SD House Approves Abortion Ban

[RebelOne]

It's starting. The overturning of Roe V. Wade

02/10/2006

SD House Approves Abortion Ban

The South Dakota House has passed a bill that would nearly ban all abortions in the state, ushering the issue to the state Senate.
Supporters are pushing the measure in hopes of drawing a legal challenge that will cause the US Supreme Court to reverse its 1973 decision legalizing abortion.

The bill banning all abortions in South Dakota was passed 47-to-22 in the House.

Amendments aimed at carving out exemptions for rape, incest and the health of women were rejected.

The bill does contain a loophole that allows abortions if women are in danger of dying. Doctors who do those abortions could not be prosecuted.


http://www.keloland.com/NewsDetail2817.cfm?Id=0,45916

[Zenlitened]

1. Why are South Dakota lawmakers pro-rape and pro-incest?

:shrug:

[MountainLaurel]

3. And pro-coathanger?

And pro-baseball bat to the belly? And pro-12-year-olds being raped by their fathers who slice their wrists?

[Zenlitened]

8. Exactly. All of that and more.

What sickos. :grr:

[sarcasmo]

25. I am sure they are pro death penalty too.

[MountainLaurel]

52. No doubt

That's the way these people usually are. They're probably also not interested in creating solutions regarding poverty, health care, racism, etc.

[0007]

5. I don't get it!

[Megahurtz]

50. Hey! They probably are!

Sick perverts!

[MaraJade]

85. Very good question. . .

Makes one wonder about those MEN; I mean, REALLY WONDER. . .

[liberal N proud]

2. Is this the case prepared for the Supreme Court?

Is this the one designed to overturn Roe V Wade?

[bluestateguy]

7. Right now there is a 5-4 pro Roe v. Wade majority

But it's hanging by a thread. Justice Stevens is 86. If he can't hang on until January 20, 2009 (assuming we get a Democratic president), then it's all over.

[cali]

12. Not necessarily

If we take back the Senate, bushco won't try and push a pro-lifer through. He knows he'd fail, and be weakened terribly. Of course, he's got less than a year before he's officially a lame duck, anyway.

[Tesha]

37. Why do you think a pro-life justice wouldn't be confirmed?

Did not Alito get a lot of Democratic support when it really mattered?

Tesha

[cali]

41. No he didn't get a lot of dem support.

Don't forget the dems are in the minority. They get the majority and they're hardly going to go along with repukes. They're going to be exacting every bit of revenge they possibly can. The ill will that's been built up is formidable. repubs have been screwing dems. Dems will pay it forward in spades. Not to mention that dems really don't want Roe overturned. Yeah, I'm sure.

[lastliberalintexas]

59. Yes, he did

Regardless of their spin, Alito received a huge amount of support from Dems when they stupidly voted for cloture, thereby allowing him to waltz onto the Court. And the Dems were actually in the majority when we approved Scalia and Thomas, so I'm not holding my breath that they'll protect women now.

[worldgonekrazy]

72. I agree

A vote for cloture was essentially a vote for Alito's nomination. Looked at it that way, only 24 Dems actually opposed Alito.

But I'm not worried about Roe. The Republicans don't actually want it overturned, because then a great deal of their base loses the main reason they have to vote for that shitty party.

[lastliberalintexas]

56. Kennedy is only barely pro-Roe

He usually sides with the anti-choice crowd when it comes to restrictions being placed on abortion, though. So long as it remains legal in theory, he really doesn't seem to care if it becomes criminal in fact.

His vote can't really be assumed.

[cali]

9. Good news

This case will never make it the SC. It'll be overturned by the Federal Court. I can almost guarantee the SC will refuse to hear it. And it's good news in another way: It illustrates the lunatic nature of the S.D. House to the entire country. This is not what people want. We should be playing this up in this election year. The legislators in SD are idiots.

[bluestateguy]

4. If I may paraphrase Andrew Jackson

"South Dakota has made their law. Now let them enforce it."

[Freedom_from_Chains]

15. That quote was actually made about a Supreme Court

decision of which the court had not police or military to enforce. South Dakota does have a police force to enforce their law. Big difference.

[uppityperson]

6. I think there is only 1 place in SD to get ab, and they fly in docs

Supreme Court will definitely be hearing some cases. In SD, I believe, there is only 1 place to get an abortion, and they fly in docs from (Minneapolis?) once a week or so to do them. Even though they are legal, they are dreadfully difficult to get. Protestors, clinic bombing terrorists have made it very scary to have clinics open or local docs to do them.

[savemefromdumbya]

10. so people will go to another state or another country to have one

you used to see many Irish ladies coming to England for abortions

[RaleighNCDUer]

13. And it violated Irish law to do so.

The follow up to this will be the law making it illegal to travel to another state or courtry for an abortion.

[savemefromdumbya]

16. another way this government restricts?

it's going to get worse!

[primavera]

18. At least that much is happily unenforcible

I suspect you're absolutely right that such a move is the next step for the sadistic assholes who long to see women hemorrhage to death on coathangers, but that's been tried before in other parts of the world and, as far as I'm aware, has never produced a conviction. Closing down clinics within ones own jurisdiction is one thing; attempting to enforce medieval laws outside your jursidiction is another matter.

Of course, the real problem is that not everyone can afford to travel to have an abortion and with the Bushista junta toiling away night and day to convert prosperous people into paupers, the percentage of women unable to afford trips out of state is growing daily.

[MountainLaurel]

20. Already happening

There was an article here a couple weeks ago that, I believe, dealt with Illinois and Missouri. One state's abortion providers have stopped accepting patients from the other because of the other state's laws on travelling outside the state to get an abortion. This law may just deal with patients under 18, but the precedent is terrifying nonetheless.

[alarimer]

29. But THAT is unconstitutional

I believe that the right to travel cannot be infringed, for whatever reason. Besides how would they enforce it? Wouldn't it be easy to temporarily move (like for a week) to some friend's house in another state? Or would they actually check driver's licenses. What would the penalty be for the clinic in, say, Minnesota?

[savemefromdumbya]

32. I guess they have these no fly lists

[lastliberalintexas]

61. What is unconstitutional is determined by the Court

So if we have a Court willing to overturn Roe, do you really think they'd find any such corollary legislation unconstitutional? If so, you are far more optimistic than I.

[alarimer]

76. I don't know

I actually read about the so-called right to travel when I was researching something unrelated to Roe v. Wade. Personally, I would just lie my ass off about my reasons for traveling. How would they know? It is not as if there are guards at state borders.

It just seems impossible to enforce such a travel ban.

[Bridget Burke]

35. The only way the Irish government knew of that "violation"...

Was when a young rape victim was going to England for the procedure. Her parents asked the authorities if tissue sample should be saved for the investigation & the abortion was "forbidden." (She got one, anyway.)

Abortion is still mostly illegal in the Republic, although many are fighting for choice. Contraception & Divorce were illegal not long ago. Irish women still go to England; there's really no way they can be stopped.

"Irish women" includes those living in the North. Abortion is legal in England, Scotland & Wales, but is highly restricted in Northern Ireland.

[NashVegas]

60. That's What Ohio's Proposed Law Would Do

I don't see how that is not a direct violation of the 14th amendment.

[Beaverhausen]

22. It's not that easy for some women to travel to other states

What you will see is women taking things into their own hands.

[guruoo]

31. And some states could make that a crime....

as they have with "aiding and abetting" the transportation
of a minor across state lines for the purpose of
terminating a pregnancy.

[femrap]

53. Boy if I could get my hands on the 47 law makers who

voted to force compulsory motherhood on rape or incest victims, their dicks would be tied in knots.

[Maddy McCall]

67. I don't agree...

Women will go to other states...sometimes it's just as easy (and closer) to go to a clinic in a neighboring state as it is to visit the sole clinic in the homestate. South Dakota, like Mississippi, has only one abortion provider.

[bettyellen]

80. it's in the biggest city in SD, where something like 18% of all

south dakotans live. but, you're right, it's no bother for them, they got all the time and money in the world....
if it's good enough for mississippi, right?

[guruoo]

30. Outsourcing - it's the 'American way'

Abortion cruise anyone? :freak:

[Zodiak]

51. That's brilliant!!

I would be horrified if we ever get to "abortion cruises", but I can see this as a good way to have SOME option other than self-nficted abortion.

By the way, two large trucks rode around the campus of the largest university in the country today with gigantic aborted fetuses splayed all over them, followed by a campus cop. The anti-choicers are getting more and more bold. They see that this is their big chance to put women back decades in this country.

[guruoo]

82. Which will soon be followed by...

compassionate gunboat diplomacy.

[lastliberalintexas]

62. So now the US is Poland, eh?

[SillyGoose]

11. They are hoping for a SCOTUS challenge.

Supporters are pushing the measure in hopes of drawing a legal challenge that will cause the US Supreme Court to reverse its 1973 decision legalizing abortion.

No exemption for rape or incest is exceptionally cruel treatment for a woman who has suffered the trauma of a sexual assault. :grr:

[apnu]

21. And that's why a SCOUTS challenge here will fail.

Even with Roberts and Alito, they'd be signing the death warrant of the GOP if they overturned Roe and didn't have an exception for rape and incest.

Won't fly. If they want to over turn Roe (I still can't understand the fundie thinking there) they'll have to be more subtle than that.

[Hobarticus]

24. Absolutely. This is the 500-lb gorilla in the corner for the GOP...

They've promised to high heaven to restrict RvW, been doing it since Reagan, but they also know that the overwhelming majority of Americans favor choice. Now it looks like the chickens have come home to roost, and they're forced to make good on their deal with the anti-choice crowd and risk alienating three-quarters of the American electorate.

[apnu]

28. Right, and politicians being what they are...

... they'll choose to keep their jobs (and thusly flip-flop for the GOP) than take that risk.

[guruoo]

48. Might that be their plan...

for this one to fail setting the stage
for a "compromise" law whose only
differance would be the addition of and
exception for the life of the mother?

[Freedom_from_Chains]

14. The American Taliban hard at work. EOM

[xxqqqzme]

17. Couldn't the reservations 'host' clinics?

Don't reservations have their own national laws?

Just asking.

[Roland99]

19. Should get overturned by a State SC or the SCOTUS

[Beaverhausen]

23. Oh how nice of them to allow abortions if a woman is dying

but if you are raped by your priest or your step-father or whoever...well, tough luck.

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[VegasWolf]

26. Nice, huh? They probably had to fight to allow a woman to save her

life. Assholes.

:sarcasm:

[Hobarticus]

27. What did these women do to entice their stepfathers or priests?

How can these men be held accountable when women doth tempt them so? That'll be next, just you wait.

Disgusting. Utterly disgusting. Welcome to the fifteenth century.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[guruoo]

34. Have you seen this?

Schlafly: "A man's life has been sacrificed, and three children have been denied their father by malicious feminists who have lobbied for laws that punish spousal rape just like stranger rape and deny a man the right to cross-examine his accuser. They have created a judicial system where the woman must always be believed even though she has no evidence, one in which the man is always guilty...
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/02/09.html#a7093

[Hobarticus]

58. Hot circle of hell awaiting that harpy...n/t

[MaraJade]

86. She probably believes that married women deserve to be beaten up too. . .

What a self-hating disgrace to womanhood. Marriage vows do not erase the spousal right to personal integrity. Married people have the right to say no to sex, and any case where the "wanting" spouse doesn't hear that "No" is clearly sexual assault.

This woman is a fool. I wish I could send her back to the fourteenth century where she belongs.

[CornField]

33. Wow... only because of death... wow

You'd think they'd want to protect our ability to reproduce, but I guess not.

You'd think they'd want to protect women from being on dialysis for the rest of the lives, but I guess not.

You'd think people who are elected as representatives would have to take a basic intelligence test, but I guess not.

As this bill is written, not even the US Supreme Court as-is will uphold it.

[Beaverhausen]

36. This thread needs some votes to get on the greatest page

to remind all the "Roe won't be overturned" folks that there are plenty out there who are going to try.

[noshenanigans]

38. I had an abortion last week.

I did.. the first and only time I've been put in that position. I do not have insurance so I had to go to Planned Parenthood. I'm very lucky (and I've said this many times in the past 2 weeks- 2 of the hardest weeks of my life) that I'm in California and this choice has been able to stay my business. It is enough to deal with a hard choice and the physical and emotional rollercoaster I've gone through even though I knew I was making the right choice for me.

In the waiting room, though, it was sobering. It was filled with these kids.. some of these girls were 16... the girl sitting next to me was there with her best friend and they were talking about the prom. My cousin was her age when she had her first child, and now she lives in a trailer and is a trainee manager at Burger King. She just never had a chance, because where I grew up in rural North Carolina, there's not an option. Her poor kids are so emotionally traumatized because they were raised by parents who were not ready to have kids (the 4 year old fed the baby because my cousin liked to sleep in) and are at such a disadvantage. Compare this to my sister who had a planned baby that is the most loved, cherished, and happy child I have ever has the pleasure of holding (Seriously, he's amazing) and in such a different place because he was wanted.. he is loved and cared for.

It kills me that women in South Dakota would have to go through so much to make a choice that they are entitled to. It's not the right choice for some women (when I was there a woman actually changed her mind and decided to have her baby. I was glad- because it was her choice) but it's criminally harmful to the children that are brought into the world and kept by parents who do not love them or want them or cannot give them a good life.

[Beaverhausen]

42. Thank you for sharing your story.

It is certainly not an easy choice or an easy thing to go through. :hug:

We need to make sure abortion is kept safe and legal for all women. Everywhere.

[noshenanigans]

45. I was initially so loathe to talk about it..

Being the techno geek I am, I went online after I found out I was pregnant because I wanted to do research and just find stories and know what I was getting into. Stupidly I just did some searches and ended up tangled in the AWFUL web of sites that are all about lies and scare tactics and bullying. It was so hard to find just women's stories and reassurance that everything's going to be okay and that it's safe. So, I'm really trying to come out from under that stigma, just in case someone else out there needs the kind words or hug that I was looking for.

Thanks! :hug:

[femrap]

54. I hate that our society is trying to make women feel like criminals if

they decide to have an abortion. It's no one's business. When I had mine, I felt complete RELIEF. I was so grateful that abortion was legal and safe. But I had to fight with the asshole MALE protestors outside the clinic...it's funny now looking back.

This was back in the early '80's and I had no idea that there would be protestors there until the evening before the procedure when I sat down to read the instructions that PP had provided me. On the back, they said not to be alarmed if there were protestors...just look for PP staff in bright orange vests. So I drive there and damned if a couple of protestors (I found out later) took the parking space I had my eye on.

And there is quite a crowd of protestors...mostly male. And the males were making a lot of noise. If I weren't such a strong-willed person, I can see how very intimidating it could be. But they really pissed me off...anyway, the PP staff see me and come to get me while one of the ugliest looking males I have ever seen in my life heads toward me and starts calling me a sinner...blah blah blah. I screamed in his face (and I mean we were eye to eye)...if you don't get your fucking ugly dick out of my way, I am gonna cut that litlle thing off right now...you hear?

Well, it was like the parting of the Red Sea....of course I needed 2 valium to calm down....but damn was I ever angry! How dare some ugly asshole tell me how to live my life.

And then they're there when you leave as well....no one bugged me when I left.

Sometimes I think that these ugly males know that the only way they will ever impregnate someone is by rape. And that's why they insist on the law excluding rape. And I am sure if women made the rules that, at minimum, all rapists would have their dicks tied in a knot...at least if he raped again, he couldn't impregnate.

If we don't get * impeached and the dems fighting like mad hens, roe is history. In fact, with 'i-lie-too,' I think it is already too late....

Don't let anyone make you feel that you made the wrong decision by having an abortion....! Fuck 'em....better yet....don't fuck 'em...may they never get fucked again!

[Megahurtz]

70. Haha!

Good Post!:7

[ninkasi]

73. Here's mine...

:hug: I'm so glad you were able to exercise your freedom to choose what was best for you. It couldn't have been easy, but it was your decision, and I believe that it is every woman's right to make the same decisions for herself. I'm sick and tired of MEN dictating what we can, and can not, do with our bodies.

Earlier today, I read that women in Iraq can now be stoned for adultery. The world will never be free, until women are free, too. Can you imagine the outcry if a bunch of women had the power to decide when a man may, or may not be able to take Viagra?

Anyway, I applaud your courage in telling us your story. I truly wish you the best, and if you ever decide to bear a child, I hope that it's because you've made the decision to do so yourself. Good luck, and another hug for good measure. :hug:

[Divine Discontent]

46. ugh... sorry you had to do that, I pray for your heartache in coping...

I wish every woman would give up the baby but that's THEIR choice, not mine, and for the state up north to RAILROAD through a 100% BAN on abortion, regardless of RAPE and INCEST (YIKESSSSS GROSS!) shows just what the Bushies have planned in the coming years

[SlipperySlope]

39. Actual text of house bill HERE

I always like to read the text of proposed statutes myself, instead of letting someone else interpret them for me. In this case, I agree that the description of the bill is spot on with what it actually says:


http://legis.state.sd.us/sessions/2006/bills/HB1215p.htm

[YOY]

40. Instead of creating a world where no woman would want an abortion but

still had the right to have one without fear of societal repercussion they decide to outlaw it all together because 'no one want's to murder babies." Reality is above and beyond these twats.

[SlipperySlope]

43. Instant loophole!

This law will do nothing to prevent abortion, because it has a "save the life of the mother" exemption. Conversations like this will become commonplace:


Doctor: Hello Ms. Smith, what can I do for you?

Woman: Hello Doctor. I'm pregnant, but I've certain that if I have this child, it will grow up to be a moody teenager who will someday murder me in my sleep.

Doctor: No problem then, in order to save your life we have no choice but to terminate the pregnancy.

Instant loophole! Problem solved!

:sarcasm:

[jahyarain]

44. my view

http://www.siouxcityjournal.com/articles/2006/02/10/news/latest_news/d375a5f99c8cba1786257111004d7606.txt


"We now know about DNA. We now know about the fact that that child has a DNA, a set of genes that is separate from the mother's. It is not just some tissue in the mother. It basically has it's own identity," Rep. Roger Hunt, R-Brandon said.

one of my greatest contentions in this debate has always been "a mass of tissue is not a person". How is he arriving at DNA = human being? i'm very serious. if anyone has knowledge of this, either way, could you please explain it to me? thanks!

[Baconfoot]

47. Yeah I have heard this. There are two versions:A stupid one and a not AS

This is a reconstruction, but I have heard something like this several times.
Stupid Version
P1 An entity's DNA determines precisely what individual it is.
P2 (From P1) An entity's DNA determines precisely what KIND of individual it is.
P3 The DNA of a mother is diffferent from the DNA of her child.
P4 (From P1 and P3) The mother and child are different entities.
P5 Each human entity has certain rights upon which other human entities cannot encroach without sufficient reason (which may be impossible in the case of certain rights).
P6 (From P1) If you have human DNA you are a human entity.
P7 Fertilized eggs have human DNA.
P8 (From P6, P7) Fertilized eggs are human entities.
P9 (From P5, P8) Fertilized eggs have certain rights upon which other human entities cannot encroach without sufficient reason (which may be impossible in the case of certain rights).
P10 One of these rights mentioned in P5 is the right not to have your existence terminated.
CONCLUSION: Fertilized eggs have the right not to have their existence terminated.

Why is this stupid?
1)P1 is false. In fact, in the case of identical twins a single fertilized egg turns into two distinct individuals. That's all you need for P1 to be false.
2)P2 might be false depending on what you think kinds are. Even if problem number one were taken care of, P2 might still be false because identical twins do not share all the properties you might think members of a kind of human being should share. THey may for example have different personalities or even different genetic diseases (because you can sometimes get expression in one twin but not the other).
3)I used the term entity but whatever plausibility premise 5 of the "Stupid argument" has trades off intuitions we have about human beings, not mere entities. A basketball coated with DNA woudl be an entity as the term is used in P1-4. (Although, unsurprisingly, P1 would also turn out false of a basketball coated with DNA.)
4)For the same reason, P6,P8 P9 and P10 are very misleading and using them to get to a conclusion requires an ellision of "entity" and "entity possessing certain rights as against other entities" which is ultimately unsustainable because they do NOT want to say that e.g. the skin or drop of blood I leave on the floor has the same rights as a human being. It

The not AS stupid version is almost identical except that it changes P1 into something like:
P1* P1 The DNA of an entity which began as a fertilized egg and which has divided beyond the point that identical twinning ever occurs determines precisely what individual the entity is.

The rest of the argument is revised accordingly.

[Megahurtz]

49. Oh Fuck Them!

:grr: These assholes think that women and children are their property!:mad:

Holy crap, this is something like right out of the fucking Middle Ages!

I guess now they'll be doing "Witchunts" on all "perpetrators".
BOYCOTT South Dakota!:argh:

If I lived there, I would fucking MOVE!:mad:

[femrap]

57. One of the 22 lawmakers who voted against this bill should

sponsor another bill that requires lawmakers who limit abortion to: 1. Have vasectomies, if male. 2. Adopt a minimum of 2 unwanted children.

And why we're at....why not a big fat law against IRRESPONSIBLE EJACUALTION? Sounds reasonable to me.

[Megahurtz]

63. Ha! Perfect!

And also, why don't we just ban Viagra now that we're at it
and turn them into a bunch of Limp Dicks lol! :sarcasm:

[femrap]

66. Prescriptions for Viagra should only be filled for WOMEN!

And gay men, I guess. Of course that might be kinda tricky to enforce...

Your limp dick comment reminded me of something I read today in the WaPo...columnist Dan Froomkin had asked readers to send in questions that they would like to ask w...and today he printed a number of them...the last one was priceless:

WHAT WAS THE BULGE, REALLY?

I bet w is throwing a fit!

[Megahurtz]

71. LOL!!!

:rofl:

[lastliberalintexas]

64. Though I'm normally fairly libertarian in my views,

I really like your proposal for forced adoption legislation. :)

[katty]

55. SD House Approves Abortion Ban

source: http://www.keloland.com/NewsDetail2817.cfm?Id=0,45916

02/10/2006
SD House Approves Abortion Ban
The South Dakota House has passed a bill that would nearly ban all abortions in the state, ushering the issue to the state Senate.

Supporters are pushing the measure in hopes of drawing a legal challenge that will cause the US Supreme Court to reverse its 1973 decision legalizing abortion.

The bill banning all abortions in South Dakota was passed 47-to-22 in the House.

Amendments aimed at carving out exemptions for rape, incest and the health of women were rejected.

[slackmaster]

65. Words fail me - recommended

:argh:

[zanne]

68. That's worse than the the pre-Roe V. Wade days.

Back then, at least, there were exceptions for the health of the mother, and rape and incest. These sadistic wingers want women to be the prisoners of their attackers by being forced to carry and deliver their offspring.

[madmark]

69. assuming this becomes law and it goes up to the SC and roe

gets overturned; it will be a tragedy for the sd women negatively impacted; and it will ironically cause Republicans to lose power across the board in this country. If abortion reenters the popular arena and the republicans can no longer safely rail about it with nothing actually happening they will be crushed at elections.

[roguevalley]

74. may all their daughters get knocked up with do or die pregnancies.

edit upon reflection: I don't want the voters daughters to get pregnant. Poor little babies. I will settle for all of them, daughters and fathers to get syphilis. there. I feel better. :evilgrin:

[strangemedicine]

75. So frightening.

An acquaintance went to Pierre (SD capitol) before the vote to protest. She described a group of legislators who would not listen. She was virtually ignored. If you did not agree with these people, you didn't count. She was not alone.

My mother worked as a volunteer for the Planned Parenthood office here in town several years ago. They were recipients of a bomb threat while she was there. Protesters wait outside the office every single day the clinic is open.

Across from the clinic is a furniture store owned by the same influential family for fifty years. He allows the anti choice protesters to use the land in front of the store to protest. Every morning, all of his employees must pray with the owner before they begin a work day. This is the reality of my town.

I am so saddened to be living in my beloved state. My great grandparents, my grandparents and my parents gave proverbial blood, sweat and tears to provide for their families here. I am proud of all of them ... they were all as just and filled with integrity as a human being can be ... those who have passed would not recognize what has happened here. My grandmothers would not ever turn away someone in need, even though they raised their own food and sometimes had next to nothing. My grandfathers would work as hard for a neighbor in need as for himself and his family.

True, we are a fiscally conservative people; but here have been born and raised great populist democrats -- Humphrey, McGovern and Daschle. Here have a tradition of Democratic giants, I think, and that has passed into the west.

But ... I'm not giving up. None of us can afford to ever give up.

[Name removed]

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[High Plains]

79. I'm registered to vote there, but I can't stand to actually reside

there for any period of time.

There are a lot of fundamentalists, lots of Christian schools. Farmers have anti-abortion billboards in their cornfields. My local shoe repairman has pictures of aborted fetuses all over his wall. This is a state that found Tom Daschle too liberal, a state where the Democratic senator, Tim Johnson, voted for Alito, and where the sole congressperson, Steph Herseth, is barely a Democrat, very conservative. This is a state that thinks Democrats want to make them all marry gay guys and burn American flags at the weddings.

On the other hand, the air is pretty clean.

And I have a house in Yale, SD, I'll sell you for $20,000.

[Name removed]

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[dflprincess]

78. Currently, just the logistics of getting an abortion in South Dakota make

it difficult.

The only clinic in the entire state that does them is in Sioux Falls and the doctors are flown in from Minneapolis a couple days a week. If you live in the western part of the state, it's a long drive to get to the clinic.

[progressoid]

81. This sounds familiar. Haven't they tried this before?

Seems to me it never gets through the senate. But I wouldn't ge shocked if it does this time.

[BookemDano]

84. aahhhhh

They are sick f34ks I hope it doesn't happen to one of their daughters then what will they do? I am sure they would fly her to the best clinic somewhere in an undisclosed location all I can hope for is KARMA KARMA KARMA!!!This is a serous issue for me we need to get this out and this should be voted for so more ppl find out about this travesty on womens rites!!