Skinhead Violence on the Rise (Anti-Defamation League)

[RedEarth]

NEW YORK

Hate in America is increasing, according to the Anti-Defamation League.

"It continues to be part of a virus that we have not eliminated, and it affects our society and therefore we need to keep tabs," said Abraham Foxman, national director of the ADL.

Launched this week, the Racist Skinhead Project - www. adl.org/racist_skinheads - highlights ongoing monitoring of skinhead activity, and reports a "significant and troubling" resurgence in such behavior in the United States.

The project, which tracks activity by state and region, finds that the number of these groups is on the rise, as is the number of violent hate crimes carried out by skinheads against Jews, blacks, Hispanics, gays, lesbians and immigrants.

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Among the states being cited as having large, powerful or growing racist skinhead groups are California, Arizona, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Connecticut, Oregon and Washington.

http://www.jewishexponent.com/ViewArticle.asp?ArtID=2360

[Mr_Spock]

1. Bush must be happy

He loves hate.

[Behind the Aegis]

2. I am not at all surprised.

I am sure they feel empowered from all sides.

[MrPrax]

4. What do you mean?

"all sides"... surely you are not suggesting that the 'lefties' that have for decades fought (sometimes literally with these people in MY case)for racism, discrimination, international law, are empowering them, are you?

Why would you smear leftists for consistency?

[Behind the Aegis]

5. I meant what I meant.

There are enablers on the left, as much as there are enablers on the right. Do not think for one moment that bigotry is partisan!

[MrPrax]

6. No their not...

BUT pray tell...what are they enablers of? Just curious...? ;-)

What specific 'bigotry' are say, SHARPIES, promoting? Funny I have meet quite a few and they seem quite dogmatic on this point about ending bigotry?

It's weird everyone else looks out upon the various groups that make up dissent/left/progressive movements in the West and fail to see how these groups, whose very mission statements not only state a active campaign against HATE and BIGOTRY, are enablers?

I have worked for years in these types of groups--funny I have never met anyone, legitmately a part of the movement, to promote bigotry--they are usually quite firm on this subject?

You see a 'soft position'? Where? Are they LYING? Which one's are liars? HUH?

[Behind the Aegis]

9. Huh?

"No their not..." I don't understand who you are referring to. Or are you saying there are no bigots on the "left" side?

As for enablers, take a look around and, perhaps, you will find your ANSWER.

I don't know who SHARPIES are, so I can't comment on that question.

I don't think every group of those 'dissent/left/progressive movements' are enablers. But there are a few 'rogue' elements in every group, no? Or do you think that bigotry only plagues the 'right?'

I can't speak to your experiences, why do you want me to? Have you really never met someone who is actually a liberal, yet in one or two areas, still harbors some bigoted stances?

[MrPrax]

11. Nope...

If their bigots, they're not liberals or on the left side, they're right wing--by definition. It would appear that you are suggesting that personal character defects by individuals are somehow part of some larger organzied movement? That's what your implying?

Hell how fluid to you want to make these political labels?

So it's 'rogue' elements, huh? Which one's? What have they done EXACTLY to enable 'bigotry'?

Unless you got a smoking gun to support your assertion--I suggest you stop smearing the Left on a leftwing board..consistently!!

Post it--give an example...please. You should have NO problem SINCE you have insisted this is correct.

Oh surprising, you claim this exacting knowledge of this issue and you never heard of SHARPies (Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice), but you are pretty sure that there is all this bigotry.

Which left-wing groups are promoting lynching blacks? Which one's?

I know the rightwing supporting US government, which spews bigotry and ignorance all the time, figures Mennonites and Quakers need to be watched?

Is there anything in this communique from the ADL commenting on this? Is the ADL a leftwing group? What about B'ani B'rith? JDL? What's there position on all this illegal war, illegal wiretapping and the blatant state attempt to oppress fundamental rights?

You'd think the ADL would be much more concerned with the ACTUAL gov't promoting bigotry, racism, intolerance than, say, stupid adolenscent teenagers with a Nazi fixation?

I don't feel threaten by these 'tards. I feel threaten by a powerful gov't discarding 'rule of law' in favour of hate and bigotry?

You feel threatened by them, sister?

[Behind the Aegis]

12. What a sad thing.

Bigots only exist on the right? You seem to think so. That is just sad. And, I am not 'smearing' the left, only a few are responsible, except, apparently, to you, they don't really exist.

Because I didn't know of one group, I must know nothing of this issue? That has to be one of the poorest arguments I have ever heard.

Do you think bigotry only comes in physical form? Again, that is just sad.

As for the ADL, why don't you explore their site, they have many things to say about this government and others.

I think bigotry and discrimination at any level, from any side, from any group, is unacceptable. As threatening as governmental discrimination is, there are actions still to be taken. Skinheads and other racists are a real threat to me. As someone who is gay, the government already discriminates against me. I am still free to protest and work for change. However, a group of skinheads beating the shit out of me in an alley is a very real threat. I guess James Byrd should have been more concerned with the government than skinheads. :eyes:

BTW...I am not a 'sister.'

[MrPrax]

13. In other words...

You got nothing...

Figured

[Behind the Aegis]

14. I have plenty...

...but why share with someone who doesn't believe it exists?

ANSWER

[UncleSepp]

16. International Socialist Organization, in the US

Clearly a leftist group, clearly Marxist - and as I have experienced it, not so friendly to Jews. In their case, it seems to be an unholy fusion of Marxist disdain for religion in general, an ignorance about religious people in general, and an opposition to Israel's existence with only the simplest understanding of what Israelis are like. It comes together to create an environment in which it is extremely uncomfortable for a practicing and happy Jew to be, and their agitprop is very easily distorted or misunderstood into crass antisemitism. That's one.

ANSWER has been mentioned as another. The distinction is not clearly drawn between opposition to Israel and opposition to Jews in general at ANSWER events.

It's out there. You may not personally have seen it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

BTW, I think your point about SHARPs is irrelevant. There are specifically leftist, working class, traditional and Socialist skinhead groups to choose from that make a better example of the non-bonehead skins than the SHARPs do.

[MrPrax]

18. A bit off here...

If you have dealt with IS and any of the other sundry nutball Trot variations, you do find there are quite a few Jewish people in those organizations, actually.

But they tend to be the type of Jewish people that really go ballistic if you call them 'self-loathing' and they really get crazy if you attempt to link them with that Zionist canard about 'commie jews give good jews a bad name'

;-)

[UncleSepp]

19. Not off in my experience

"If you have dealt with IS..."

Did you miss the part of my post where I wrote as I have experienced it?

I have dealt with the ISO, been in meetings with them, been at demonstrations with them. That's how I formed the opinion I stated here. I find it a bit irritating and condescending that you'd just overlook that part, and I also find it a bit irritating that you seem to assume you're the only person around who has any experience with the skinhead type of groups.

[Rich Hunt]

22. right you are

The anti-Semites have spread out, infiltrated every side....they think we can't spot them.

They're not really 'on the left' though, they tend to be bitter, cynical pseudo-liberals,
typical WASPs who've been conditioned from birth to shun Jews.

[Coastie for Truth]

15. There are enablers on the Left.

Please read "The Chosen: The Hidden History of Admission and Exclusion at Harvard, Yale, and Princeton" by Jerome Karabel, and the SCOTUS Case - and pay particular attention to which advocacy groups DID NOT participate.

I might add that were literally "dozens of Bakke cases" around the country concerning some of the nation's most prestigious law schools and medical schools.

I might also add that the actions of some "liberal" advocacy groups - with which I am personally generous and from which I did not resign - to take the side of the Nazi marchers in Skokie IL while ignoring both Bakke and the above noted literally "dozens of Bakke cases" around the country concerning some of the nation's most prestigious law schools and medical schools was very disconcerting to me as a progressive (now, go back and re-read Karabel).

Have I responded to your query.

Mr Praxis - didn't notice you were from Canada. Here in the states medical school admission is the road to riches -- and applicants commit murder to get into medical school. I think your health care is much more realistic.

[sasha031]

3. these groups have become empowered by the leadership in US

"The ADL report identifies 110 racist skinhead groups in America, most of which, it says, came into being in the past five years."

their behavior is validated through the divisive politics of the RW, christian fascism, hate radio and TV and the list goes on. they are free to do whatever they want because they vote republican. your damn right they are scary.

law enforcement pursues peaceniks, animal and environmental groups, library records are being confiscated,and the list goes on,they have turned noble causes into criminal behavior.

these are terrifying times...

[Hubert Flottz]

8. It's a reflection of our lawless leaders!

[theHandpuppet]

7. An important site for bookmarking

The Southern Poverty Law Center at http://www.splcenter.org/ tracks these homegrown terrorists.

Edited to add: for the location of the nearest hate group near you, see the SPLC's map: http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp

[951-Riverside]

10. Terrorists?

I'm sorry but a bunch of bald white guys who just want to hang, burn & shoot minorities are not terrorists on the other hand those brown angry people who want to behead, shoot & burn white guys are definitely terrorists! :sarcasm:

[genie_weenie]

17. Does anyone feel the skinheads are products of society?

just asking...

[entanglement]

20. I could go on and on about ADL's misdeeds, but I'll simply

quote Noam Chomsky:

"The ADL has virtually abandoned its earlier role as a civil rights organization, becoming 'one of the main pillars' of Israeli propaganda in the U.S.… These efforts, buttressed by insinuations of anti-Semitism or direct accusations, are intended to deflect or undermine opposition to Israeli policies, including Israel's refusal, with U.S. support, to move towards a general political settlement." (Noam Chomsky, Necessary Illusions)

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