based calls with suspected links to terrorists" bullshit question.

That is not what the cabal is doing. They are monitoring calls without any suspects on either end of the call. This poll is bullshit.

[Az_lefty]

29. These dumb bastards don't deserve the freedom they have.

:hide:

[daleo]

30. How about TV screens that watch back

According to a book I read, that's also a great way to protect society.

[VegasWolf]

32. Do not be surprised, the average IQ of the US is a mere 100. One more

reason not to be "average"!!!!!

[HuffleClaw]

33. and yet again a poll designed to get the 'right' answer.

"Should the Bush administration be required to get a warrant from a judge before monitoring phone and Internet communications between American citizens in the United States and ***suspected terrorists***, or should the government be allowed to monitor such communications without getting a warrant?"


this is NOT about 'suspected terrorists' damn it, its about a widespread and unchecked spying on americans with no oversight whatsoever. the media really has a lot to answer for in this debacle. if they were at all honest with these polls it would become apparent very swiftly that the public is not at all in favor of this wholesale domestic spying.