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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 01:28 AM
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(Ken) Starr accused of sending fake clemency pleas
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11283911/

Lawyers for a death row inmate, including former Whitewater independent counsel Kenneth Starr, sent fake letters from jurors asking California’s governor to spare the man’s life, prosecutors said Friday.

The jurors denied they thought Michael Morales deserved clemency because some of the testimony at his trial may have been fabricated, said Nathan Barankin, spokesman for Attorney General Bill Lockyer.

“We showed each person the declaration on their behalf and they all said they didn’t say that,” Barankin said.

San Joaquin County prosecutor Charles Schultz also said the letters sent to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger last week were “untrue” and “pure fiction.”

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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 01:31 AM
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1. of course, this makes us wonder what else he fabricated



Cher

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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 01:33 AM
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2. Just when I think I no longer can be shocked
I am shocked.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 01:43 AM
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3. Well, one of the lawyers is quoted saying he thinks that...
the jurors got cold feet when they saw people with BADGES and GUNS show up at their houses and lied to prosecutors immediately, denying they ever made such statements.

Uh, okay. So everyone's accusing the jurors of lying.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 03:46 PM
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28. Yep, all five.
Five of them, every one, one at a time, presumably without knowing what the others had said, got cold feet and denied it. That certainly doesn't seem very likely. On the other hand the idea that Starr and Senior would fake five of six sworn statements - statements which could be easily checked - seems pretty far-fetched also. I'm wondering if we're getting the whole story here. It doesn't say if anyone interviewed the sixth juror or, if they did, what he said.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 01:46 AM
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4. That's not FAKE, that's forgery and FRAUD. It may also be obstruction
of justice and could it also be jury tampering in some manner?

Who's going to prosecute Ken Starr?

Boy, that would be icing on the cake.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 01:55 AM
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5. Your questions need not be rhetorical
The answer to the second, should he determine that the jurors weren't lying to the police (uh, wouldn't that put them in far more danger than telling the truth?...), would be Attorney General Bill Lockyer.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 04:53 AM
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13.  That's what I'm seeing also. /nt
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pa28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 04:27 PM
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29. Sounds like mail fraud.
Ken Starr, the guy who uses illegal tactics to accomplish his objectives.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:10 PM
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33. Send him off to jail!!
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 11:48 PM
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37. Who's going to prosecute Ken Starr?
Bill Clinton just got his law license back. He would make a great special prosecutor.
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Punkingal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 01:59 AM
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6. Starr will just blame the investigator...
Like a true Republican. Pretend he knew nothing.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 02:35 AM
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7. No, no the "librul media" is the culprit here
Obviously a MoveOn smear.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 04:14 AM
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11. I think you mean: Bill Clinton did it.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:17 AM
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19. More like: Bill Clinton's dick did it. n/t
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Senator Obama Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 02:36 AM
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8. What possible interest does
Ken Starr have in saving a death row innmate? Makes little sense that he'd stick his neck out like this for an ordinary guy sitting on death row. Anybody got any inside scoop here?

Obama
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 02:48 AM
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9. There's this.
The clemency petition was co-written by Kenneth Starr, now dean of the Pepperdine University Law School and formerly a federal judge and the special prosecutor in the impeachment of President Bill Clinton.

Starr was among the lawyers who persuaded Virginia Gov. Mark Warner to grant clemency to condemned inmate Robin Lovitt in November on the grounds that a court clerk had destroyed evidence that might have cast doubt on his guilt.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/01/28/BAGHUGUQL61.DTL

___
Cognitive disonance. It simply isn't what I would expect from the man who investigated the Blow Job Scandal.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 03:20 AM
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10. Starr suffers from the lawlessness arrogance of the GOP
They just assume now under W that they can get away with it.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 11:13 AM
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23. Maybe he is trying to atone for his previous big mistake.
If he hadn't destroyed the Democrats/Clinton (as having lousy values) with his witch hunt....the Thugs wouldn't have gotten in power. So he is indirectly responsible for all the murder this administration has committed. He is also responsible for all the horror, loss of freedoms, and all that's angered the Muslims and the rest of the world by being responsible for getting people to vote bush* into office. He knows that without him going after Clinton...the world wouldn't be in the state it is. The man has a lot to be forgiven for but he's trying. I hope God never forgives him and his evil attack on Clinton. Nothing he can do can make up for that.
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Senator Obama Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 05:36 PM
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30. Amen to that...
From a true conservative perspective though, I do understand why Starr would intervene in the virginia case you site.

Obama
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 12:50 PM
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41. are you sen. Obama or a fan of his?
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 05:27 AM
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15. Thinking that I know a bit of human nature;
I would venture that the person has or knows someone that has a large amount of money. The rest is speculation.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 07:17 AM
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20. There may be something to what you're saying!
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 01:30 PM
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25. first glance at your tag-photo had me thinking "M-Bagel?" "M-Bagel?"
:wtf:

then it hit me - that's no bagel... doh!

:dunce:


M-peach!

Maybe I should reconsider swearing off the caffeine?

:toast:
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CAcyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 03:15 PM
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27. Well, I saw the peach and thought "mmmm, peach"
Funny, I swore off the caffeine,too.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:09 PM
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32. LOL!
guess you were hungrier than me perhaps!

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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 12:58 PM
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42. LOL!!! M-Bagel! Does make me want one, though...
Hilarious!!!

:toast: :yourock: :headbang: :evilgrin:
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 04:31 PM
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43. glad it gave you a laugh!
:hi:
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 08:10 AM
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21. They were just being 'good' attorneys
amorality knows no political boundary.
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Senator Obama Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 05:40 PM
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31. But that's just it...
These guys are intervening on the side of the defendant. They are insuring our process works. When a known hard righter does this, something's got to be stinky with the process.

Obama
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 07:44 PM
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34. so, what's crossing the line
Edited on Sat Feb-11-06 07:46 PM by formercia
between fighting for your client and committing a criminal act? There has to be a point where an attorney's behavior is out of bounds, no matter how good the motive. We see this again and again in this administration where the end, however noble, justifies the means, however unsavory.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 08:11 PM
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44. It had to be that someone with political strings pulled at Star's
corporate lackey nonexistent heart.All this corruption disgusts me. He's Rove's mirror image.Cloning of his reptile spirit is rampant in the republican power party.:puke:
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 04:33 AM
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12. This may be their firewall.


"Kathleen Culhane, the San Francisco private investigator who Starr and Senior said had interviewed the jurors, declined to comment."
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 05:25 AM
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14. I was just reading that and decided to do a search;
I would not call it proof positive that there is a higher power, but I would say it recommends the eastern philosophy that says there are competing forces in life and eventually you'll get yours! I hope Starr gets what he deserves! What a nasty human being he is.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 05:31 AM
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16. lol -- sometimes -- if you live long enough --
life is sweet.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 05:33 AM
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17. Why, if he wasn't a Republican...
that would be a crime!
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:06 AM
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18. history repeats itself?
didn't the selling of indulgences lead to the reformation?
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 01:38 PM
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26. YES!
Maybe the Democrats should post a list of the wrongdoings of this Administration on the White House door, a la Martin Luther.

(The WH does have REALLY BIG DOORS, doesn't it? Just thinking now about the length of that list ...)
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 08:29 AM
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22. Sounds like Ken has had his own Monica moment.
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f-bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 11:16 AM
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24. Starr a wingnut darling...
it just goes to show all them assholes are a bunch of crooked lying thieving bastards!
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 09:20 PM
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36. Well Said!!!
:toast:
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f-bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 12:54 AM
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45. Thank you!
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 08:48 PM
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35. K&R n/t
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 01:09 AM
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38. funny how things like this seem to come around and bite ya in the ass.
Edited on Sun Feb-12-06 01:13 AM by Az_lefty
peace...
:shrug:
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banana republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 04:56 AM
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39. HAS ANYONE COMPLAINED TO THE BAR ASSN?????
Edited on Sun Feb-12-06 04:58 AM by banana republican
This could cost him in license to practice "law"

(as if he did n the frist place)
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 11:25 AM
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40. Uh, isn't that, like, illegal? More illegal than say, a blowjob?
Redstone
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