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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 04:30 PM
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US prepares military blitz against Iran's nuclear sites
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/12/wiran12.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/02/12/ixnewstop.html

Strategists at the Pentagon are drawing up plans for devastating bombing raids backed by submarine-launched ballistic missile attacks against Iran's nuclear sites as a "last resort" to block Teheran's efforts to develop an atomic bomb.

Central Command and Strategic Command planners are identifying targets, assessing weapon-loads and working on logistics for an operation, the Sunday Telegraph has learnt.

They are reporting to the office of Donald Rumsfeld, the defence secretary, as America updates plans for action if the diplomatic offensive fails to thwart the Islamic republic's nuclear bomb ambitions. Teheran claims that it is developing only a civilian energy programme.

"This is more than just the standard military contingency assessment," said a senior Pentagon adviser. "This has taken on much greater urgency in recent months."

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MsKandice01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 04:32 PM
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1. "Last resort" my ass...
War is ALWAYS a first resort with these chickenhawks.
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Akoto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 04:35 PM
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2. Indeed.
Edited on Sun Feb-12-06 04:36 PM by Akoto
I'm sure this is the same "emergency" situation that drew us into Iraq, where we found abso-frickin'-lutely nothing but blood and loss for both sides.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 04:43 PM
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4. Come now - why so grim?
The blood isn't flowing from bush's core constituency - the wealthy corporations - and hey, so far the Afghan/Iraq adventure has made loads of great photo ops for the preznit, right?

And it made loads of $$$ for cheney/bush and their friends so it has to be a good thing.

:sarcasm:
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twaddler01 Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 05:48 PM
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17. my thoughts exactly n.t
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maryallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 04:40 PM
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3. Which American newspapers have run this story?
None that I know of ...
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 04:51 PM
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6. Published by Rupert Murdoch's tabloid
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fedsron2us Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 05:44 PM
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16. The Daily Telegraph is is a conservative newpaper
Edited on Sun Feb-12-06 05:45 PM by fedsron2us
but it is not owned by Rupert Murdoch. It is a broadsheet not a tabloid. The paper is well connected to the British armed forces who often use it to flag up their concerns about possible military initiatives planned by the UK government. My reading of the story is that the British commanders are worried that the US is going to attack Iran and that Blair will back them. This will place British troops stationed in the South of Iraq in a very vulnerable position.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 04:45 PM
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5. Looks like the end of March for the bombing. Must blow up Iran before
the oil bourse at the end of March. I can picture Dictator 43 in the oval office pounding his fist, MUST blow up Iran, MUST blow up Iran.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 05:14 PM
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9. Article looks like propaganda...talks about a two year timetable.....
Read it to the last paragraphs. It's meant to try to get the Iranians to overthrough...what's his name Amanadagene (sp).

Murdoch/PsyOps.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 07:21 PM
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18. Pentagon has plans for most contingencies. I think this article is over
the top.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 05:26 PM
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12. Russia's KGB says March 28th to mark elections
in Israel.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 08:08 PM
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20. The New Moon is on the 29th of March
Edited on Sun Feb-12-06 08:23 PM by happyslug
If you are planning Air operations you want the Dark of the moon. That is the 29th of March. Thus if the US attacks on the 28th you have 3-4 days of almost no moon. This is aided by the fact that on the 29th the Moon raises just before sunrise and sets just before sunset, you have even less light than other NEW Moons. This is do to the fact that in that week for all practical purposes the moon and sun raise and sets together (Off by a few minutes and changes over time, but you have less light at night than any other time of the month).

Unlike Ground operations which tends to start on the full-moon, Air operations tend to start on the New Moon. The reason for the difference is that night vision goggles enhance what light is available. Star light is often good enough to detect someone moving, or walls or other tall obstacles , but when it comes ot holes, Ditches and other ground level obstacles, for night vision to detect such holes and ditches you need something to light up the internal of the Hole the Ditch or other obstacles. The best thing to light up these holes and ditches is Moonlight for it is NOT a source of light that the other side can detect and fire at. Lasers are #2, but can be detected by the enemy using night vision goggles also (and thus can be fired upon). Flairs are #3 (Lights up the whole area, but everyone sees it and can use the light from the flare), fourth is interred light (but like Lasers can be detected and by anyone with a WWII era inter red light detector, not hard to make let alone obtain in addition Starlight scopes), fifth is a regular light with a red filter (Design to keep the light down to the minimal needed) and fifth is a regular light (Which anyone can see and use, including the enemy).

AS you can see Ground operations generally take place on the full moon. On the other hand air operations do NOT have ot worry about holes and ditches. With GPS can drop a bomb or missile on a target without even seeing the target. Thus an air attack doe snot need light and thus best done in the Dark of the Moon where the enemy has the least light to detect the plane of even if it is being attacked.

Thus the reason for the attack set for March 28th is to take advantage of America's advantage in night attack capability (Including GPS, Terrain guidance technology, Night Vision technology, and even radar guidance technology) over the Iranian superior knowledge of their own terrain.


The following information is provided for Iran (longitude 51 degree, 25 Minutes East, 35 Degree, 41 Minutes North and it si +3.3 Greenwich mean time):

Tuesday
28 March 2006 Universal Time + 3:30

SUN
Begin civil twilight: 05:32 (5:32 AM)
Sunrise: 05:57 (5:57 AM)
Sun transit: 12:09 hours
Sunset: 18:22 (6:22 PM)
End civil twilight: 18:48 (6:48 PM)

MOON
Moon-set 16:05 (5:05 PM on March 27th) on preceding day
Moon-rise 05:20 (5:20 AM)
Moon transit: 11:14 Hours
Moon-set: 17:19 (5:19 PM)
Moon-rise: 05:49 (5:49 AM on March 29th) on following day

Phase of the Moon on 28 March: waning crescent with 2% of the Moon's visible disk illuminated.

New Moon on 29 March 2006 at 13:47 (Universal Time + 3:30).


US Navy Sight for Moonlight and Sunlight for any Location:
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/RS_OneDay.html#formb

Latitude and Longitude for Iran (and other Countries and Cites see:
http://www.bcca.org/misc/qiblih/latlong_oc.html#IRAN
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 09:32 PM
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21. good time to start planting
things underground.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 04:52 PM
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7. dupe
Previously posted in LBN by SillyGoose and subsequently locked by mod:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2101759
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 05:06 PM
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8. Yes - and I alerted soon after this was posted
and the earlier thread was quite the flame fest...

Mobutu lives...

:)
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warsager Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 05:20 PM
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10. Do any of you think the US will
Edited on Sun Feb-12-06 05:21 PM by warsager
actually attack Iran? The consequences seem far to uncertain and horrendous, regardless of whatever supposed 'military might' the US may possess. I can not believe that even this administration would go this far. Thoughts?
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 05:24 PM
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11. Yes - they are sociopaths, will stop at nothing...
and will use the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to protect the US economy from any oil shock that might arise from this misadventure.

Bombs away in March....

:nuke:
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warsager Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 05:41 PM
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14. But
I was reading yesterdays posting of this same thing, there were 260 replies before it was locked. I was quite shocked at what I was reading regarding some peoples apparant belief that the US military has the military might to just bomb Iran and....and then what??

This makes no sense whatsoever. Not even a tiny bit. No country should be expected to get bombed and just sit there and take it. I won't predict WWIII, but something extremely terrible will happen if the US attacks Iran, and it will include the death of many many people.

What is going on here? This can not be possible. This is the stupidest and scariest thing YET. This (mis)administration has been attempting to instill fear in me (and everyone else) for years now and it has not worked until now.

Iran is nestled between Iraq and Afganistan. Do they think they will take over that chunk of the ME? Run over Jordon and have the entire piece from Israel to China?

Are there other countries in the region that are going to oppose the US occupying ME countries that might have an interest in NOT just letting the US drop bombs?

Let's say the US DID just drop some bombs with NO plans of occupation. Um, like, then what? Hello? Anybody sane out there? Um, like, won't THAT make us 1,000 times LESS SAFE and more in danger of being retaliated against and maybe they might somehow be able to strike back?

Anybody ever heard of unconventional warfare? Some Iranians may just possibly be AS crazy as the * administration, but maybe they aren't as stupid. IS the level of US arrogance actually THIS high as to think that they can out-bomb and out-smart everyone? There are people who can come up with really creative ways to do things, how could you ever underestimate what action/reaction another party will take, especially when you are dealing with life and death situations?

THIS MUST BE TALK. IT CAN NOT BE A REL THREAT.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 05:34 PM
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13. I agree with jpak, they are sociopaths
and they fear no consequences, not even from the weenie Congress!
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dubya_dubya_III Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 07:33 PM
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19. Just in time for the Midterms
Edited on Sun Feb-12-06 08:15 PM by dubya_dubya_III
Dubya must regard this Iranian Shikelgruber as a 'gift from God' LOL

YOU can't be opposed to us mercilessly destabilising and annihilating "precision bombing" Iran, Syria, Tunisia, Algeria, Yemen, Lebanon, Somalia, Sudan, Ethiopia, Egypt, Morocco, Thailand, Indonesia and Libya like criminal cowards from the edge of outer space with depleted uranium dirty "smart bombs" to protect the theft of Jerusalem "Library Tower" !!!

Think of our poor troops.....
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 05:43 PM
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15. Not LBN
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 11:28 PM
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22. locking
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