RawStory: Outed CIA officer was working on Iran, intelligence sources say

[Roland99]

No longer 'Developing...'

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Outed_CIA_officer_was_working_on_0213.html

The unmasking of covert CIA officer Valerie Plame Wilson by White House officials in 2003 caused significant damage to U.S. national security and its ability to counter nuclear proliferation abroad, RAW STORY has learned.

According to current and former intelligence officials, Plame Wilson, who worked on the clandestine side of the CIA in the Directorate of Operations as a non-official cover (NOC) officer, was part of an operation tracking distribution and acquisition of weapons of mass destruction technology to and from Iran.

Speaking under strict confidentiality, intelligence officials revealed heretofore unreported elements of Plame's work. Their accounts suggest that Plame's outing was more serious than has previously been reported and carries grave implications for U.S. national security and its ability to monitor Iran's burgeoning nuclear program.

While many have speculated that Plame was involved in monitoring the nuclear proliferation black market, specifically the proliferation activities of Pakistan's nuclear "father," A.Q. Khan, intelligence sources say that her team provided only minimal support in that area, focusing almost entirely on Iran.

...

WHOA!


Much more at the link.


Gotta keep the Cheney/neocon ties to AQ Khan under wraps.

And, this allows the neocons to control the propaganda surrounding Iran without "interference" from that pesky ol' CIA.

[Ezlivin]

1. We don't need her stinking badge

Everything that Bush needs to know is told to him by sycophants. That's how modern, 21st Century intelligence operates in the US now.

[Matariki]

4. more likely, they are making money off arms deals

and ultimately the ability to go to war with the whole middle east. that's what happens when criminals take over a country.

[katty]

104. right, they are in the Business of War - don't get in their way

[bpilgrim]

100. Cheney put every single American man, woman & child at RISK

when will some one call them on this?

hello... anyone out there?

peace

[dubya_dubya_III]

208. Unregulated CIA Mafia is unconstitutional instrument of tyranny

Obviously the unconstitutional, criminal Noble British controlled MI6-CIA Mafia cannot be trusted to do anything more than destroy America's credibility and respectability around this entire planet and has done more damage to US and world peace and security than any other criminal nation or organization in history.

In the hands of a corrupted servile, incestuous CIA Mafia administration such as this it has become an instrument of tyranny, and the mainspring of all evil on this planet, serving corrupt, greedy military industrial contractors and "neo-christian" fascists hell bent on the 2nd holocaust destruction of Israel with 'kindness', and the manufacturing and ever increasing incitement and promotion of Arab/Muslim outrage at the murderous bloodthirsty tyranny that has ensued over the theft of Jerusalem, and the unremitting, US supported pillage of Palestine.

They most likely even co-engineered and facilitated the 911 attacks using their 'defense contractor' front companies, and had to murder a photo editor and remove damning photographic evidence of their damning criminal treason from the American Media (largest private intelligence gathering operation in the US) offices using US Military Anthrax and CIA Mafia controlled FBI "counter-intelligence' Mafiosi plants. (within days before the faces/identities of the hijackers were to be made public?) Are all Americans this stupid that they cannot see the clear relationship between the CIA Mafia and 911?

Now we hear that the DIA's illegal "Able Danger" operation probably picked the connections up and ever so mysteriously all their data has now been been mysteriously deleted too? LOL

The Neo-Conservative Tory MI6 Episcopal-Fascist so-called "republicans" deliberately orchestrated their Daniel Chapter 8 Show to serve as a "Burn the Reichstag" fascist military coup!

Their goal is the destruction of no less than this entire planet by global thermonuclear war triggered by the "Armageddon Battle" they are engineering. The fanatical "christian" fascist motivation behind this is their desire to prove that their neo-Jesus thingy is the true God, by "conjuring him up" by engineering a conflict in accordance with their fascist apocalyptic dogma of "Revelation"

Are all Americans and Israeli's really this incredibly stupid?


Make no mistake about it, George Bush is a moronic, cowardly, opportunistic, apocalyptic suicidal fascist nutbar determined to take this whole planet down in flames with him.

[EVDebs]

212. Did the Bush admin spike the NSA's investigation of OBL ?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2107650&mesg_id=2108363

The NSA was looking into Islamic charities early and before 9-11. Shortly after 9-11 BushCo spiked the NSA's investigations. Why ? Fitz now can ask himself this question.

Inquiring minds want to know, since an illegal domestic spying program without warrants was enacted either to spy on Saudis OR just Bush's political opponents. Take yer pick.

[dubya_dubya_III]

219. Like they KNOW the phone #'s of their Al Qaida employees :-)

In spite of paying lip service to a two (not three as UN resolutions call for) state 'solution' to the Israel/Jerusalem/Palestine problem, this administration has done absolutely nothing in the last nearly 6 years of any sort whatsopver in any way or manner to force Israel to negotiaite in good faith, and everything possible (including vilifying and overthrowing Saddam Hussein for offering financial support to their surviving families) to paint Palestinian Freedom Fighters as 'terrorists'.

What could be the only reason behind this phony and deceptive policy?

[thecrow]

2. WHOA indeed!!!!

K&R

[sciouscience]

185. Whoa. Hooah! What is it good for? Absolutely nothin'...

message deleted by poster because gist of ca-ca mentioned in subject.

[AuntiBush]

3. You Won't See this on the Tube News, though...

Russet and panel didn't go there last night when mentioning this on Meet the Press, nor does Twee-ty.

Thanks Raw Story & Roland99 for the FYI.

[Wordie]

41. Let's make use of the excellent National News Links in the Research Forum

on this one, and email them until they mention it:
(Note that this list turned out much longer than what I anticipated when I started this post - pick and choose the ones you think would be most likely to investigate and run with this story. Also, it appears that the list may not have been updated in a while. The link to the full list in the Research Forum is at the bottom of the post.)

Associated Press, Sandra Johnson (Washington Bureau Chief), [e-mail]
BBC News, News Online, [e-mail]
(If BBC picks this up, the others are more likely to)
CBS News, 60 Minutes, [e-mail]
CBS News, CBS Evening News, [e-mail]
CBS News, Face The Nation, [e-mail]
CBSnews.com, Dick Meyer (Editorial Director), [e-mail]
CNN Headline News, CNN Headline News, http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form1.html?33
CNN, Anderson Cooper 360, [e-mail]
CNN, Lou Dobbs, [e-mail] (you never know...)
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form1.html?39
CNN, news tips, http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form11.html?1
KCRW-FM, Left Right & Center, [e-mail]
Knight-Ridder Newspapers, Alan Bjerga (Washington Correspondent), [e-mail]
Knight-Ridder Newspapers, Charles Hurt (Washington Correspondent), [e-mail]
Knight-Ridder Newspapers, David Goldstein (Washington Correspondent), [e-mail]
Knight-Ridder Newspapers, Frank Davies (Washington Correspondent), [e-mail]
Knight-Ridder Newspapers, Jim Puzzanghera (Washington Correspondent), [e-mail]
Knight-Ridder Newspapers, Lauren Markoe (Washington Correspondent), [e-mail]
Knight-Ridder Newspapers, Maria Recio (Washington Correspondent), [e-mail]
Knight-Ridder Newspapers, Matt Stearns, [e-mail]
Knight-Ridder Newspapers, Peter Nicholas (Washington Correspondent), [e-mail]
Knight-Ridder Newspapers, Ron Hutcheson (Washington Correspondent), [e-mail]
Knight-Ridder Newspapers, Ruby Bailey (Washington Correspondent), [e-mail]
Knight-Ridder Newspapers, Steve Goldstein (Washington Correspondent), [e-mail]
Knight-Ridder Newspapers, Tom Webb (Washington Correspondent), [e-mail]
Los Angeles Times, Letters to the Editor, [e-mail]
Los Angeles Times, National News Comment,
http://www.latimes.com/services/site/la-comment-dcbureau,0,4392320.htmlstory
Media Matters for America, News Tips, [e-mail]
MoveOn.org, Press Office, http://www.moveon.org/feedback/press /
MSNBC, Chris Matthews, [e-mail]
MSNBC, Don Imus, [e-mail]
There is also this one: Don Imus, Don Imus, [e-mail]
MSNBC, Joe Trippi, [e-mail] (don't know if he is still there)
MSNBC, Keith Olbermann, [e-mail]
MSNBC, Ron Reagan, [e-mail]
MSNBC, Viewer Services, [e-mail]
NBC News, Meet The Press (Tim Russert), [e-mail]
NBC News, Nightly News, [e-mail]
New Republic, Editors, [e-mail]
New York Times, Cory Reiss (Washington Correspondent), [e-mail]
New York Times, Don Van Natta Jr., (Reporter - Washington), [e-mail]
New York Times, Eric Schmitt (Washington Correspondent), [e-mail]
New York Times, Executive Editor, [e-mail]
New York Times, Felicity Barringer (Reporter - Washington), [e-mail]
New York Times, Glen Justice (Reporter - Washington Bureau), [e-mail]
New York Times, John H. Cushman Jr. (Washington Correspondent - Environment), [e-mail]
New York Times, Letters to the Editor, [e-mail]
New York Times, Linda Greenhouse (Washington Correspondent - Supreme Court), [e-mail]
New York Times, Managine Editor, [e-mail]
New York Times, Maureen Dowd, [e-mail]
New York Times, Michael Moss (Reporter Investigative), [e-mail]
New York Times, National News, [e-mail]
New York Times, News Coverage Comments and Suggestions, [e-mail]
New York Times, News Tips, [e-mail]
New York Times, Robert Pear (Reporter - Washington Bureau), [e-mail]
New York Times, Robin Toner, (Reporter - Washington), [e-mail]
New York Times, Stephen Labaton (Washington Correspondent), [e-mail]
New York Times, Steven Weisman, (Correspondent - Washington), [e-mail]
New York Times, Tim Weiner, (Correspondent - Washington), [e-mail]
New York Times, Washington News, [e-mail]
NPR, Comments on NPR Coverage, [e-mail]
NPR, Corrections to NPR Stories, [e-mail]
NPR, Ellen McDonnell (Executive Producer - Morning Edition), [e-mail]
NPR, Ken Rudin (Political Editor), [e-mail]
NPR, Morning Edition, [e-mail]
NPR, Talk Of The Nation, [e-mail]
PBS, NOW, [e-mail]
PBS, The Charlie Rose Show, [e-mail]
PBS, The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer, [e-mail]
Reuters News Service, Editorial Contact Form, http://aboutreuters.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/aboutreuters.c...
Reuters, Feedback - Contact a Reuters Editor, http://www.reuters.com/-helpSection.jhtml?p=contactUs
Reuters, John Whitesides (Political Correspondent), [e-mail]
Reuters, Robert Doherty (Washington Bureau Chief), [e-mail]
Salon, David Talbot (Founder - Editor in Chief and Chief Executive Officer), [e-mail]
Salon, Eric Boehlert (Senior Writer), [e-mail]
Salon, Geraldine Sealey (Senior Editor), [e-mail]
Salon, Jake Tapper, [e-mail]
Salon, King Kaufman (Senior Writer), [e-mail]
Salon, Mark Follman (Associate Editor), [e-mail]
Salon, Michal Keeley (Associate Editor), [e-mail]
Salon, Michelle Goldberg (Senior Writer), [e-mail]
Salon, Sidney Blumenthal (Senior Vice President of Editorial Development/Washington Bureau Chief), [e-mail]
Salon, Tim Grieve (Senior Writer), [e-mail]
Sirius Left, Alex Bennett, [e-mail]
Sirius Left, Doug Stephan, [e-mail]
Sirius Left, Ed Schultz Show, [e-mail]
Sirius Left, Lynn Samuels, [e-mail]
Sirius Left, Peter B. Collins, [e-mail]
Sirius Left, The Young Turks, [e-mail]
Sirius Left, Thom Hartmann, [e-mail]
Slate, Article submission, [e-mail]
Slate, Jacob Weisberg (Editor), [e-mail]
Slate, Letters to the Editor, [e-mail]
Talking Points Memo, Josh Marshall, [e-mail]
The Nation, David Corn (Washington Editor), [e-mail]
The Progressive Magazine, Editorial Department, [e-mail]
Time, Jay Carney (Deputy Washington Bureau Chief), [e-mail]
Time, John Dickerson (White House Correspondent), [e-mail]
Time, Matthew Cooper (White House Correspondent), [e-mail]
Time, Michael Duffy (Assistant Managing Editor - Washington Bureau Chief), [e-mail]
Time, Michael Weisskopf (Senior Correspondent - National Politics), [e-mail]
Time, Norman Pearlstein (Editor-in-Chief), [e-mail]
U.S. News and World Report, Kenneth Walsh (Chief White House Correspondent), [e-mail]
U.S. News and World Report, Washington Whispers (Paul Bedard), [e-mail]
UK Guardian, Emily Bell (Editor in Chief), [e-mail]
UK Guardian, Foreign Desk, [e-mail]
United Press International (UPI), Investigations Desk, [e-mail]
United Press International (UPI), News Tip or Press Release, [e-mail]
United Press International (UPI), Politics Desk, [e-mail]
Washington Post, Full List of Writers, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/interact/longterm/stfbio/wpemail.htm
Washington Post, George Will, [e-mail]
Washington Post, Jim Hoagland, [e-mail]
Washington Post, Letters, [e-mail]
Washington Post, Michael Getler (Ombudsman), [e-mail]

Note that Steve Clemons of the Washington note has already picked up on this! Read his insightful story here:
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/

Here's the link to the entire list:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_oet&address=358x1903

[morffin]

79. Thanks!

For all the great E Mail Links.

[Wordie]

84. You're quite welcome. And welcome to DU, morffin!

:hi:

The folks in the Research Forum are the ones to thank, though. They're the ones who compiled all those links...

[morffin]

116. Thanks Wordy

glad to be here....this place makes me feel sane.

[Trevelyan]

188. Thank you for all the newsmedia email addresses - I pasted it into my

Notepad and will put it on my blogspot to make it easier to contact these people...the addresses I have now are scattered in so many different named files I usually just go to the news site but that is time-consuming waiting for the sites to load.

[Wordie]

238. Those were only some of the ones listed in the DU Research Forum!

And I can't take credit...someone else took all the time to organzize them all.

I posted the link to the Research Forum upthread...check it out for an even more complete list of media contacts!

[savemefromdumbya]

81. Has anyone sent the MSM this?

[Roland99]

109. Drudge has seen fit to ignore this, too.

[EVDebs]

150. Maybe Maureen Dowd would touch this one

she's at [e-mail] I believe.

[SammyWinstonJack]

199. We would if it had happened under a Democratic Administration.

It would be covered 24/7 by the corporate newswhores.

[benburch]

5. The is the BIGGEST story in the whole Plame case.

PUSH THIS STORY.

Blog it EVERYWHERE.

[EVDebs]

8. My vote is cast for the Greatest Page. This story deserves more votes !!!

CIA is no longer 'pesky' with Porter Goss leading a purge of liberal and honest CIA analysts. Hiring will now be done under the conservative bias system, as Time Magazine leaked in Aug 4, 1997, article 'Kingdom Come', with the FBI and CIA having a Mormon hiring preference (page 52). The background checkers who are mostly former agents themselves will hire more and more from only Red States. Utah was around 72% for Bush...

""According to recent polls, including a Washington Post-ABC News poll released over the weekend, Bush's overall approval rating -- once as high as 92 percent just after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 -- is down to 42 percent, with the percentages even lower on specific issues, such as health care, the federal deficit and the war in Iraq.

But within that 42 percent are places where approval of Bush remains high, such as Nebraska, where it's at 55 percent, according to a recent poll, and Idaho, where it's 58 percent. Highest of all, though, at 61 percent, is Utah, which also gave him 71.5 percent of the vote in 2004, the highest of any state.""

Utah Town Has Question About President: 'What's Not to Like?'

By David Finkel
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, January 31, 2006; Page A01
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/30/AR2006013001608.html

[Village Idiot]

43. Try this one for Greatest Page:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=66773

Everything you ever wanted to know about Cheney-Halliburton-A Q Khan is there - read the Sy Hersh New Yorker Article cited - it is very illuminating.

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/content/?040119fr_archive02

[Roland99]

45. Is all of that in the DU Research Forum?

[EVDebs]

76. Archived. Appears so. "American Judas" sums it all up.

Treason, for having promoted the Chalabi/Iranian connection at the expense of THIS country didn't do the US or Israel any good in the long run. The truth will out.

They couldn't have an honest CIA agent working while secretly promoting the treason of Chalabi...

[AntiFascist]

90. Interesting about the Time Magazine article...

CIA has often been nicknamed "Christ In Action". Please note also reports about the influence of Knights of Malta on the CIA. I know of at least 3 independent sources who have written about this.

I've often wondered if there was funny business going on with Iran. It's looking more and more like the administration will need to have proof of nuclear bomb capability, possibly assisted by AQ Khan, in order to go to war with them.

[EVDebs]

124. CIA leadership was Knights of Malta mainly

And July/Aug 1983 archives of Motherjones an article by Martin A. Lee about the KOM and the CIA called

Their Will Be Done
www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1983/07/willbedone.html

Donovan, Angleton, Dulles, Colby, Casey, Gehlen (under Op Paperclip), et al, were KOM. Interestingly, FBI spy Robert Hanssen is an Opus Dei, for what it's worth. Working his way up I guess.

We need to De-Goss the CIA, pun intended.

[AntiFascist]

134. That's an excellent article..

also, don't Knights of Malta swear allegiance to their sovereignty over and above any other allegiances?

[Ouabache]

182. GHW Bu$h is a KOM as well

if my memory is correct. He is one of 'em too. fwiw. fyi.

[AntiFascist]

92. Self delete

[Canuckistanian]

K&R

Let the world know.

[leftchick]

29. yes indeed!

:woohoo:

[katty]

105. EVERYWHERE

[ET Awful]

6. Well that ought to explode a few heads over on FR once it goes

mainstream eh?

[babylonsister]

7. Score! Now no one can dispute how damaging Plame's outing

was! :woohoo: :applause:

[meganmonkey]

9. I'm glad more of this is coming out

But we really need someone to talk about it on the record (I know, wishful thinking).

Much speculation about this in the past, it is good to see some level of confirmation.

Rec'd!

[mzmolly]

10. WHOA, is right.

Political dirty pool takes precident over national security. huh?

[Catherine Vincent]

11. K&R!

[HereSince1628]

12. A couple of thoughts...benign and malignant.

Benign...Obviously this would help in the sentencing phase of any convicted/admitted criminal coming out of Treasongate.

Malignant...Rumsfeld wants to play capture the flag with Bin Laden in the wildlands of Pakistan and Musharaff cuts a deal that protects A.Q. Khan, Pakistan's Dr. Strangelove, by destroying CIA efforts that would have made it impossible to ignore Khan's/Pakistan's contribution to nuclear proliferation?

[stepnw1f]

13. There's the REAL Motive

I knew it for how long now...? DU is an amazing web site.:kick:

"Several intelligence officials described the damage in terms of how long it would take for the agency to recover. According to their own assessment, the CIA would be impaired for up to "ten years" in its capacity to adequately monitor nuclear proliferation on the level of efficiency and accuracy it had prior to the White House leak of Plame Wilson's identity."

Now that's a kicker!

[Nimrod2005]

62. The DEATH PENALTY is the only solution here.....?

Treason during time of war = death penalty?

[stepnw1f]

73. Treason is Treason.. the Law is the Law

But I'd rather see them all pay for their crimes by doing hard-time. Besides, I'm against the Death Penalty.

[Peace Patriot]

86. Nope, I want our money back--the billions 'disappeared' in Iraq, the

$9 billion Enron stole from Calif (and $80 billion total stolen by Tex energy companies), and all the billions we don't know about. And then...

...community service for Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice & Co. (Fantasize about THAT!)

[sciouscience]

187. Steal it back

and DIRECT the fantasies.
i want bush to be poor and desperate, i want cheney to wait in line for a clinic visit. i want rumsfeld to go to BNOC or PLDC for that matter and i want rice to defend her thesis to gorbachev.

[Lochloosa]

14. K/R

[jumpoffdaplanet]

15. Hope Keith O. at msnbc reports it

Otherwise it will never see the light of day in this country.

[EFerrari]

16. Welcome to DU, jumpoffdaplanet!

Let's email it to the show: countdown @ msnbc.com

:hi:

[Ezlivin]

18. Keith is like real news, ain't he?

He reminds me of the early days of Walter Cronkite. I can watch him and know that he's just after the truth, regardless on which side it is.

[Nothing Without Hope]

63. Welcome to DU! You can be one of the people who email him this

story! He has said many times that he values this tips that come in. Here's the email address:

[e-mail]

[supernova]

17. Now that would be an even bigger reason for outing her

If she was ready to say that we were going to war with Iran over the same false info technique that they were using in Iraq.

:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

[EVDebs]

125. What source of enegy is Iran to use in 25 years when the oil runs out?

With 1 trillion barrels of world oil reserves divided by 84 million barrels consumed/day...soon to reach 120 million barrels per day consumed, you've got between 22 to 32 years. Split the difference and say 25-27 years.

Iran should be able to do a peaceful nuclear program if Pakistan can manage one.

[Roland99]

127. It's obvious Iran wants to build a massive stockpile of nuclear warheads

Can't you see the obvious?




:sarcasm:

[EVDebs]

145. The only problem is that the Iranians aren't taking the Russian deal

right now and instead are making things worse. Real dumb mouthing off about the Israelis, too.

But who knows, the Iranians may end up thanking us in the long run. What do you make of this ?

"O gullible Bushies! Neocons' best friend Chalabi is revealed to be spy for Iran"

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/print.php?sid=16284

[Roland99]

148. Kind of hard to say.

On the surface, I chalk it up to boisterous rhetoric.

[Emit]

186. Or maybe Chalabi was meant to be a spy for Iran

Someone else on this thread said watch out for the cover ups of cover ups, or something to that effect. This Chalabi thing with Iran has made me curious for some time now. Looking at it from a different angle a while back, I invested some time reading Ledeen's op-eds over at NRO, and visiting websites that link to him. It's dirty work, but someone has to do it.

Ledeen, in his usual oh-so-arrogant black ops manner, has been putting out a lot of 'clues', shall we say, about regime change in Iran, etc. for, well, a long time now.

He wrote this strange piece a while back, hinting that the 'conspiracy theory' about an elaborate plan by the CIA to put in Ahmadinejad as Pres of Iran might 'explain everything.'

(He writes these op-eds about Iran et al pretending that he's talking to some phantom ghost of a dead CIA guy):

~snip~

JJA: "Tenet pretended to leave. He had to. He and the president realized that the only way to generate public support for a vigorous campaign of regime change in Iran, was if everyone was totally frightened. But the mullahs were too smart to let that happen, they had all these sly reformers who pretended to be somehow ready to make a nice deal with us. You know, Rafsanjani, Khatami, all those smooth talkers with their clever slogans tailor made for Western intellectuals, "dialogue of civilizations," etc. etc..."

ML: "And so, you're saying, CIA spotted Ahmadi Nezhad, recruited him, and..."

~snip~

ML: "Let me try to follow this, please. Are you also saying that those guys that left when Goss came in are part of the scheme?"

JJA: "Well, obviously. I mean, a new guy comes in and the top two officers from the Operations Directorate just pack up and leave? Give me a break. It was all coordinated, all staged, the usual disinformation for a gullible public. And they went for it, didn't they?"

ML: "Yes, it all made perfect sense. It was time to clean house and so Goss was brought in to do the dirty work."

JJA: "Hahahahaha, you went for it too. Hahaha. The two most important guys in the building had their feelings hurt by that nasty old congressman, and they just couldn't bear it, and they left. Let's see, how many directors had they survived already? Four? Five? Six? I can't count them all. But this one was just too much. And where did they go to work, did anyone notice that?"

~snip~

ML: "You're turning into a conspiracy-theory nutcase."

JJA: "What do you mean, turning into? What do you think counterintelligence is, anyway?"

I couldn't stand it anymore. You're of course free to believe whatever you want, I think it's ridiculous. Even if it does somehow explain everything.

note: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is also transliterated Ahmadi Nezhad

http://www.nationalreview.com/ledeen/ledeen200512190833.asp



Seems many of the liberal hawk, pro-war, or just plain nutso conservative websites who link to Ledeen and worship the ground he walks on, think that Ledeen was trying to tell them something...in code... maybe? :shrug:

[TheGunslinger]

190. Isn't Ledeen now on charges of spying for Israel?

[Emit]

221. Not that I'm aware of, but he's been implicated time and again in the past

And a lot of people within the NSA (and other depts, I think) have gone on record as not trusting him. There's a wealth of info connecting him to the Operation Gladio/Neo-fascist/P2 masonic lodge, SISMI, Mossad AND CIA. A quadruple agent!? Who knows, really. This guy is a real piece of work, and definitely gets around. It's amazing he's allowed to continue to write his op-ed propaganda today, or that anyone can trust the stuff he writes -- but of course, that is part of the plan, I'm sure. I'll bet there is some truth in what he writes. Anyway, I digress. Maybe you're thinking of Feith?



edited for clarity

[TheGunslinger]

252. Thanks

[dubya_dubya_III]

236. Nukes for Peace I love that!

a bomb for a bomb and we'll all be smoke

[Rainscents]

19. Kick!

We need to get this out!!!

[rodeodance]

20. but we HAVE read this previously.

a while back--but i do not recall when or where.

[rodeodance]

21. but, it is certainly timely now.

[sabra]

22. but but but Sen. Grassley said that the Plame leak is a "two bit nothing"

:sarcasm:

[EVDebs]

147. Treason ? Isn't a laughing matter...

O gullible Bushies! Neocons' best friend Chalabi is revealed to be spy for Iran
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/print.php?sid=16284

[LiberalFighter]

157. Then get the word out to world that Grassley is a CIA covert

Maybe someone will bite make his life miserable

[The Backlash Cometh]

23. So let me see if I understand this correctly:

There were no weapons of mass production in Iraq, but there were weapons of mass production in Iran?

And in outing Plame and Wilson, Bush and Cheney have compromised our ability to handle the Iran problem?

[mzteris]

35. Well.....

"There were no weapons of mass production in Iraq, but there were weapons of mass production in Iran?"

Could it be they thought Saddam was storing those WMD's FOR Iran IN Iraq!



:crazy:

[Roland99]

46. With Syria being some sort of way station?

:silly:

[benburch]

24. Get Well Wishes for the intrepid reporter of this story!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x4738920 <--- Check in here.

[Nothing Without Hope]

64. Yes indeed - just IMAGINE how BushCo would reel when LaLa gets her full

health! She blasts them regularly even when she's ill enough that most people would be vegetating.

(((((( our LaLa ))))))) :patriot: :loveya:

[ninkasi]

25. Why isn't this treason?

I know it won't happen, but outing Valerie Plame and jeopardizing her whole network seems treasonous to me. What a pity that the government has been taken over by people of such enormous egos, and such non-existent ethics. They are, without doubt, the biggest danger we have ever faced, because they are destroying us from within.

I wonder if we'll ever know if any deaths resulted from having Brewster Jennings made public? The Mideast is a dangerous place as it is, and Iran must be even more so. Now, the administration is beating the drums for war with Iran, just as they did in the lead-up to the invasion of Iraq. These madmen will cause WWIII, and must be counting on somehow living through it, with enough money to live like kings for the rest of their lives.

Destroying the rest of the world doesn't matter to them. They have all been infected with whatever disease causes tyrants like Hitler to attempt world conquest.

[benburch]

26. It is.

And should be punished as treason.

[yodermon]

54. Constitutionally I think it qualifies

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article03/index.html

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

[freefall]

202. Well said. Well said. n/t

[Beetwasher]

27. T R E A S O N

n/t

[wordpix]

65. Iran secret ops messed up due to vindictive * & his inept band of criminal

lying mischief makers

[Peace Patriot]

89. They are NOT inept. They are covering up numerous serious crimes.

Beware of disinformation, and coverups of coverups.

[Generator]

108. My first thought!!!!!!

Freaking IRAN! Okay..and who wants to have a war with Iran? My God. Was she working on stopping Iran,uncovering ties to Iran-does the name Chalabi ring a bell and what else? And whose working on Iran being the next boogeyman? Give me a C H E N E Y.

[EVDebs]

149. Treason , this article lays it out

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/print.php?sid=16284

[Roland99]

152. Condi claimed that she was going to investigate Chalabi.

Whatever happened to that?


:eyes:

[EVDebs]

153. Not only that but the CIA has an Office of Inspector General too

and that office should be CURRENTLY investigating. If not, then a massive cover up is underway. Pat Lang wouldn't have said what he said about the Iranian operation unless he knew things were being followed up on. DIA out of DOD/Military intelligence should also be investigating how they may still be using these dubious sources.

But what the hell, it's just US soldiers lives at stake. The WH's cavalier attitude speaks volumes.

[Roland99]

154. Amazing, eh? Two women just may hold all of the secrets of this admin

and neither of them can talk.

[EVDebs]

155. Roland99, do you have any info on these two ? I'm just brainstorming this

and don't know who they are, only that the OIGs should be taking action at first word of this. That is unless they too are compromised.

Lives are literally at stake with each second this story is delayed. We need to get to the bottom of it ASAP; so 'God Speed' to Fitz and anyone else out there who is working on this !

I found this on the web and it isn't too heartening about the last big CIA-OIG report on 9-11 'Accountability'

http://www.cia.gov/cia/public_affairs/press_release/2005/pr10052005.html

[Roland99]

159. By the two women I meant Sibel Edmonds and Valerie Plame. As for OIGs...

As for the DoD OIG:
http://www.dodig.mil/

It's a bit in flux with a General as the acting IG. He's obviously not going to go against policy and directives and threaten his career.

Richard T. Race is now the acting Deputy IG but I don't see much on him.


CIA OIG is Edward Maguire who seems to be somehow associated with the Heritage Foundation. No further description of Heritage is required.

[EVDebs]

161. I'm placing bets former NSA Gen Hayden is a Knight of Malta

but I'm curious how you found info on Edward Maguire for CIA OIG. I couldn't find zip. Thanks !

[Roland99]

164. Knights of Malta? Is this like a Holy Grail/Knights Templar?

As for Maguire, found this link:
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Crime/wm382.cfm?renderforprint=1

And noticed a reference to study done by an Edward Maguire. If Heritage is linking to it....


And, here's the CIA Office of Director of National Intelligence Org Chart:
http://www.dni.gov/ODNI_Org_Chart.pdf

[EVDebs]

168. KOM is the Catholic order the was the Knights Templar enemy

after the Friday Oct 13th, 1307 destruction of the KT. In England around 1370 John J. Robinson's book Born In Blood describes how a secret Peasant's Revolt sought revenge upon the Knights Hospitaler, who later morphed into the Knights of Malta, a conservative Catholic aristocratic order. The KT morphed into the Freemasons, who in the early days fought for the oppressed and working-class and for freedom.

Now you may be beginning to see the picture better.

Scroll down to 'Wat Tyler's Revolt' at
http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/Born_in_Blood_Book_Review.htm

[Roland99]

171. I may have to revisit my copy of Holy Blood, Holy Grail

Wow...how'd we get on this track from Plame being outed?


:D

[EVDebs]

175. KOM has a seat at the UN, although stateless. Go figure.

You may not believe it but there really IS an overall conspiracy of aristocrats and monied elites.

Nixon planned to seize Saudi oilfields in '73
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0102-01.htm

and the plans morphed into Iraq in '03, thirty years later. Go rent movie 3 Days of the Condor, the plot is similar.

BTW, look at the map the Quakers put on the web mentioned at this link
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=379516

and you will realize why the Quakers are under domestic spying 'terrorist surveillance'. They dared to tell the truth about it all. Also, a recent poll of Iraqis shows that most of them are favoring attacks on US troops precisely because they belive we are there permanently and aren't going to withdraw. Yet Bush has said 'we'll stand down when Iraqis stand up'. They don't believe it that we're going to abandon those oilfields...

The Great Game is behind all of this. Oh, and Cheney was a Nixon WH something or other back then...when the first plans were drawn up.

[Roland99]

176. Wasn't Cheney like Chief of Staff or something?

What timing. Check out the photo on the WH page of the Vice President:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/vicepresident/

His career in public service began in 1969 when he joined the Nixon Administration, serving in a number of positions at the Cost of Living Council, at the Office of Economic Opportunity, and within the White House.

When Gerald Ford assumed the Presidency in August 1974, Mr. Cheney served on the transition team and later as Deputy Assistant to the President. In November 1975, he was named Assistant to the President and White House Chief of Staff, a position he held throughout the remainder of the Ford Administration.

:puke:


BTW, seems like the US would want a permanent base (or bases) near the Syrian border, too.

[AntiFascist]

242. One connection is Michael Ledeen's supposed involvement...

with P2, the right-wing masonic branch of Italian intelligence which may also have important influence at the Vatican. I've also just read that Bush Sr. became a member of P2 when he took over as head of the CIA (in the book The Octopus). These are all powerful arms of a large anti-communist network, probably with the agenda to keep control of wealth and resources in the hands of the few. Here's a possible clue: what will happen when they have a fully anonymous money-laundering system that only they know about?

[AntiFascist]

243. Oh, and what was it that caused the US and Britain to....

overthrow a democracy in Iran and install an anti-democratic autocrat (Project AJAX)? Weren't they nationalizing the oil fields?

[Pachamama]

184. Make that "3" women...don't forget the secrets that Sibel Edmonds holds!

:eyes:

[Roland99]

191. I already had her in mind....Plame and Edmonds.

[EVDebs]

209. Indira Singh, of Ptech scandal fame or Colleen Rowley

both whistleblowers too would up the count considerably. We can't forget the FBI guy in Phoenix but lucky him he's in good company with those gals ! And the 'Jersey Girls' are kickin' ass too.

Never give in, never give in, NEVER !

[Emit]

211. What about htis lady? Has this ever been substantiated?

Anybody know? Is this a credible source?

Tuesday, August 12, 2003

US tried to plant WMDs, failed: whistleblower

Daily Times Monitor

According to a stunning report posted by a retired Navy Lt Commander and 28-year veteran of the Defense Department (DoD), the Bush administration’s assurance about finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was based on a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) plan to “plant” WMDs inside the country. Nelda Rogers, the Pentagon whistleblower, claims the plan failed when the secret mission was mistakenly taken out by “friendly fire”, the Environmentalists Against War report.

Nelda Rogers is a 28-year veteran debriefer for the DoD. She has become so concerned for her safety that she decided to tell the story about this latest CIA-military fiasco in Iraq. According to Al Martin Raw.com, “Ms Rogers is number two in the chain of command within this DoD special intelligence office. This is a ten-person debriefing unit within the central debriefing office for the Department of Defense.”


~snip~

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:kPANrcPLxckJ:www.dailytimes.com.pk/%3Fpage%3Dstory_12-8-2003_pg1_9+whistleblower+nelda+rogers&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

[EVDebs]

213. They're busy retaliating against her now I hear.

And the article says she fears for her life, which is why she went public.

""Nelda Rogers is a 28-year veteran debriefer for the DoD. She has become so concerned for her safety that she decided to tell the story about this latest CIA-military fiasco in Iraq. According to Al Martin Raw.com, “Ms Rogers is number two in the chain of command within this DoD special intelligence office. This is a ten-person debriefing unit within the central debriefing office for the Department of Defense.”""

US tried to plant WMDs, failed: whistleblower
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_12-8-2003_pg1_9

[stop the bleeding]

216. Stunning Emit - this post should be on it's own - this is right up there

with Peace Patriot's planting WMD's in Iraq theories, have you read The Conspirators:
Secrets of an Iran Contra Insider, by Al Martin? Seems like a good source of information.

Also where is Nelda Rogers now???

[EVDebs]

158. Acting DOD OIG is Richard Race

http://www.dodig.osd.mil/INV/racebio.pdf

With Sheldon Young, Acting Deputy OIG for Intelligence
http://www.dodig.mil/ir/index.html

I'm still looking for CIA's OIG Edward Maguire, but linked below is an site with crosslinks to CIA's OIG OGC
http://www.dodig.mil/ir/coordination.htm

I can't find a direct link for CIA Office of Inspector General, just Office of General Counsel. No names etc available for obvious reason I suppose, but Porter Goss wasn't installed in the CIA in order to fix things, he's there to purge anyone who wants to look into lawbreaking that got us into Iraq in the first place.

The CIA then needs to have a public aware of who it's OIG is and what he's there for. That may have prevented this putz-up we've got in Iraq right now.

[Roland99]

160. CIA OIG is Edward Maguire...see my post #159 above.

Seems distantly (or closer?) linked to the Heritage Foundation.

Probably brought along for the ride on Goss's coattails?

[EVDebs]

162. Fletcher Prouty's "Secret Team" seems to be coming out of the woodwork

in order to prevent the Plame story from breaking open. God = Truth and the truth will out, always does. The deception isn't even deniable let alone plausible !

Here's what I googled up to help find info on/about Mr Maguire off the web

http://www.leadershipdirectories.com/fybinfo/Edward_Maguire_Office_of_the_Director_of_National_Intelligence.html

and possibly this guy with same name from answers.com

http://www.answers.com/topic/edward-mcguire

Is this the same guy ? I'd expect a lawyer, not a 'strategic economist', so I hope this is someone else and am proven wrong.

[Roland99]

163. 2nd link is for "McGuire"...not "Maguire"

He's probably some crony appointment, though. A yes-man.

[EVDebs]

166. Could it be this guy ?

http://www.gmu.edu/depts/pia/adj/faculty/biomaguire.shtml

The bio reads about right. The Heritage report on the COPS program slamming Clinton seems to be a match with this guy. And the UN stuff. If 'investigating' crime at the CIA, they'd have the same 'yes, master' attitude. Not much else on the guy.

Re check my other post, I found a DOD bio on Mr Race as well. Both appear to be very conservative and not too tolerant of the civil liberties as described in the Constitution. REX 84 is right up their alley.

[Roland99]

167. Seems a bit....geeky to be an OIG, eh?

[EVDebs]

169. Both do. And young, not even wet behind the ears. Groomed for assignment

to this with NO HISTORY behind them. Cherrys. Or more accurately, Babes In The Woods. It's no wonder that there aren't any investigations into the crimes uncovered here on DU being mentioned. These guys wouldn't do ANYTHING unless it was cleared by higher's up the food chain.

No wonder the Republic is at risk. Jeeez.

[Roland99]

170. Ayup...got his B.S. in 1991...a couple years after I got mine...found this

PROTECTING YOUR COMMUNITY FROM TERRORISM: THE STRATEGIES FOR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT
http://www.temple.edu/cprep/PDFs/Strategies%20for%20Law%20Enforcement.%20vol1pt2.pdf

Probably part of his research into COPS?


This guy doesn't seem to have had much experience with what a CIA agent would need to know, or even an IG. Then again, he seems like a good fit for, say, police Internal Affairs stuff. Could be a good yes-man.

And we're leaving out the DoJ. Who's the IG there? We know DoJ is firmly in the pockets of the neocons and this administration. Hell, they came out of the gate with a massive document supporting the illegal wiretaps.

[EVDebs]

172. Sorry young guy Roland99, I'm class of ...well .... way back

but you may wish to research REX84 and Ollie North's 'suspension of the Constitution' plans. Guess which two SCOTUS justices worked in the Reagan era DOJ and Office of Special Counsel to WH (overlooking the executive orders that made up stuff like REX84, CableSplicer and GardenPlot) ? You guessed it, Alito and Roberts.

Just in time to save Bush's bacon should it come down to the SCOTUS hearing any of this re Plame and national security matters.

The REX84 stuff allows for arresting 'dissenters' during wartime. And concentration camps.

[Roland99]

174. Can a Dem takeover of the House and/or the Senate this year stop them?

I'm beginning to think the ball has rolled too far down the hill.

And how long has this been in the planning and implementation stages? What do they have planned next? Esp. considering this:
Six more weeks....say bye-bye to M3...(bit of a reminder)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=410066&mesg_id=410066


:scared:


I know it would mean risking their careers, their freedom, hell, maybe even their lives but OH how I wish Sibel and Valerie would just TELL ALL.....NOW!

[EVDebs]

177. Mar. 20 is the Iran euro conversion date. Yes, a Dem victory is

possible in Nov but we need, what 24 seats I think. Very possible now, but if war starts (deliberately on Iran, pretext to be -- fill in the blanks) then all bets are off. The media HAS to begin making some noise, along with Race and Maguire. But that's wishful thinking.

Fitzgerald holds it all in his hands right now. Do you pray Roland99 ? We'd better be asking TGAOTU to help us poor son's of the widow. The whole ballgame is at stake now.

[Roland99]

178. Need to take 15 GOP seats in the House and maintain all Dem seats

Can't remember on the Senate.

But, yeah, war starting before then could certainly change things. The public may fear a changing of the guard in mid-volley, no matter that it will be the nail in the coffin of the US economy.

And, no, I don't pray. Although, Pascal's Wager is looking tempting of late. :dilemma:

;)

[EVDebs]

205. By all means read Steve Wohlberg's End Time Delusions

about the 'end times' eschatology which 'requires' a Third Temple to be built in Jerusalem atop the Temple Mount. It all stems from a deception from the 1500s where Jesuits (and the Knights of Malta 'enforcers') interpret the 'antichrist' away from the papacy, where Luther and his Protestants were pointing the finger. A future antichrist who must then sit in a reconstructed Third Temple is devised.

The Catholic Origins of Futurism and Preterism
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/antichrist.htm

This is where Bush's base comes in. Read Chris Hedges' article in Harpers

Feeling the hate
http://www.harpers.org/FeelingTheHate.html

"" On the platform is a huge picture of the Dome of the Rock, the spot in Jerusalem where the third Temple will be rebuilt to herald, at least according to the Christians in the room, the second coming of Christ. Some 400,000 Christian tourists visit Israel each year, and, what with the precipitous decline in Israel’s tourism industry in recent years, these people have become a valued source of revenue.

The strange alliance in this case is premised upon the Dominionist belief that Israel must rule the biblical land in order for Christ to return, though when he does, all Jews who do not convert to Christianity supposedly will be incinerated as the believers are lifted into heaven; all this is courteously left unmentioned at the breakfast. The featured speakers include Avraham Hirschsohn, who is the new Israeli minister of tourism, and Michael Medved, a cultural conservative and a nationally syndicated radio talk-show host. Medved is also one of the most prominent Jewish defenders of Mel Gibson’s biopic The Passion of the Christ.""

Dominionism equals 'futurism' equals dispensationalism in this end times eschatologic view of the future. Also, George Monbiot has written about this, but is mistaken in the origin point, saying it began in the mid 1800s:

Their beliefs are bonkers, but they are at the heart of power
US Christian fundamentalists are driving Bush's Middle East policy
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1195568,00.html

""In the United States, several million people have succumbed to an extraordinary delusion. In the 19th century, two immigrant preachers cobbled together a series of unrelated passages from the Bible to create what appears to be a consistent narrative: Jesus will return to Earth when certain preconditions have been met. The first of these was the establishment of a state of Israel. The next involves Israel's occupation of the rest of its "biblical lands" (most of the Middle East), and the rebuilding of the Third Temple on the site now occupied by the Dome of the Rock and al-Aqsa mosques. The legions of the antichrist will then be deployed against Israel, and their war will lead to a final showdown in the valley of Armageddon. The Jews will either burn or convert to Christianity, and the Messiah will return to Earth.""

Again, no, the Jesuits cobbled this view together in the 1500s Counter Reformation in order to squelch Protestant view that the papacy was the antichrist. Subsequent Protestant pogroms, as with the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre (Aug. 1572) show us the origins of US Freemasonry and its adherence to tolerance of religious beliefs whatever they may be:

""The French Protestants were called Huguenots: President George Washington had a Huguenot ancestor, as did at least 5 other Presidents: John Adams, John Quincy Adams, John Tyler, James Garfield, and Theodore Roosevelt. A Huguenot refugee named Apollos de Revoire settled in Boston, and had a son who signed his name Paul Revere! Remember his famous midnight ride? Three members of the Continental Congress - Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, and Elias Boudinot were Huguenots. Other great names include Francis Marrion, General George Patton, Clair Chennault, Admiral Dewey, Du Ponts, Henry Thoreau, Longfellow etc., etc. A Huguenot colony was founded in Florida in 1562 (years before the English landed), but was later destroyed by Spanish raiders. ""

http://www.reformation.org/bart.html

That said, the modern-day forces seeking to restore a Third Temple in Jerusalem have Bush's ear. Despite the fact that a Third Temple isn't necessary. The sacrificial system it would restore would require a return of the Ark of The Covenant in addition. And it isn't readily apparent where it truly is. Some say Ethiopia, others say in Scotland or southern France. In any event, there you have it.

BTW, read this Impact of the millenium on the Holy Land
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week319/cover.html

if you doubt how seriously this topic is.

[Roland99]

210. heh.Trouble is, apocalyptic writings are based on a misunderstanding.

Apocalypse doesn't mean end of the world. It means revelation. They are writings meant to give hope to the readers that the current time of oppression will end and peace will win out one day. Hence the inclusion of the Book of Revelation in the Bible. It's not a roadpath to a final judgment day or end times but, rather, a sign of hope to the early Christians who were being persecuted.

[Emit]

179. And of which Cheney and Rumsfeld were two of the leading participants

in this highly classified, illegal "continuity of government' plan. I just read and posted about this on another earlier and related topic thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=321233#325717

[Roland99]

198. They're planning a coup from multiple angles!

[EVDebs]

206. H2OMan's 'Your Move' post, archieved. Loved this quote from the book

""...outside and beyond the specifications of the U.S. Constitution..."" you mentioned, Rise of The Vulcans by James Mann.

Ah, yes. Good ole Ollie North and the REX84 progeny of COG continuity of government. Planning for undoing the Constitution. And Alito and Roberts both had to have had this stuff pass by their desks. If they approved, God help us all.

[kineneb]

204. thought I sensed the hand of Olie North here somewhere

where the Iran-Contra players are to be found, ole' Olie can't be far behind. Vermin Traitors.

[goforit]

135. #1 crime is "Busher-Iran " the nuclear plant donated by GHWB.

Yep!!!
And this nuclear plant will be Bush's first target.
So that no evidence will point to his Poppy.

[tanyev]

28. Whoop there it is! K&R

[stop the bleeding]

30. key statement here:

Several intelligence officials described the damage in terms of how long it would take for the agency to recover. According to their own assessment, the CIA would be impaired for up to "ten years" in its capacity to adequately monitor nuclear proliferation on the level of efficiency and accuracy it had prior to the White House leak of Plame Wilson's identity.

so who is gathering Iranian intel now?

[Roland99]

32. Chalabi?

[stop the bleeding]

38. or possibly or this dude: Manucher Ghorbanifar

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Backchannels_used_to_bypass_U.S._government_0111.html

[Roland99]

42. I've posted threads about him before. He's linked to Chalabi, isn't he?

Can't keep the players straight anymore.

Oh, Ghorbanifar is linked to Iran-Contra figures (and Hadley linked to them, too)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2254646

[Nothing Without Hope]

57. ***LEDEEN/GHORBANIFAR - two threads from January also related - LINKS:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x109553
thread title (1-11-06 GD): PLAME= IRAN/CONTRA REDUX - Planted WMD from Ghorbanifar & Ledeen.
(Spurious attempt to tie Iran, Iraq to nuclear arms plot bypassed U.S. intelligence channels)
Larisa Alexandrovna- Raw Story, Published: January 11, 2006

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x118064
thread title (1-12-06 GD): Ledeen, Ghorbanifar, and the strategy of tension
The early sections of the article describe how the Reagan Administration first invented the war on terror as an excuse for maintaining power and secrecy even as the Cold War was winding down. Michael Ledeen and his associates were at the heart of this shift -- providing the theoretical basis for seeing global terrorism as a menace equivalent to the Soviet Union in its glory days and slamming the State Department and CIA for not going along with their claims.

[Roland99]

59. Ledeen was one of the key neocons involved in selling fear (and spying)

for Israel.

The BBC's The Power of Nightmares has a few video clips of an interview with him.

[AntiFascist]

99. Exactly, keep in mind the "strategy of tension" and....

Ledeen's writings involving the use of "creative destruction" in order to transform and Americanize the Middle East. This also fits in perfectly with PNAC's agenda (as well as the DLC's offensive foreign policy :rant:) Leo Strauss the godfather of the neocons advocating the use of the "big lie", one could go on and on....

[Roland99]

103. Leo Strauss and Sayyid Qutb...the fathers of destructive ideology.

[stop the bleeding]

60. yep - these are part of my bookmarks n/t

[seemslikeadream]

82. Thanks Nothing Without Hope

:hi:

[RazzleDazzle]

194. this page opens, but there's nothing there -- ????

[Roland99]

195. Works for me. Just opened it.

Spurious attempt to tie Iran, Iraq to nuclear arms plot bypassed U.S. intelligence channels

Several U.S. and foreign intelligence sources, along with investigators, say an Iranian exile with ties to Iran-Contra peddled a bizarre tale of stolen uranium to governments on both sides of the Atlantic in the spring and summer of 2003.

The story that was peddled -- which detailed how an Iranian intelligence team infiltrated Iraq prior to the start of the war in March of 2003, and stole enriched uranium to use in their own nuclear weapons program -- was part of an attempt to implicate both countries in a WMD plot. It later emerged that the Iranian exile was trying to collect money for his tales, sources say.

By all credible accounts, the source of this dubious tale was Manucher Ghorbanifar, an Iranian arms dealer who used middle-men and cut-outs to create the appearance of several sources. Ghorbanifar played a key role in the Iran-Contra scandal that threatened to take down the Reagan administration, in which the U.S. sold arms to Iran and diverted the proceeds to Nicaraguan militants.

While the various threads of the larger story of Ghorbanifar and his intelligence peddling began in December of 2001, meetings in Paris in 2003 are far more important in illustrating -- as a microcosm -- the larger difficulties faced in untangling the facts relating to global intelligence trafficking.

...

[stop the bleeding]

197. yep me to for both links n/t

[Pithy Cherub]

31. Plame was at the nexus of our nation's national security.

These neocons had put in the axis of evil crap in the state of the Union. Ms. Plame was obviously in a place to disprove their lies and undercut credibility by virtue of being an expert. It doesn't take the latest techological tinfoil tophat to see that they were looking at destroying Ms. Plame's & Ambassador Wilson's credibility with one rock. the rock has now turned into a national security boomerang. No wonder Fitzgerald was so forceful about how much this has really harmed national security and it trumped anything a reporter might want to claim privilege on.

This is just jaw dropping. These are interesting times. :wow:

[PATRICK]

33. Yet another long term reason

why they wanted her out as well as outed if she was not on board the Liars Express, headed next stop Iran.

They HAD to get trash her for some many reasons they couldn't stop themselves.

[corker]

34. treason

How convenient for them to lose intel about Iran...

[berni_mccoy]

36. BUSH ADMIN = TRAITORS

IMPEACH THEM ALL NOW!

[stepnw1f]

40. The Proof is Here

What spin will we hear and see from the MSMRNC?

[AndyTiedye]

37. kickety kick

:kick:

[Ian David]

39. Halliburton has been involved in Iran's nuclear program for years

Halliburton Doing Business With the 'Axis of Evil'

By Jefferson Morley
washingtonpost.com staff writer
Thursday, February 3, 2005; 8:00 AM

The award for oddest geopolitical couple of 2005 goes to the government of the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Houston-based Halliburton.

You might not think that a charter member of President Bush's "axis of evil" could enlist the oil-services firm once run by Vice President Cheney to bolster its bargaining position with an international community intent on curbing its nuclear ambitions.

But that is apparently what happened last month.

The story began on Jan. 9 when the Iran News ran a Reuters story reporting that Halliburton "has won a tender to drill a huge Iranian gas field."

<snip>

Within days three hard-line members of the Iranian parliament attacked the deal. In an open letter they alleged the contract had been arranged by a businessman named Sirous Naseri, who also serves on the Iranian government team negotiating with European powers seeking limits on Iran's nuclear programs. The Halliburton contract, the parliamentarians complained, was "a threat to Iran's nuclear stance."

<snip>

That probably did not please Cheney. On Inauguration Day, he told a nationwide talk radio audience that Iran was "right at the top of the list of potential trouble spots" facing the Bush administration. Many online pundits interpreted his remarks as a threat of military action against Iran. Cheney was not asked about Halliburton's venture.

More:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58298-2005Feb2.html


Also:


Cheney/Halliburton sold Iran nuclear equip. in '04 to justify '05 Cheney planned attack
author: build your own justification watch
Still receiving a million dollars a year from the corporation, Cheney's Halliburton supplied the nuclear components to Iran in 2004 that neocon's are now screaming about as "justifying" (sic) their own empty "threat" that promotes pre-emptive war attacks in 2005. Note that a year later, it is Cheney's very hands on order to the Joint Chiefs of Staff to craft a "response to the next terror" that means AUTOMATIC targeting of Iran regardless of where the source of terror comes from! Additional notes from below: FOUR STAR GENERAL BYRNES REFUSES TO GO ALONG WITH THE NORTHCOM NUCLEAR TERROR DRILL THAT WAS TO 'GO LIVE', ONCE IT WAS SHIFTED TO BE UNDER HIS JURISDICTION AT HIS FT. MONROE, VA, BASE ; SO, NEOCON TERRORISTS IN PENTAGON FIRE BYRNES, HE'S REPLACED BY RUMSFELD CRONY --- Neocons still PLANNING FOR TERROR to kick off Iran attack: All Army Leaves has been cancelled after September 7, 2005, right as Bush's "33 day vacation" closes is likely when they pre-plan for the attack to kick off --- CNN already 'in training' to report FROM NORTHCOM to manipulate the truth and misguide the immediate public reaction to disguise neocon's NORTHCOM/PENTAGON THAT SET OFF next state terror hit on their OWN MOBILIZATION SCHEDULE. It's "Operation Northwoods" updated strategies all over the place. See links for more information and updates:

More:
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/08/322950.shtml

[loveandlight]

51. Cheney and Haliburton again, no surprise

If this isn't the epitome of the industrial military complex that Eisenhower warned us of so many years ago. We are truly under the control of the most greedy heartless corrupt powers that have existed, well, let's just say since Hilter. I won't compare them, but I do believe they are equal. They don't care how many people die, how many countries are destroyed, to keep themselves in the money. Doesn't matter, Americans, Iraqis, Iranians, we are all the same fodder for their profit making war machine. I read things like this and I have trouble imagining how we ever get out from under. Sorry to be a downer, but it overwhelms me. I try to remember Gandi's quote, how tyrants and murderers only seem invincible for a time, but this is the time right now when that is happening. It is only hope and faith that allow me to remember that in the history of the world, we have been through horrible days before and come out on the other end. I am just sad to think that the other end of this particular disaster may be too far away for me to reach.

[wordpix]

66. unsurprising when one knows that corporate Amerika has loyalty only to $$$

and not to any one nation

[Me.]

139. Kellogg, Brown, Roote

A Hallibutron subsidiary, sold components for WMDs production not only to Iran, but also to other nations we publicly declared supported terrorists. If Iran was the crux of Plame's work, I wonder how nervous it made Cheney knowing his company had sold them the bits and bobs necessary to put a nuke together. They all think they will never be found out and when they feel the heat coming near they fight tooth and nail to protect their interests. Everything should be done to push this story forward even if people just email the links posted upthread.

[Roland99]

140. Forgot about the KBR angle. (links to Abramoff and Rep. Ney, too!) >>>>

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Kellogg_Brown_and_Root

The New York Times reports on 24 Sept. 2004 (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/24/business/24halliburton.html) that KBR has become more trouble than it's worth to Halliburton, and that a spin-off is being considered, citing "investigations into its activities in Nigeria and Iran and by sizable asbestos claims."

* Among Halliburton's most pressing concerns are investigations by French, American and Nigerian officials into KBR's role in an illegal payments scheme for its work on a liquid natural gas project in Nigeria in the 1990's at a time when Mr. Cheney was Halliburton's chief executive.
* The Department of Justice is also investigating Halliburton's activities in Iran, where it operates through a loophole allowing it to remain there despite American sanctions limiting business in that country.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10857676/site/newsweek/

Jan. 23, 2006 issue - Ohio Rep. Robert Ney personally lobbied the then Secretary of State Colin Powell to relax U.S. sanctions on Iran. Who asked him to? A convicted airplane broker who had just taken the congressman and a top aide on an expense-paid trip to London, NEWSWEEK has learned. Ney's lawyer confirmed to NEWSWEEK that federal prosecutors have subpoenaed records on Ney's February 2003 trip paid for by Nigel Winfield, a thrice-convicted felon who ran a company in Cyprus called FN Aviation. Winfield was seeking to sell U.S.-made airplane spare parts to the Iranian government—a deal that would have needed special permits because of U.S. sanctions against Tehran. Ney's lawyer, Mark Tuohey, said Ney had no idea of Winfield's criminal past, which included a 1982 conviction for trying to swindle Elvis Presley in an airplane deal and two more in the late 1980s for tax evasion. Tuohey said there was "absolutely nothing improper" about Ney's raising the issue of Iranian sanctions with Powell and other Bush administration officials. At the time, there had been a number of civilian plane crashes in Iran attributable to a lack of spare parts. Ney, who had a longstanding interest in Iran, considered easing sanctions to allow spare-parts sales a "humanitarian" matter, Tuohey said.

[Lerkfish]

44. knock me over with a feather....

you know, I"d swear on a stack of congressional budgets our reality is being ghostwritten by Robert Ludlum.

[Roland99]

47. Wash. Note: Notes from Joseph Wilson's Niger trip showed Iran activity???

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/001246.php

Someone with knowledge of the classified report that Joe Wilson "orally" filed after his now famed investigative trip to Niger shared with me that there were two notes in that report that had nothing to do with Iraq and its purported activities in Niger.

These two notes focused on Iran's interests and possible activities in Niger.*

The question is "why would Iran be interested in Niger uranium when it has more than adequate domestic sources of uranium?"

The response that has come from various intelligence sources that TWN has consulted is that if Iran was trying to access external sources of uranium -- somewhere like Niger -- it is because those "secret efforts" would be outside the international intelligence monitoring of Iran's domestic mining operations.

Hmm...perhaps there *was* something sinister going on re: Iran? And, if so, why would this administration risk damaging its ability to keep tabs on Iran by outing Plame and, thus, destroying the cover of Brewster Jennings and other covert agents?

[Ilsa]

48. What a plan! Destroy the intel process, then we Have to invade! nt

[lala_rawraw]

49. Check out Steve Clemmons, another bombshell.. wow

"Someone with knowledge of the classified report that Joe Wilson "orally" filed after his now famed investigative trip to Niger shared with me that there were two notes in that report that had nothing to do with Iraq and its purported activities in Niger.

These two notes focused on Iran's interests and possible activities in Niger.*

The question is "why would Iran be interested in Niger uranium when it has more than adequate domestic sources of uranium?"

The response that has come from various intelligence sources that TWN has consulted is that if Iran was trying to access external sources of uranium -- somewhere like Niger -- it is because those "secret efforts" would be outside the international intelligence monitoring of Iran's domestic mining operations.

TWN does not have the fully articulated "notes" from Joe Wilson's Niger report (we have now learned that those written "notes" were destroyed) and will attempt to follow up on this part of the story, but I saw that this dimension might help provide more context to this important Raw Story piece that appeared.

More soon.

-- Steve Clemons

Update: *TWN has learned that there are specific references in the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence to Joe Wilson's findings in Niger regarding Iran's efforts to acquire 400 to 500 tons of uranium."

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/

[myrna minx]

52. Wow. Wow. Wow.

I'm going to have to digest this. This just blew my mind.

[Roland99]

53. I beat ya to the punch on that one, lala...he he he

I trust you're feeling better now, though? :)

[lala_rawraw]

55. nope, but am surfing in bed

window shopping online.. would that be pixel shopping? thanks for asking though... no fun this thing is

[Roland99]

58. Beats having been "peppered"

;)


<--- sending you some cyber chicken-noodle soup!

[stop the bleeding]

67. trying to wrap my head around this, could you all please give me

an idea of where you think this article is going? My mind is working overtime on what the possibilities of all this?

[Roland99]

69. I see one of two things...

Either Iran was really looking to build up a massive nuclear program -or- there was a lot of dubious info (a la Niger documents) being tossed out to make it look like Iran was wanting to build up and, therefore, be a justification for the next invasion of the Axis of Evil countries.

If the former is true, then the leaking perhaps was to stop the uncovering of links to Cheney and other neocons and former Iran-Contra figures?

[stop the bleeding]

77. I was thinking in terms of your former idea as well, and the latter

would seem to lose credibility being that it was used for Iraq, thank you for you insight on this.

[Roland99]

78. Well, they tried, and failed, to find a way to plant WMDs in Iraq

Ledeen and Ghorbanifar were involved in that, I believe.

It might have been a two-pronged approach. Build up a case against Iraq and start one on Iran so that once the flowers and kisses were being handed out, the US could skip across the border and take over Iran.

[stop the bleeding]

80. Very Ledeen type tactics along with the other neocons and their

desire to conquer the middle east.

[Roland99]

85. But it's much more than any desire to conquer the Middle East...Much more.

It's about their need to keep the battle of good vs. evil going in order to build up a national mindset to eliminate the concept of individualism (born out of liberal thought). They feel a liberal society has failed (much like the Islamists feel the liberal western societies have corrupted the individual). It's eery how similar the mindsets of the neocons and the Islamists truly are.

[stop the bleeding]

88. ding, ding , ding we have a winner - very good analysis of these cats

:applause:

[Roland99]

94. I can't take all of the credit for that one. EXCELLENT BBC documentary...

The Power of Nightmares.

You can Google for that and find the BBC articles (three parts) and the video at informationclearinghouse.com.


VERY eye-opening.

[AntiFascist]

106. Exactly, watch "Power of Nightmares"....

and this becomes clear. Its almost like they at opposite ends of an evil axis or something.

[Roland99]

138. I've watched that 3 times in the last month so far!

I burned the video files to a DVD and plan on spreading it around!

[Emit]

120. Thanks Roland

You bring up an excellent point about the neocon perception on the failures of liberalism. 'Liberalism' wasn't giving these guys what they wanted -- a hawkish America. Most of these guys were/are socially liberal, but wanted more hawkish foreign policy, especially as it related(s) to the Middle East, specifically, and to communism in general.

(stb, you won't have to read this book, as I keep quoting from it so much! -- but it is a really good resource, so I'm gonna give another excerpt on this topic Roland made note of)

Srauss' influence is surprising because his voluminous, often esoteric writings say virtually nothing specific about issues of policy, foreign or domestic. ... One core idea in Strauss's work was a denunciation of the spirit of moral tolerance that, he argued, had come to dominate intellectual life in Europe and the United States. He described what he called "the crisis of liberalism --- ... a crisis due to the fact that liberalism had abandoned its absolutist basis and is trying to become entirely relativistic." The problem with relativism and with liberalism, Strauss argued, was that they can degenerate into "the easygoing belief that all points of view are equal, (hence, none really worth passionate argument, deep analysis or stalwart defense) and then into the strident belief that anyone who argues for the superiority of a distinctive moral insight, way of life, or human type is somehow elitist or antidemocratic -- and hence immoral." Strauss spoke of the need for an elite group of advisers, as in Plato's Republic, who could impress upon a political leader and upon the masses the need for virtue and for strong moral judgments about good and evil.

... The Straussians were not constrained, as many liberals often were, by the need to suspend moral judgments and to take into account differing cultural values and sensitivities. If a third world country was trying to choose its form of government, liberals might argue that communism was inefficient, that it didn't work; the Straussians, by contrast, would argue that communism was tyranny and inherently evil.

One of the great political milestones for the Straussians was President Ronald Reagan's denunciation of the Soviet Union as an "evil empire." In the Closing of the American Mind, Allan Bloom took specific note of Reagan's remark and acknowledged that many liberals had recoiled at Reagan's rhetoric. "What was offensive to contemporary ears in President Reagan's use of the word 'evil' was its cultural arrogance, the presumption that he, and America, know what is good; its closedness to the dignity of other ways of life; its implicit contempt for those who do not share our ways," he explained. Yet, Reagan's rejection of cultural relativism was precisely what the Straussians applauded; it was the point of the exercise. pp. 26-27, Rise of the Vulcans: The History of Bush's War Cabinet, James Mann

I also think it is important what you called the "eerie similar mindsets between the neocons and the Islamists." We might want to take into consideration that Strauss (who influenced first hand -- and second hand, etc.-- many of these neocons who've infiltrated our government) took his cue from Machiavelli (and many of the neocons -- Ledeen for example -- have their personal obsession with Machiavelli).

Overall, defining things in terms of 'good' vs 'evil' (the basis of religiosity in some regards) allows this misadministration to be more effective in manipulating the masses.

Here's a post from an old thread that quotes a book called Power Down by Richard Heinberg (not my post or quote, but I have read the book and recommend it for an overview of the big goal here (one you alluded to as well): this author thinks that their purpose for this power grab is oil, and that the neocons use religiosity as a way to control the masses):

ATTENTION PLEASE: If you never read anything else read these bullet points
Edited on Thu Jun-23-05 11:48 PM by chaska

This is from Power Down by Richard Heinberg. It's one hell of a great book on peak oil. I just this moment read the following on page 68. The chapter is about the GW Bush administration. My heart started pounding when I read this.

Neoconservatism is the intellectual offspring of Leo Strauss (1899-1973), a jewish scholar who fled Hitler's Germany and taught political science at the University of Chicago. According to Shadia Drury in 'Leo Strauss and the American Right' (Griffin, 1999), Strauss advocated an essentially Machiavellian approach to governance. He believed that:

A leader must perpetually deceive those being ruled.

Those who lead are accountable to no overarching system of morals, only to the right of the superior to rule the inferior.

Religion is the force that binds society together, and is therefore the tool by which the ruler can manipulate the masses (any religion will do).

Secularism in society is to be suppressed, because it leads to critical thinking and dissent.

A political system can be stable only if it is united against an external threat, and that if no real threat exists, one should be manufactured.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1880285&mesg_id=1880285

[Roland99]

121. The interviews of Perle, Wolfowitz, Kristol, et al shows their arrogance.

These people TRULY believed their ideology was without fault and was destined only to succeed.

When one stops taking part in a critical review of costs and benefits and an assessment of the success of policies, then one is destined only to FAIL. Their simple assessment that the Great Society of Johnson was a failure due to its liberal stance and avoiding all other variables of society in the 60s (not the least of which was the immediate aftermath of the post-civil rights revolution) also exposes their narscissistic, one-track thinking and all of the logical fallacies therein.


Thanks for the snippets. Excellent excerpts.

[Emit]

91. And let's not forget the AIPAC/Chalabi/Iran/Israel connection

As summarized by Juan Cole here:

AIPAC Spy Case involves Intelligence on Iranian WMD

James Gordon Meek reports that both FBI investigations of leaks from the Pentagon concern in part secret US intelligence on Iranian weapons of mass destruction programs. The FBI suspects that this intelligence was leaked to AIPAC and the Israelis on the one hand, and to Ahmad Chalabi on the other. Chalabi in turn is suspected of passing the information on to Tehran, playing the role of double agent. Although the FBI seems to be keeping the two inquiries separate, there is strong circumstantial evidence that there was a behind-the-scenes connection between Chalabi and the Israelis. That is, the information circuit may have been ingrown among the Neoconservatives, the Israelis and Chalabi's people.

It should be noted that Chalabi, the Neoconservatives, and Israel's Likud Party were allied in wanting to get up a US war against Iraq. But they were divided on the next stage, which was to get Washington to attack Iran, as well. Chalabi hates Saddam, but as an Iraqi Shiite has strong ties to Tehran, so he was not actually on board with Stage Two, and may have helped derail it, for which he is now hated in some Neoconservative circles.

http://www.juancole.com/2004/09/aipac-spy-case-involves-intelligence.html



And Feith's alleged involvement, as discussed here earlier:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=334270#354528

[Roland99]

93. It's an entire industry of corruption, greed, arrogance, hubris, etc.

They hold themselves accountable to no one.

[starroute]

71. That would explain the Washington Post dustup in 2004

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/07/16/wilson/

July 16, 2004 | WASHINGTON -- Choreographed editorials and Op-Ed pieces on Thursday in the Wall Street Journal and National Review and by conservative columnist Robert Novak signaled the revving up of a Republican campaign to discredit former ambassador Joseph Wilson and his claims that President Bush trumpeted flimsy intelligence in the drive to invade Iraq. . . .

But the Senate Intelligence Committee's release of a report last week on prewar intelligence failures has resurrected the Niger controversy. The report, amplified by Washington Post reporter Susan Schmidt and right-wing opinion writers, prompted the retired diplomat on Thursday to send a six-page rebuttal to the panel's chairman, Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., and its ranking Democrat, Sen. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia. . . .

In his letter to the committee, Wilson disputed the Republican senators' characterization. "There is no suggestion or recommendation in that statement that I be sent on the trip," he wrote. A CIA spokeswoman declined to comment. In an interview, Wilson said that his wife was stating facts about his background, not pushing that he go to Niger. . . .

The Post article also contained one acknowledged error: In trying to build a case that Wilson's Niger trip had actually bolstered the administration's claims, Schmidt wrote that Wilson had told the CIA that Iraq had tried to buy 400 tons of uranium from Niger in 1998. In fact, it was Iran that Wilson said had tried to make the purchase, as the Senate report states. The Post ran a correction.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html

_____Correction_____
In some editions of the Post, a July 10 story on a new Senate report on intelligence failures said that former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV told his contacts at the CIA that Iraq had tried to buy 400 tons of uranium from the African nation of Niger in 1998. In fact, it was Iran that was interested in making that purchase, but no contract was signed, according to the report.

[Roland99]

74. Which begs the following question:

Just how much longer can Roberts et al keep covering for the criminals in the White House?


And, also, how closely linked are Republican Senators/Congressmen to this scandal?

[stop the bleeding]

101. very closely - wasn't Goss the former head of the House Intel Committee?

check this out from a Rawstory article: this section has always bothered me - take a look

In his book, Weldon said he met Ghorbanifahr after being approached by a Democratic congressman.

"On March 7, 2003, a former Democratic member of Congress and my good friend Ron Klink called and asked to meet with me. . . . The source was Ali. My contacts with him were at first by telephone. Subsequently, Ali sent faxes to my home on a regular basis from different hotels in Paris, where he lives in exile. Eventually, as the information became more detailed and critical, I decided on a face-to-face meeting." (Countdown to Terror, p. 4).

Why such highly important information would be provided to Klink and then Weldon as opposed to the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee remains unclear.



http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Backchannels_used_to_bypass_U.S._government_0111.html

Begs the question of why the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee was bypassed?

I have asked this several times and have yet to get an answer that explains this. Any ideas??

Also the date of 03/07/2003 is a curious date as well, cause if I remember correctly there was a good bit of action in DC at this time in regards to the Niger/Iraq connection

[Roland99]

107. Who was the chairman in 2003? Hoekstra was named by Hastert in 2004.

[stop the bleeding]

110. ding, ding, ding - Porter Goss of course - see here:

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:GBLpQvYjRFIJ:rawstory.com/news/2005/Through_leaks_and_smears_Senate_chairman_protects_White_House_to_blame_CI_0811.html+chairman+of+the+House+Intelligence+Committee&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4

In late September 2003, now-CIA director Porter Goss, acting in his capacity as then chairman of the House Select Committee on Intelligence, concludes that the CIA is to blame for Iraq pre-war intelligence failures.


6 months after Weldon gets a call from a Democrat about this "Ali"



What is the history on Sen. Roberts with Cheney, Dumbsfeld and the other neocons?????

There may be some sort of connection here????

[Roland99]

111. Hmmm...so, the Dem goes to Weldon as Goss is part of the problem.

I wonder who this former Democratic Representative is and why he hasn't come forward?

[stop the bleeding]

117. Ron Klink was defeated for Senate bid by Rick Santorum of PA

Here is some more on Pat Roberts an article written by Will Pitt, I only have a few key people highlighted in the cache but in the article it names all of major neoconic players.

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:hSs0Gbb6X5UJ:www.dissidentvoice.org/June04/Pitt0605.htm+pat+roberts+richard+perle&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=7

[Roland99]

119. Santorum's hopes are looking dim for '06. But, Gingrich, eh?

Damn, if we only knew the truth about how much the GOP has been involved with creating enemies to keep fighting, I'm sure it would scare the living crap out of every breathing person on earth...and probably a few that are no longer breathing!

[stop the bleeding]

122. this is another little take on Pat Roberts and the CIA

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:Y9fbiq81L9oJ:www.dod.gov/transcripts/2004/tr20040823-secdef1223.html+senator+roberts+rumsfeld&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4

Q: Mr. Secretary, last Tuesday, you warned some senators not to rush and rebuff the intelligence services. And today Senator Pat Roberts announced a plan exactly opposite to dismantle the CIA and minimize the role of the Defense Department and the intelligence services. What is your opinion?



SEC. RUMSFELD: Well, I haven’t had a chance to see Senator Roberts’ proposal. He’s announced some portions of it, but I don’t know if it’s in writing yet and I haven’t had a chance to see it if it is. But I think it’s a good thing that people are making suggestions and recommendations. The so-called 9/11 Commission has made a number of recommendations for reforms. President Bush has made a number of recommendations. And those of us in the executive branch have been studying those recommendations and trying to think through what the details would be – how do you put flesh and bones around those ideas. And I think this is a healthy thing for the country to be doing. I’m glad the Congress is entering into this national debate and discussion and I’m sure that we’ll find our way to some very good reforms for the intelligence community.



Q: But are you in favor of dismantling the CIA?



SEC. RUMSFELD: I don’t know that that’s what Senator Roberts’ proposal does. I’ve read some news articles that say that. But I’m kind of old-fashioned. I like to see the facts and I haven’t seen a piece of paper yet. I think that it’s important for us to recognize that we’re in a war. We need to do whatever we do to make our country stronger and to make our intelligence community better. But we also need to make darned sure we do it in a way that doesn’t damage our country.

Not much here but falls in line with getting Tenet out and Goss in, also look at what has happened to the CIA since Goss took over - the CIA has lost alot of career officers including at some of the highest ranking positions, especially in WMD/terroritst divisions.

I am convinced that Pat Roberts is tied up tight with the neocons like ledeen, Wolfowitz, Feith, Perle ect.., I just can not find the connection yet.

[Roland99]

128. I don't see Roberts as being thick with the PNACers

He might somewhat follow their ideology that liberalism and an open society is leading to moral decay. Is he a rather religious person?

[Emit]

129. According to Novak

He's in tight with Cheney, which mean he's probably just a hawk, war-mongering, war-profiteering old man. Roberts has been around for a while, in both the Senate and Congress, I believe, and before that, as an aide to a rep in Congress --can't recall which one or when, but years back. And his dad was something like a campaign manager to Eisenhower, I believe (from memory of stuff I had read, but don't quote the details -- I'll check correct if this is way off). Anyway, here's a bit from Novak, if we can trust him:

Roberts, a square shooter from Dodge City, Kan., over the years usually has answered my questions. When I asked him about the vice president's "no upside" comments to him, however, he did not deny his saying it but told me: "I'm not going to comment about Cheney." It is no wonder that Roberts, who is close to Cheney, was not inclined to discuss or dispute his comments. Having spent more than 40 years on Capitol Hill, as first a staffer and then a member in both Houses of Congress, Roberts does not easily acquiesce to executive superiority.

But in heading the Intelligence Committee, Roberts finds himself in a difficult position. He has complained to other committee members that he finds it hard to cope with his Democratic counterpart, Sen. Jay Rockefeller. Rockefeller in private conversations with Roberts tends to take a measured bipartisan approach in dealing with presidential authority to eavesdrop on suspected terrorists. But publicly, the committee's top Democrat assumes a confrontational position against Roberts.

The problem for Roberts is that the Democratic reins on the Intelligence Committee are held not by Rockefeller but by two of the most partisan members of the Senate: Carl Levin and Minority Whip Richard Durbin. Never known as a political battler, Roberts showed his frustration with the Democrats recently by publicly taking issue with Democratic National Chairman Howard Dean's comparison of George W. Bush to Richard Nixon on the surveillance issue.

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:6K8mvYiJgVsJ:www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm%3FcolumnsName%3Drno+Pat+Roberts+&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=469

[Roland99]

131. Closeness to DICK explains Roberts' reluctance to move on the 2nd phase

of that Senate investigation into the White House's role in the misuse of intelligence leading up to the Iraq.

It would appear that Roberts is aware that Cheney and Libby were actively visiting the CIA offices and were putting the screws to the analysts to come with the requested evidence against Saddam.

[stop the bleeding]

136. thank you for linking Roberts and Cheney, So you have Roberts

stalling and Goss a former Chairman of the House Intel - strange that both of these 2 dudes would be conveniently placed before, during and after the war in Iraq - very interesting indeed.


Thanks again Emit!!

[Emit]

173. correction about Roberts -- but minor

Just for the record, his dad worked as the Chairman of the Republican National Committee under Eisenhower (I was close - sort of ). But, from this little bit of info here, I can guess that his connections to Cheney lie in the area of defense/Military Industrial Complex.

~snip~

According to his Senate webites (http://www.senate.gov/~roberts/biography.htm), Pat Roberts is a fourth generation Kansan from Dodge City. "Born in Topeka April 20, 1936, Senator Roberts is the son of the late Wes Roberts, Chairman of the Republican National Committee under President Dwight D. Eisenhower. His great-grandfather, J.W. Roberts, founded the Oskaloosa Independent, the state's second oldest newspaper." (http://www.senate.gov/~roberts/biography.htm)

Roberts has served "the people of Kansas" for more than two decades: "First as an eight-term congressman from Kansas' First District and now in his second term as United States Senator, Roberts has built a reputation as a leader in national security and defense issues, agriculture and health care. He is an advocate of a strong education system, free and fare trade policies, increased investment in science and technology, focused foreign policy and a strong military -- all of which are necessary to keep Kansas competitive in today's rapidly evolving global marketplace."

~snip~

Profiles
• 2002 Election Profile for Pat Roberts (http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.asp?cid=N00005285&cycle=2002). Top Contributors (http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.asp?CID=N00005285&cycle=2002) include Koch Industries as #2 and at least 1/3 of major corporate contributors are from the military-industrial complex and more than 10% of PAC funds came from the defense industry

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:7G5LYS-BgQ4J:www.sourcewatch.org/index.php%3Ftitle%3DPat_Roberts+Senator+Pat+Roberts+military+industrial+complex&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2

[Roland99]

200. So, Roberts supports the military-industrial complex Eisenhower warned of.

Lovely.

[Emit]

201. Yeah, I noticed the irony of that as well. *heavy sigh*

edited to add 'heavy' to my 'sigh'

[Emit]

207. Question stb?

You noted: "...these 2 dudes would be conveniently placed before, during and after the war in Iraq ..."

Is this what you're referring to -- the progression of Roberts' and Goss' appointments? Who, or to what capacity, does your 'during' refer to? Just trying to follow your logic -- thanks in advance for any explanation you can pass on:

1/7/03: Senator Roberts replaces Senator Bob Graham (D-Florida) as chairman of Senate Intelligence Committee.
Note: Both Roberts and Graham were part of the 8 members of Congress who retained their high level clearances.


8/10/04: Porter Goss — a former CIA clandestine services officer himself, George W. Bush nominates Porter Goss to head the CIA

Obtained from RawStory's intel timeline: http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:QwCPAC_g9x0J:rawstory.com/robertsintel.htm+Senator+Pat+Roberts+worked+with+Cheney&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=10

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214. Ok - I just find it Ironic that Goss would be appointed to "clean house"

in the CIA given the fact that his Intel committee was left out of the loop when Weldon was given a tip/lead by Ron Klink on 03/07/2003 as indicated by the RS article.
Was this a way of keeping Goss in the dark because Goss told Klink to call Weldon. Meaning Goss knew if this got to committee then it surely would have raised a few questions. (just guessing here) So why was the House Intel Committee kept in the dark on this?? It just doesn't make any sense also why didn't Weldon notify Goss or anyone else when getting Klink's tip?

The whole deal is fishy -

you have Roberts stalling on phase II of the Iraq war intel - during and after combat operations

you have Goss in charge of a committee that would have been all over this claim on Iraq War intel - pre war and during

you have Goss now purging the CIA supposedly for the leaks and the faulty Iraq War intel - post war/end of combat operations.

If you are still reading this then tell me how this bounces off of you - from the RS article:

"Tenet appeared interested, even enthusiastic about evaluating Ali and establishing a working relationship with him," Weldon wrote in his book, Countdown to Terror. "He agreed to send his top spy, Stephen Kappes, the deputy director of operations, along with me to Paris for another debriefing of Ali.

"On the day of our scheduled second meeting with Ali in Paris, Kappes bowed out, claiming that "other commitments" compelled him to cancel," Weldon continued. "Later, the CIA claimed to have met with Ali independently. But I discovered this to be untrue... Incredibly, I learned that the CIA had apparently asked French intelligence to silence Ali."

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Backchannels_used_to_bypass_U.S._government_0111.html

pretty interesting that Tenet's top spy suddenly has "other commitments" on his schedule and cancels at the last minute - WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THIS??? Here is some reading on Kappes:

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:bKrE5ycd8sIJ:www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2005/11/bush_body_count.html+stephen+kappes&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=20

Stephen R. Kappes: deputy director of the Central Intelligence Agency's clandestine services resigned, according to the Washington Post, after a confrontation with Patrick Murray, chief of staff to the new CIA director and Bush administration enforcer, former Congressman Porter Goss, who was said to be "treating senior officials disrespectfully." According to the Baltimore Sun, a "former senior CIA official said that the White House doesn't want Steve Kappes to reconsider his resignation.'" Resigned, November 2004.

another link here on Kappes:

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:-2qh-uFz_SAJ:www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/000201.html+stephen+kappes&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

To those who worked with him, Stephen Kappes seemed the perfect choice to lead the covert side of the CIA in the midst of the war on terrorism. Appointed in June, Kappes, a former marine, is a veteran CIA case officer who served in dangerous and difficult postings in Moscow and Pakistan. More recently, he reported directly to President Bush as the CIA's point man in secret high-stakes negotiations with Libya that ended the rogue state's weapons-of-mass-destruction programs. advertisement

does this seem odd that he was a point man for Bush and then WH doesn't want him to reconsider his resignation - continue on with article

So last week, many CIA insiders were astonished when Kappes became an early casualty under the rule of Porter Goss, the recently appointed director of central intelligence. Goss, himself a former CIA case officer who recently chaired the House Intelligence Committee, came into his job in September with a mandate to reform a troubled agency blamed for a series of grave lapses before the September 11 attacks and the Iraq war. But while Goss was widely expected to shake the place up, the departure of Kappes and his deputy, Michael Sulick, stunned intelligence veterans in Washington, who saw the pair as the most qualified team to lead the CIA's Directorate of Operations in years. "The planets lined up," says Milt Bearden, a 30-year CIA veteran who ran the agency's arming of Afghan rebels in the Soviet war. "You had the right guys in the right job at the right time." Ironically, the two men shared Goss's critique of the CIA's shortcomings. Says a former top CIA official who worked with Kappes: "These guys weren't in denial that 9/11 and Iraq were intelligence failures."

So I have asked this before and got no answers - WHAT DID/DOES KAPPES KNOW ABOUT PLAME/IRAQ WAR INTEL????????????? The parts of the 3 articles all have ODD situations and outcomes for a guy that was so important in each situation

To go back to the RS article now

In his book, Weldon said he met Ghorbanifahr after being approached by a Democratic congressman.

"On March 7, 2003, a former Democratic member of Congress and my good friend Ron Klink called and asked to meet with me. . . . The source was Ali. My contacts with him were at first by telephone. Subsequently, Ali sent faxes to my home on a regular basis from different hotels in Paris, where he lives in exile. Eventually, as the information became more detailed and critical, I decided on a face-to-face meeting." (Countdown to Terror, p. 4).

Why such highly important information would be provided to Klink and then Weldon as opposed to the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee remains unclear.


http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Backchannels_used_to_bypass_U.S._government_0111.html

Goss is the central figure with all of these situations- So as stated before it is pretty convient that he was in the Chairman position before and during the War, and now he is the head of the CIA after the War

As far as Roberts, I really don't have much on him other than what you have provided in your research, unless you want to count the fact that he is stalling phase II of the Iraq War Intel- after the War

Let me know what you think, I just can not get this whole section of Larisa's article out of my head about Kappes, Goss, Weldon, and Klink - it is just doesn't add up!!?!?!?!

[Roland99]

215. Oh, Goss was sent to clean house alright. Clean of the worthy people and..

install yes-men that will give the proper "analysis" to the "data".

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218. Still doesn't explain Kappes and the questions that I have highlighted in

green, Kappes was a YES man.

[Roland99]

222. The book, Jawbreaker, just arrived yesterday. I wonder if there's anything

in it (although it's mostly about Afghanistan).

There are other books like the one from "Anonymous" (Michael Scheuer) (Imperial Hubris or something like that?) and the one called Ghost Wars that all touch on CIA operations. Wonder if there's anything in there on Kappes?

But, it may be a minor detail that doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things.

Let's take a quick review of what we DO know. (I see what I'm about to write as the beginnings of what I've been wanting to blog for a few weeks now but just never sat down to do it in detail the way it needs to be done...this will suit as a nice outline :) )


* Neoconservative movement forms in the wake of Leo Strauss.

* Neocons are disgusted with liberalism and a society promising individualism and want a return to a national identity. They determine they need to frame the struggle as a fight by America (good) against the evil in the world. Classic good vs. evil tale.

* Neocons latch onto the Soviets as their boogeyman. They exaggerate claims that the Soviets are ramping up nuclear arms production. I believe Rumsfeld's words were, "They've been busy, busy, busy, busy." (Yes, I'm reminded of the evil magician from the animated Frosty the Snowman). This gets the US to start outspending the Soviets and leading to a cottage industry in Hollywood (ie. - War Games). Soviets invade Afghanistan and the US joins foces with the Mujahedeen, calling them freedom fighters (keep that in mind). The US gives the CIA $1billion and a crapload of Stinger missiles and funnels the cash thru Pakistan's ISI to the Mujahedeen. Along comes bin Laden who's just itching to burn thru his wad of familial money. The others let him play along as he's loaded. We also have Zawahiri who's really the hard-nosed Islamist and wants to install Islamic states all over the Mideast and SW Asia (Zawahiri being a follower of the executed Sayyid Qutb who, like the neocons, saw the liberal societies of the west as a virus against a nationalistic society).

The Soviet/Afghani war wages on for a few years. The US supplying training, satellite photos of Soviet troop locations (keep that in mind, too), etc. Along comes Gorbachev and he sees the Soviet as it really is: A decrepit, failing state and decides to withdraw from Afghanistan in some manner as to still honor the tens of thousands who've died in Afghanistan (ring any bells there?). Pozner tried to negotiate a settlement with the US to install a stable government in Afghanistan. The Soviets knew an Islamic state would result and they didn't want that. However, Richard Perle said, "They arrived in a matter of days, on Christmas Eve; they can leave by Christmas Eve" (paraphrasing). The Soviets eventually withdraw and the war is over.

Mujahedeen declares victory over a Superpower and feel their ideology has been validated. Now they can install an Islamic state in Afghanistan. :woohoo:

The neocons also declare victory in that their training and support helped defeat the Soviets. They also feel their ideology was validated in that "evil" was defeated. Neocons leave Mujahedeen behind in the dust.

* Iran/Iraq war flares up. Rumsfeld shakes Saddam's hand. US supplies Iraq with satellite imagery of Iranian troop replacement (ah HA)

* Concurrently, the Muslim Brotherhood and Islamic Jihad ramp up their violence and start attacking gov'ts. When that fails to topple the western-friendly governments, they move to attacking fellow Muslims as obviously it is *they* who are infected with liberal individualism and don't understand Islamic states must be setup in order to "save" the soul and live righteously. Their violence escalates and creates a backlash against them which mutes their efforts for a while.

* Saddam invades Kuwait. Neocons want to continue on into Baghdad but Poppy ain't playing along.

* The neocons need a new boogeyman. The Soviet Union is gone but they latch onto something they think will work. Apparently, the Soviet remnants are behind all of the terror attacks in the world. Documentation is obtained to prove their point and they go to the CIA to take it to the President. Trouble is, the CIA recognizes the "documentation" as their own propaganda! They know it's a farce and tell the neocons to fack off. Along comes William Casey, freshly appointed to head the CIA and he falls for the neocons' "proof" hook, line, and sinker.

* Meanwhile, the neocons try to entrench their power in the US by enlisting the mindless sheep of the Religious Right. This turns the 1992 RNC into something nearer a Salem witch trial than a political convention in land of the free. The quick move to the far-right scares the bejeezus out of moderate Republicans and Bill "Big Dog" Clinton becomes President.

* Obviously, a Democratic President is an affront to the neocon mentality and the work begins quickly and in earnest to destroy Clinton. Lies are concocted re: Whitewater, Vince Foster, etc. (David Brock even comes forward later to declare they were all lies). Ken Starr (of the Federalist Society) spends $70 million to find wrongdoing re: Whitewater but only finds Monica and the infamous cigar. The Mighty Clenis is born! And impeached. The moral depravity of the liberals is shown before the whole world.

* Terror attacks hit the US in 1993, Khobar Towers attacked in 1996 and US embassies in Africa attacked in 1998. The neocons have their new boogeyman and start pushing for "regime change" in the Middle East and form the Project for a New American Century (the infamous PNAC). It's comprised of the same Straussians that have flitted in and out of power since the Nixon administration and have so far struck out on the truth in every aspect of their machinations. They create Al Qaeda as a worldwide network organized by bin Laden in order that they can bring the fight to bin Laden under US laws meant to snare mafia types.

* 2000 and the Fortunate Son (who previously stated no nation-building) reaches the White House. The neocons are in like Flynn and grab the top spots at the Pentagon, in the White House, and throughout the Cabinet. The war machine starts warming up. But, trouble is, where will it go? What they need is a target. BOOM! Sept. 11. "Al Qaeda" strikes the US. "Al Qaeda" is in tiny little Afghanistan. Easy pickings. Neocons contract out the job to Islamists' local enemies, Afghani warlords and the Northern Alliance. Some Tomahawks are launched for good TV back in the States. bin Laden is allowed to escape (don't want to kill off that boogeyman just yet) while "Al Qaeda" (which in reality is mostly just the Mujahedeen which don't care about the US...they're fighting for Islamic states in the Middle East) get rounded up by the Northen Alliance and the US kills them or ships them to Gitmo to rot w/o trial for years.

* War on Terror is loosening its grip on American minds. The public needs a new bad guy. Ah HA! Saddam! He's been sitting over there, contained, for a decade. Let's bomb his ass! Neocons go on a major propaganda spree, bringing in professional catapaulters like Chalabi. Hadley works up some fake documents in Italy to make it look like Saddam wants to buy yellowcake and Chalabi feeds "defectors" to the neocons for some unearned million$ All kinds of side activity go on with various members of the Republican party in Congress and outside of Congress, the details of which we're slowly uncovering (Plame, Sibel Edmonds, warrantless wiretaps, etc.) Iraq was supposed to greet the US with flowers and kisses and then the next step on the roadway to democracy would be Iran. However, the Islamists who've been lying dormant for the last several years and either survived Afghanistan or weren't there start flocking to Iraq to fight the western evil directly. This leads to a protracted "insurgency" in Iraq which delays the plans to invade Iran (Bolton must have the bluest balls on earth).


That pretty much leads us up to today's propaganda directed at Iran.

Anything major I might have missed?

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225. Nope you have summed up our current situation pretty well

What is your blog site?

[Roland99]

227. it's in my sig...(not link...duh)...my sig

I did miss the new twist re: the movement of WMDs into Syria (per the NY Sun written claim of one Gen. Sands...former member of Saddam's military)


I haven't updated the blog since Nov. (went on a business trip to China) and lost the motivation during the holidays.

I think it's time to get writing again.

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220. Emit have you seen this yet??? Relates to your post #211

I about fell out of my chair when I read it - article is from November 2005 and links Goss, Cheney and Roberts together along with some other tidbits.

I don't know how good this source is but it has all of it right there in one article.

Souce for article is a Thomas Heneghan - and he is a real person even ran for President in 2004????

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:FIlkqWCtOjUJ:tomflocco.com/fs/GossRefusesToGive.htm+nelda+rogers+cia&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2

WASHINGTON—November 26, 2005—TomFlocco.com—CIA Director Porter Goss is refusing to give special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald a subpoenaed damage assessment report written by former CIA Director George Tenet detailing how many American operatives were murdered and the full extent of harm to U.S. national security which resulted from the Bush administration leak exposing Valerie Plame Wilson as a deep cover operative, according to intelligence officials.

U.S. intelligence agents say Goss and the White House are obstructing justice by failing to cooperate with Fitzgerald’s grand jury while claiming that Americans are not entitled to see the contents of Tenet’s report for “national security” reasons.

In an interview with TomFlocco.com, national security expert Thomas Heneghan said American intelligence officials have evidence that Tenet took a $38 million dollar bribe to resign so the White House could blame the 9-11 attacks on faulty CIA intelligence.

~snip~

The intelligence whistleblower told us that evidence implicating former Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz and Under-Secretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith for violations of the Federal Espionage Act under U.S. Code Title 18, Section 793 is currently before Fitzgerald’s grand jury.

“Wolfowitz and Feith are agents of a foreign government, operating in the Bush administration to create spin as members of the secret White House Iraq Group,” said Heneghan, adding “they violated elements of the Espionage Act and bypassed the CIA in passing national security information to Israel.”

The assertions raise serious questions as to why the House and Senate are continuing to fail the American people by permitting spies to operate in the Pentagon, why President Bush would appoint agents of a foreign government to the Defense Department with access to military secrets, mission planning and technology—but also whether Congress is obstructing justice and condoning treason by the White House.

~snip~

Heneghan told TomFlocco.com that Valerie Plame’s CIA group used the cover of Brewster-Jennings Energy Company “to investigate the weapons of mass destruction (WMD) issue in Iraq and how Turkey could have been used as an invasion pivot point using troops coming from the north and south that may have prevented the insurgency if they swept through quickly—and the firefights would have been prevented at the Baghdad airport, where many Americans lost their lives.”

Plame and her team discovered and interdicted an attempt to plant WMD by Mossad agents, masking themselves as Israeli military officers working unofficially in Baghdad with the United States Military Central Command and known as the J2X Joint Intelligence Liaison, according to the federal whistleblower.

Heneghan’s intelligence sources also revealed that “former Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz was in command and control of the failed operation attempting to plant the WMD,” adding, “this was kept secret for the purpose of ‘discovering’ the weapons in order to justify the war.”

“The October, 2002 smuggling operation involving VX nerve gas and aluminum tubes may have traveled through the black market from provinces outside the Russian Federation and linked to rogue intelligence operative Gary Best, and then into Bosnia or Kosovo—but more likely Bosnia—and then into Turkey before being intercepted by Valerie Plame’s team; and this information is in the Tenet damage assessment report,” said Heneghan.

The Pakistan Daily Times reported that retired Navy Lt. Commander and 28 year Defense Department veteran Nelda Rogers, another Pentagon whistleblower, said “the Bush administration’s assurance about finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was based on a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) plan to 'plant' WMDs inside the country.”

~snip~

These and other revelations raise more questions regarding why House and Senate members are not subpoenaed by Fitzgerald to publicly testify as to why they are obstructing justice by permitting the White House to commit treason against the American people.


~snip~

There is evidence that CIA Director Goss conspired with Vice President Cheney, and Republican senators, including Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts (R-KS) and a Roberts staffer to leak the CIA “black site” foreign torture prisons story to Washington Post Assistant Managing Editor Robert Woodward.

The leak was used for a November 2 story by Dana Priest in an attempt to obstruct justice by “an end-run to discredit the CIA and the Fitzgerald grand jury investigation,” according to news reports and U.S. intelligence, said Heneghan.

Senator Trent Lott (R-MS) reportedly blew the whistle on the obstruction, telling CNN “this subject was discussed at a Republican senators-only luncheon last Tuesday, the day before the story ran in the Washington Post,” adding “a lot of it came out of that room last Tuesday…He was up here last week …and every word that was said in there went right to the newspaper.”

~snip~

In a startling revelation, Heneghan said “There are U.S. intelligence files and field reports which identify Bob Woodward as a deep cover member of the Office of Naval Intelligence with links to the Israeli Mossad,” adding, “there are also serious questions as to why Woodward was the first to obtain the CIA-Valerie Plame leak story and what role it played in his book which attempted to portray Bush as an ‘in-command’ leader.“

“There are also intelligence files indicating that Woodward’s retired boss and former Washington Post Editor-in-Chief Ben Bradlee is closely linked to the Mossad and knows the true story of President Kennedy’s assassination,” said Heneghan.

How much of this is true sounds pretty crazy but at the same time very intriguing

[Emit]

223. I think this source is

very questionable. Isn't Flocco the one that keeps posting reports on his website that are essentially saying that indictments were delivered to everyone from Rove, Libby on up to Bush and Cheney and that Gonzales is the one preventing word getting out to the public? I'll look thru this, but, I'm pretty sure he was debunked here at DU several months ago, around the time that Fitz handed down his indictments on Libby. He's just too unbelievable -- unless, of course, there is truth in what he's saying and we're the one's really that far off in the dark -- which would be just way too Orwellian, even for me! It's kinda like Madsen, or even La Rouche -- you suspect there's some truth in there somewhere, but it's so over the top, without enough corroborating or substantiating evidence, that it can not be relied upon.

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226. I was skeptical as well and it is hard sometimes to tell what

has been previously researched/debunked.

this is the one statement out the article that perked my attention - Goss/Roberts and Cheney

There is evidence that CIA Director Goss conspired with Vice President Cheney, and Republican senators, including Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts (R-KS) and a Roberts staffer to leak the CIA “black site” foreign torture prisons story to Washington Post Assistant Managing Editor Robert Woodward.

[Roland99]

228. To keep making the CIA look bad so they could use their own intel agency?

:scared:

[Emit]

233. Re this CIA overhaul thing -- on a philosophical note

Also noted in the book I'm reading that I've quoted (maybe too much!), the Straussian neocons' view of the faulty American liberalism applied as well to the CIA. stb, remember that post I pointed you to about Team B? And how it relates to Wolfowitz, who, as far as I can guess is really one of the major behind-the-scenes players who dates far back to the Nixon administration (where, barely 30, he was recrutied by Fred Ikle, the newly appointed head of the US Arms Control and Disarmament Agency) and who first started to have a neocon influence in our government (there are others for sure, but, if this book is accurate, he really is one of the first that had bridged the gap between academic philosophy and government/politics where the Straussian ideologies are concerned).

Here's some of that Team B post, recapped from that link above (because there's a typo there about Bush/Soviet Union) Should read as follows::

In 1976 Bush, the CIA's new director, moved to counter the criticism. He appointed a team of outside experts, called the B Team, to review the classified data and to draw up its own separate report on the Soviet Union and its intentions. Team B was headed by Richard Pipes ... Wolfowitz, still working at the US Arms Control and Disarmament Agency, was one of the ten members.

~snip~

This Team B exercise represented an important step in Wolfowitz's career. For the first time he was focusing on the underpinnings of American foreign policy, on the hidden assumptions and leaps of logic that lay beneath the dry, purportedly unbiased studies of the intelligence community. Many years later, in a retrospective interview with the CIA's own internal historians, Wolfowitz said he came to the conclusion that US intelligence analysts had been operating in the fashion of priesthood, issuing conclusions as if they were commandments written on tablets. "The B-Team demonstrated that it was possible to construct a sharply different view of Soviet motivation from the consensus view of the analysts, and one that provided a much closer fit to the Soviets' observed behavior (and also provided a much closer fit to the Soviets' observed behavior up to and through the invasion of Afghanistan)," Wolfowitz said.

~snip~

Wolfowitz's work on the B Team seems to have had a particularly strong influence on his own thinking. From then on the inadequacies of American intelligence became a frequent Wolfowitz theme. From his own perspective, the intelligence community simply wasn't being skeptical enough; it was too satisfied with information that confirmed its preconceptions. Critics made the reverse accusation against him; there were complaints that Wolfowitz was too eager to obtain intelligence reports that fitted in with his own conservative views. pp. 73-75, Rise of the Vulcans

Here's where it picks up:

After the terrorist attacks of 2001, as America gradually moved toward war against Saddam Hussein's Iraq, Wolfowitz was among the Bush administration officials pushing hard for the U.S. intelligence community to come up with stronger information about Iraq's ties to terrorism and its programs for weapons of mass destruction. Inside the Pentagon, Wolfowitz set up a special team to carry out independent analyses and draw its own conclusions from the intelligence on Iraq; the team was headed by Abram Shulsky, a veteran intelligence specialist who had been Wolfowitz's classmate and friend both at Cornell and at the University of Chicago (where Wolfowitz took two courses under Strauss before Strauss retired -- Emit). In a way, Wolfowitz was creating his own in-house Team B. (duh!- Emit) p. 75, Rise of the Vulcans

Anyway, back to the philosophy stuff:

Flashback to 1976: Wolfowitz was working at the arms control agency, and was directly opposed to Kissinger's foreign policy stance toward the Soviet Union. Francis Fukuyama was one of his interns. Essentially, the Kissinger vs Wolfowitz contention boiled down to: Kissinger strove toward detente, durable balance of power, realism; Wolfowitz stressed moral and religious principles (what a wonderful Machiavellian way to control the masses, huh? -- Emit):

In A World Restored, he had written with distaste of moral concerns. "Moral claims involve a quest for absolutes, a denial of nuance, a rejection of history," Kissinger argued.

By contrast, for Wolfowitz, moral principles were more important than stability or national interest. "I remember him saying the thing that's wrong with Kissinger is that he does not understand the country he's living in, that this is a country that is dedicated to certain universalistic principles," recalled Fukuyama.

Wolfowitz placed a higher value on political freedom than on preserving the existing balance of power. He would have happily embraced the Reaganites' "Morality in Foreign Policy" plank. Many years later, in the second Bush administration, Wolfowitz applied this same preference for moral values over political stability to the issue of American policy toward Iraq. If the overthrow of Saddam Hussein upset the existing balance of power int he Middle East, so be it, he reasoned. What mattered above all was the pursuit of what he considered moral values.

In his memoir of the Ford years, Kissinger disparaged those Americans who, in the fashion of Woodrow WIlson, see American foreign policy "as a struggle between good and evil, in each phase of which it is America's mission to help defeat the evil foes challenging a peaceful order ... Wilsonianism rejects peace through balance of power in favor of peace through moral consensus." Those words were an apt description of Wolfowitz's views, beginning in the Ford administration and continuing through the second Bush administration. More than any other single figure in the Republican foreign policy hierarchy, Wolfowitz viewed himself as Kissinger's opposite, his adversary in the realm of ideas. p. 76, Rise of the Vulcans

More on the philosophy of CIA...

....other Straussians, including Wolfowitz's close associate Abram Shulsky, carried the implications of Strauss's theories into the field of intelligence gathering. The Straussians argued that the analytic style of the CIA, developed under the Yale history professor Sherman Kent, had been intrinsically linked to the academic tradition of liberalism. Intelligence officials tended to assume that all leaders followed the same underlying processes and patterns of behavior (for example, trying to stay in power, furthering national interests, maintaining access to economic resources). Thus the best way for the CIA to predict how another government would behave in the future was to study objective criteria, such as economic outputs; planting spies and stealing secrets didn't matter so much. But in the Straussians' contrary view of intelligence gathering, what counted above all was the nature of the regime; tyrannies behaved in fundamentally different ways from democracies. As a result, the Straussians argued, American intelligence should pay much more attention to the phenomenon of deception. (Does anyone else see the irony here? So Machiavellian in light of the deception going on right now! --Emit) A totalitarian regime had the ability to deceive the world about what was happening inside its borders; to discover the reality that a dictator covered up, spies were important. p. 28, Rise of the Vulcans

So, like many things that Bush & Co. are overhauling, breaking down and starting a new, or just plain destroying, this overhaul of the CIA has its roots in an ideology -- Hawkish and Straussian and Machiavellian in nature -- an ideology that, yet again, dates back to the same recycled key players. The irony, or one of the ironies, is that Wolfowitz and other Straussians criticized the CIA for being biased toward liberal ideology that lacked a moral basis in it's attempt to be unbiased. Yet, their recreation of the CIA will undoubtedly be strongly biased toward their own perceptions and ideologies, which obscures any attempt at attainment of truth (not that I am to be perceived as naive in regards to thinking there is a lot of 'truth' in the CIA -- but, theoretically speaking). We really are in trouble. They are fast and furiously recreating America in a whole different light, one that pretty much subplants a lot of traditional liberal and secular thought that was born out of the Age of Reasoning, scientific reasoning and the Age of Enlightenment, IMHO. Of course we've know that, but they're applying it to every fine detail. And their use of the Machiavellian tactic of using religion (i.e., evil v good, morality, etc.) -- any religion -- as a framework set out to control the masses, even at the intelligence gathering level, is truly frightening.

[Roland99]

234. And just like the Islamists they'll keep ratcheting up their efforts

Neither one of them realizing they are both way in the wrong and failing on multiple levels.

[Emit]

239. But I think these neocons know exactly what they're doing. n/t

[Roland99]

240. Is their ultimate goal democracy around the world? I can't believe it.

Or are they just so far gone beyond the realm of the rational that they truly believe in their ideology? Seeing the video clips of various interviews it's still hard to say. Are they fronting something more diabolical with their rhetoric or do they believe their rhetoric?

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237. I am tying post# 235 by you with this one, Yes Weldon seems a little

corney or over the top in his plight to protect the American people. There were a couple of parts that jumped out at me concerning his overall views of the CIA.

These idealists were often willing to comply with any demand that the CIA would make of them, even at the risk of their lives. One of the CIA’s chief complaints against Ali is that he is not willing to divulge the identity of his sources to them. Ali argues that this is unacceptable, as it would make him completely subservient to the CIA. Nor does he trust the CIA to protect his sources. In the war on terrorism, the CIA cannot expect to find many ideological idealists who are willing to let the CIA “own” them, and completely subordinate their interests to those of the CIA.

The CIA’s approach is obsolete. Institutional Memory. Ali’s friendship with Manucher Gorbanifar may account for the CIA’s refusal to work with him. The CIA blames Gorbanifar for the failure of its Iran–Contra operation, and has come to
regard him as an enemy. Gorbanifar claims that the CIA made him the scapegoat for the humiliating Iran–Contra affair, and has come to believe its own propaganda, from nearly two decades ago.

Interesting how Weldon takes Ali's side in this CIA Ali credibilty issue, given that Weldon seems to think alot of Ali, at least in that limited 20 page excerpt you linked me to.



The intelligence community might not want to work with Ali
precisely because he is an excellent source of startling intelligence on terrorist activities and Iran’s programs for weapons of mass destruction (WMD), and because he is associated with the Iranian counterrevolutionary movement. The CIA, DIA, and NSA know that the U.S. military is stretched thin prosecuting the war against terrorism in Iraq and Afghanistan. There is a looming crisis with North Korea, which may soon pose another challenge to the U.S. military. Simply put, the United States at this moment cannot afford to become entangled in war against Iran. The intelligence community may fear that this is precisely what could happen by working with Ali.

Emit your research continues to offer more pieces that are worth chewing on - Thank you, did you see Leopold's latest - it is on the front page of DU, I am going to read that over again. At first glance it looks like the article from last week that he published in the Rock River Times, but on second glance there is more precise language regarding Darth Cheney and friends

http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=c65b2484511e0a1b


on edit it is the same article dated 02/09/06 that was already discussed here from truthout.org

[Emit]

248. Able Danger - Weldon

There is a hearing scheduled today according to this thread, but, I don't know if we've missed it or what. When I get a longer break, I'll check into CSPAN - maybe they have it on, or, if I missed it, it will repeat:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x424097

Quoted from the link above:

reprehensor (1000+ posts) Wed Feb-15-06 04:20 AM
Original message
Able Danger & the 9/11 Commission

...tomorrow, we will present irrefutable evidence that Zelikow did meet with Tony Shaffer, and we'll present physical evidence of that meeting.

I don't know what's going on. But I can tell you that this country needs to get to the bottom of who does not want the American people to know the facts leading up to 9/11; why the 9/11 Commission deliberately denied information to the commissioners?

I don't think the commissioners were ever briefed on Able Danger. In fact, I know two of them were never briefed, because I talked to them personally. Was this an effort by both administrations to keep information from the American people about what was known before 9/11? If that's the case, that is outrageous and wrong.

The hearings are designed to get at the facts, nothing more, nothing less. There's no spin on these witnesses. They're not out to tell a story for some private gain. They're simply here to tell the story so the American people will hopefully begin to understand the information leading up to the most terrible and egregious attack in the history of our country; an attack that's very personal for me because I lost good friends...

http://www.abledangerblog.com/2006/02/weldon-press-conference-transcript.html
Weldon's press conference, Feb.14th


Able Danger hearings get under way Wednesday, Feb.15th.

[Emit]

235. Thanks, I'm following. Now, this CIA overhaul on a technical level

Have you read more out of Weldon's book? I don't have the book, but I did find some pages excerpted on line here:
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:pG76P6H7W8MJ:www.curevents.com/vb/archive/index.php/t-19341.html++Kappes+Goss+Weldon+Klink&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

Excerpted right around the same quote RawStory noted. You may have read some of this before, but this is the long version from Weldon:

Because of the nature of Ali’s claims, I believed it important that I meet personally with George Tenet, then director of the CIA. I asked Tenet to have the CIA meet with Ali, evaluate him, and work with him if the agency judged he might be useful. Because of Ali’s background and connections, I assumed the CIA would employ him. The CIA routinely places people on its payroll whose credentials are far less impressive than Ali’s. Tenet appeared interested, even enthusiastic, about evaluating Ali and establishing a working relationship with him. He agreed to send his top spy, Stephen Kappes, the deputy director of operations, along with me to Paris for another debriefing of Ali. It was at this point that I entered the “wilderness of mirrors.” On the day of our scheduled second meeting with Ali in Paris, Kappes bowed out, claiming that “other commitments” compelled him to cancel. Given the high stakes in the war on terrorism, and the well-known fact that the CIA is desperately deficient in human intelligence sources—and that the meeting had been blessed by Kappes’s superior, Tenet—I found it hard to imagine what “other commitments” could have possibly been more compelling.

Later, the CIA claimed to have met with Ali independently. But I discovered this to be untrue. The CIA admitted this, with no explanation as to why they would lie to me about the meeting.

Incredibly, I learned that the CIA had apparently asked French intelligence to silence Ali. Ali had had no contact with the French ministry of Interior, France’s equivalent of the FBI, for many years. Yet shortly after the CIA discovered Ali was talking to me, an agent from the French Ministry of Interior requested a meeting with Ali to discuss what he knew about terrorism. Although the French agent did not overtly threaten Ali, Ali nonetheless regarded the meeting as ominous, given its close coincidence with the time he was supposed to meet with the CIA. The purpose of the French Ministry of Interior appears to have been to intimidate Ali. Weeks later, the CIA finally met with Ali. But the agency’s purpose was to chastise him and threaten him for talking to a member of Congress.

Point blank, Ali was warned to shut his mouth and stop talking to Curt Weldon. Meanwhile, I tried to work with Stephen Kappes. I encouraged Kappes to investigate Ali’s credentials and offered to set up another meeting. Finally, Kappes threatened me too. He warned me to stop working with Ali. He said it was a violation of U.S. law for an American citizen to meet with a foreign agent. I know the law. His claim was preposterous and I told him so. Kappes then warned me that it might be dangerous for my personal safety to associate with someone like Ali. Fortunately, Kappes has now resigned from the CIA. He resigned after unsuccessfully challenging the leadership of the new CIA director, Porter Goss. Kappes was the ringleader of an internal CIA rebellion. He was one of many in the CIA resistant to needed reforms. Even with Kappes gone, the CIA has yet to establish a working relationship with Ali.

~snip~


Next, I turned to my friend Porter Goss, then chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI). I explained the Ali situation to Porter. I sent Porter and Pat Roberts, chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI), all of the Ali materials and the sad history of the CIA’s strange behavior, warning that this constituted a dangerous “intelligence failure in the process of happening.”

For once, this pushed the CIA in a constructive direction. Agents again met with Ali and promised to work with him. But it was all for show. As soon as the attention of the HPSCI and SSCI turned to other matters, the CIA abandoned Ali and did not follow through on their promise to work with him. It is obvious that the CIA’s temporary good behavior was only a pretense to deceive the congressional oversight committees. The DIA and the NSA also chose to ignore Ali. Why the intelligence community stubbornly refuses to work with Ali remains a mystery. I have several theories, but none is adequate alone to account for such a gross dereliction of duty.

Incompetence...

Now, was this incompetence, or was it purposeful? We may never know. Weldon sure wants us to believe that it was pure incompetence. I've always found Weldon and this whole story of his about Ali pretty curious. I honestly do not know what to make of it all. I just don't trust Weldon. He's reported to have ties with the Rev. Moon (I'll dig up my old link) and, if you read the entire passage at the link above, there is a feel about his writing that smells of something fishy -- can't quite put my finger on it now, but off the top of my head, he plays right into the CIA failure plot, blame Clinton, diversion, diversion, diversion.

On Klink, if you haven't read something about this already:

Sunday, December 4, 2005

Ron Klink may attempt a political comeback.
The one-time U.S. representative from Murrysville, who gave up his congressional job in 2000 for an unsuccessful attempt to unseat Sen. Rick Santorum, is widely rumored to be mulling a run to regain his 4th District seat.

Whether he could defeat Republican Melissa Hart of Bradford Woods is very uncertain.

Remember, Klink alienated many Democrats last year by supporting Republican Sen. Arlen Specter's successful re-election bid over the Democrat candidate, former U.S. Rep. Joe Hoeffel of Montgomery County.

The state Democratic Party and the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee both criticized the endorsement as an attempt by Klink to prop up his faltering lobbying business by firming up his ties to Specter. Klink denied the allegation. ~snip~

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:s-qK2PAuPCUJ:www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/columnists/whispers/s_400220.html++Ron+Klink+Democrat+Congress&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3

[Nothing Without Hope]

75. ***DU THREAD ON STEVE CLEMONS' INFO - now up at Huffington Post

and will come up at Washington Note:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x403473
thread title (2-13-06 GD): S Clemons: "If Cheney & Co. outed one of the key intelligence operations
Comment/excerpt: “Someone with knowledge of the classified report that Joe Wilson filed after his now famed investigative trip to Niger shared with me that there were two notes in that report that had nothing to do with Iraq and its purported activities in Niger. These two notes focused on Iran's interests and possible activities in Niger.” Link to Clemons’ Huffington Post piece in Reply 6, more will come out at his Washington Note.

[Nothing Without Hope]

50. K & R - this better break through the corporate media censorship barrier!

Send it to Olbermann!

[e-mail]

And if one person - Plame Wilson - was so important in this effort, imagine the impact that shutting down all of Brewster-Jennings had! (And even if SHE didn't work on the Khan case, others there must have - though that has got to be a deep, dark secret indeed.)

[mtnester]

56. May I use the word "Traitor" now?

does it now fall to that level?

Can I <u>NOW</u> use Cheney and the Blivet's name in the same sentence as Aaron Burr and Benedict Arnold?

I think so. I think this absolutely rises to the treason level.

That word should accompany the word Cheney and Bush when used in ANY sentence now.

[Straight Shooter]

61. I await with great anticipation the commentary by H20Man on this situation

Those aspens are turning, turning, turning, aren't they? No wonder Cheney was so distracted he shot his friend. Cheney is now incapable of thinking straight. Too much on his diabolical mind, and too many fires on the front porch to stomp out.

[snacker]

68. Kick n/t

[JNelson6563]

70. Ok, we can do one of two things

a.) Elevate the National Security threat level for undisclosed reasons.
b.) Come up with an attractive (read: white/blonde) female gone missing.

[stevietheman]

72. This attached comment says it all...

"Possible motives? Duh! The Bush Administration didn't want any 'inconvenient facts' from messing up their case for war with Iran."

[Triana]

83. DAMN those bastards! Now we're without her expertise...

...the VERY thing the GOP claims to be 'protecting' us from - WMD and terrorists and what do they DO? OUT a CIA operative that specializes in non-proliferation/detection of WMD in order to get revenge on her husband because he dared disagree with their plan to invade Iraq under false pretense.

BASTARDS!

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr! :mad:

The thing about Republicans - that is ALWAYS the order of their priorities (ie: bassackwards). THEMSELVES first - always. To Hell with the country. Yet they'll sit there and pretentiously yammer on about how THEY are better at national security. :wtf:

Not with THOSE priorities they're not!

[acmavm]

87. Interesting, now what were these guys up to that they had to

try to discredit this couple. Her husband busted them on Iraq and the propaganda that led up to the war. Wonder what she had on 'em?

[McCamy Taylor]

95. Holy moly! So they wanted her out before they attacked Iran.Sneaky!

[BadGimp]

96. Now that Cheney has all but admitted he authorized the leak..

This insight will put tremendous pressure on the GOP to investigsate Dick.

NOW things are gonna get ugly.

[reprobate]

97. Thanks for the links. sent out thirty. Poor keyboard won't be the same

[Up2Late]

98. Sooooooo, if Cheney outed her deliberately, I'd say Treason would be...

the correct charge for his "High Crime." I don't know if you can be charged as a traitor, but he would qualify.

[Roland99]

102. Cheney is more of a threat to National Security than is Ahmenidejad (sp?)

[kineneb]

112. all really good info, but can someone make up a visual

like a flow chart or such so we can see how all the pieces connect...I am sort of getting lost in the middle, and I am sure I am not the only one...

(sorry, guys, but reality is having trouble with me today...)

[Roland99]

114. Good question. So many things I'd like to do, so little time

;)

[Emit]

132. I've seen this one at this link here

which is based on Juan Cole's timeline on Plame/Niger forgeries. It's old -- from fall of last year -- so a lot of info has come out since and thus is not complete. But, it's a good attempt. I contacted its creator and asked for an updated version. He said it's in the works and he'll email me a link when it's done. You'll have to go to the link to enlarge it -- can't manage that right now, sorry.

http://uggabugga.blogspot.com/2004/08/complicated-juan-cole-has-new-post.html

[Roland99]

141. I think they'll need to turn it into a Powerpoint presentation

Getting too complex.

[Peace Patriot]

144. Thanks, Emit! I wasn't aware of this outline. I'll go there now and

check it out.

[Emit]

151. de nada -- let me know what you think of it

let me know your opinion -- I could email the guy again and give him some pointers if he's interested. I think this was a valiant effort on his part, but I'm not as keenly aware as some of you good folks here at DU are about the players involved, where they would fit in, etc.

I've thought about putting something together myself, but I don't have the time right now, that's why, several weeks ago, I went searching for one on line, and this is the best I found -- actually, I think it's the only one I found. I even tried to get a diagram of the WH State Department, Pentagon, CIA, etc. to see if I could use them as a template if I find the time to put one together. (My skills aren't that great, though, so it would take me a while). I think a visual diagram helps those of us who aren't as familiar with the roles, offices held, connections, intricacies, etc. of this convoluted story.

Anyway, let me know what you think. TX

[kineneb]

156. this is what I had in mind, thanks

only I think the info in the OP adds even more noodles to that plate of spaghetti...it does rather seem the same names keep popping up...

I think we will all need the blessings of the Flying Spaghetti Monster for this mess...ramen.

[Roland99]

165. All hail his noodly appendage!

For He is the Whey




Hey, could you pass the Parmesan?

[tex-wyo-dem]

113. Wow! This looks like it fits into the expression...

"two birds with one stone"...discredit Wilson for information damaging to the case for going to war with Iraq and damage his wife (and the entire operation she works for) to block any damaging information regarding the case for going to war with Iran.

Once again, it all boils down to the PNAC: these guys have been planning to invade Iraq, Iran and Syria since at least the mid '90s, so anything which stands in the way of them fulfilling this goal will be removed by all means possible...even treason.

[Roland99]

115. And what will happen once the planned democracies fail to materialize?

I guess the neocons plan to re-invade?

[Emit]

123. Yes, and check this out

Stephen Hadley, who fits right into this mess, put together this report (with others, including Steve Cambone) a few years back, regarding Europe and missile defense/preparation. Notice the wording:

From: POLICY PAPER
European Views of National Missile Defense
SEPTEMBER 2000
Stephen Cambone
Ivo Daalder
Stephen J. Hadley
Christopher J. Makins

... Iran is accepted as a more ambiguous case. European experts tend to discount Iran
as a ‘threat’ and to believe that European countries' diplomatic and economic
engagement with it will ensure that it does not become one. But not all are so
sanguine and further evidence of Iranian development of weapons of mass
destruction (for example confirmation of an Iranian nuclear weapons capability)
would certainly be a cause for reassessment.

http://www.acus.org/docs/0009-European_Views_National_Missile_Defense.pdf


Now, note the similar tone to the infamous PNAC Report, Rebuilding America's Defenses, Strategy, Forces and Resources
For a New Century from 2000.

Further, the process of transformation,
even if it brings revolutionary change, is
likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a
new Pearl Harbor.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/publicationsreports.htm

[Roland99]

130. Here is more on Stephen Cambone...courtesy of Seymour Hersh >>>>>

THE COMING WARS
What the Pentagon can now do in secret.
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?050124fa_fact

Giraldi, who served three years in military intelligence before joining the C.I.A., said that he was troubled by the military’s expanded covert assignment. “I don’t think they can handle the cover,” he told me. “They’ve got to have a different mind-set. They’ve got to handle new roles and get into foreign cultures and learn how other people think. If you’re going into a village and shooting people, it doesn’t matter,” Giraldi added. “But if you’re running operations that involve finesse and sensitivity, the military can’t do it. Which is why these kind of operations were always run out of the agency.” I was told that many Special Operations officers also have serious misgivings.

Rumsfeld and two of his key deputies, Stephen Cambone, the Under-secretary of Defense for Intelligence, and Army Lieutenant General William G. (Jerry) Boykin, will be part of the chain of command for the new commando operations. Relevant members of the House and Senate intelligence committees have been briefed on the Defense Department’s expanded role in covert affairs, a Pentagon adviser assured me, but he did not know how extensive the briefings had been.

“I’m conflicted about the idea of operating without congressional oversight,” the Pentagon adviser said. “But I’ve been told that there will be oversight down to the specific operation.” A second Pentagon adviser agreed, with a significant caveat. “There are reporting requirements,” he said. “But to execute the finding we don’t have to go back and say, ‘We’re going here and there.’ No nitty-gritty detail and no micromanagement.”

The legal questions about the Pentagon’s right to conduct covert operations without informing Congress have not been resolved. “It’s a very, very gray area,” said Jeffrey H. Smith, a West Point graduate who served as the C.I.A.’s general counsel in the mid-nineteen-nineties. “Congress believes it voted to include all such covert activities carried out by the armed forces. The military says, ‘No, the things we’re doing are not intelligence actions under the statute but necessary military steps authorized by the President, as Commander-in-Chief, to “prepare the battlefield.”’” Referring to his days at the C.I.A., Smith added, “We were always careful not to use the armed forces in a covert action without a Presidential finding. The Bush Administration has taken a much more aggressive stance.”

Secret Unit Expands Rumsfeld's Domain
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29414-2005Jan22_2.html

Under Title 10, for example, the Defense Department must report to Congress all "deployment orders," or formal instructions from the Joint Chiefs of Staff to position U.S. forces for combat. But guidelines issued this month by Undersecretary for Intelligence Stephen A. Cambone state that special operations forces may "conduct clandestine HUMINT operations . . . before publication" of a deployment order, rendering notification unnecessary. Pentagon lawyers also define the "war on terror" as ongoing, indefinite and global in scope. That analysis effectively discards the limitation of the defense secretary's war powers to times and places of imminent combat.

[peacetalksforall]

118. TEN YEARS. TEN YEARS. And Axis of Evil.

. Several Intelligence people guess that it will take 10 YEARS to recover from the 'outing'.
. Last summer, the NSC said that it would be 10 YEARS before Iran had nuc bombs.

"Several intelligence officials described the damage in terms of how long it would take for the agency to recover. According to their own assessment, the CIA would be impaired for up to "ten years" in its capacity to adequately monitor nuclear proliferation on the level of efficiency and accuracy it had prior to the White House leak of Plame Wilson's identity."

Now, how much will it cost the taxpayers to build up that cover? 1 year = xxx$$$ x 10 = total xxx of $$$.

They are mucking us.

I hope more people will start writing about Cheney's dealings with Khan.

Notice in the article - PAKISTAN Iran and North Korea.
Notice in the WH admin - IRAQ Iran and North Korea.

Pakistan facilitates Cheney's relations with Khan?

[WebChamp]

126. 100% treason, nothing else.

[goforit]

133. Unfriggin believable!!!.....Cheney and Bush are the biggest traitors!!!

I've have just about had it with these bozos that are
causing havoc world wide and this has got to be the icing on the cake.

Iran can be hostile and these guys have certainly motivated
them to be even more so.

Cheney/Bush have destroyed the CIA and allowing infiltrates to
to uncover any covert program we have.

With Chalabi being they're number 1 go getter we are truely never more vulnerable as a country today than we ever have.

[TheGunslinger]

137. From the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Report:

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/001246.php

The intelligence report also said that Niger's former Minister for Energy and Mines . Mai Manga, stated that there were no sales outside of International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) channels since the mid-1980s. He knew of no contracts signed between Niger and any rogue states for the sale of uranium. He said that an Iranian delegation was interested in purchasing 400 tons of yellowcake from Niger in 1998, but said that no contract was ever signed with Iran.

Mai Manga also described how the French mining consortium controls Nigerien uranium mining and keeps the uranium very tightly controlled from the time it is mined until the time it is loaded onto ships in Benin for transport overseas. Mai Manga believed it would be difficult, if not impossible, to arrange a special shipment of uranium to a pariah state given these controls.

[brentspeak]

142. This isn't a story until we get some names

Until then, it's just more RawStory.

[Peace Patriot]

143. Early on in the "hunt" for WMDs in Iraq (after the invasion) someone

working for Manucher Ghorbanifar tried to convince the CIA that Iran had sneaked into Iraq, pre-invasion, and had stolen Iraq's nukes or nuke materials and taken them to Iran--a total scam, which the CIA easily exposed. When it came to details and site inspections, it didn't hold up. I don't have the url; it was in some Congressman's book (he got the first contact about it, I believe). It was an odd scam--concerning which a similar question arises as with the Niger docs: why were they "crude' forgeries--so easily detectable? Why try to pass this scam off--if it was known that the details wouldn't uphold it?

I guessed that the Neo-Cons were testing people in the CIA, to find out who would go along with their dirty plays and who wouldn't. If the CIA had just not been so hung up on the details, the Bush junta would have had a nice front page story about why the "hunt" was leading them over the border into Iran for an expanded war. But the phony story got shot down early--and I wonder, now, what happened to the CIA agents who debunked it? Was this a 'purge the honest agents' scheme?

This new revelation also opens up a new front in trying to figure out what underlies Traitorgate. There are so many weird facts in the known story: For instance, Joseph Wilson was pestering the junta about the bad Niger/Iraq allegation for many months before he published his article. His article cannot have been that much of a surprise to them. In fact, I'm fairly sure they expected it, even wanted it (and maybe even set things up that way--see below). So, why do they appear to have been in a panic in the week after his article was published (July 6-12, 2003), and why do they go into a full court press to "out" one the country's most experienced WMD agents and her entire network, over a mere article--and contact at least SIX reporters in one week, looking for a patsy to publish her name (or as a cover story--i.e., "everybody knew")(six journalist witnesses to treason), and why involve so many top Bushites in this risky and rushed effort? All because of a disgruntled ex-ambassador's opinion piece? They had control of the newsstream, and could have just let it die--ignore it, even ignore his book--and get back at him some other way, on a longer term and less risky basis.

Questions like these led to the WMD-planting theory of Traitorgate--that Traitorgate is a coverup for a scheme to plant WMDs in Iraq (probably to be "found" by Judith Miller), that went awry--that got exposed and foiled. Here's the outline of it:

Part 1 of the plot

Plant phony Niger documents in the intelligence stream, to draw the CIA out into a public position of no nukes in Iraq. This was probably what the Rome group was doing--and the reason why the docs were so "crude"; they were meant to be exposed. And...

Part 2 of the plot

The other job of the Rome group (and the reason for the presence of notorious Iranian arms dealer Ghorbanifar) was to procure nukes/nuke materials and plant them on Iraqi soil to be "found" by US troops. Judith Miller was in Iraq, post-invasion, with the US troops who were "hunting" for the WMDs everybody knew weren't there--and she had a special "embed" contract signed by Donald Rumsfeld himself. Reports from local commanders were that she threw her weight around, and directed the troops here and there. She was a real annoyance to them. (This fits with her knowing that the WMDs were going to be "planted.") The purpose of Part 2 was to totally discredit the CIA and make them more purge-able, and, of course, to enormously benefit Bush/Blair's political fortunes.

But no WMDs were found. There were several reports from Islamic news sources of illicit US weapons movements, including one that met with "friendly fire." Somehow the scheme was prevented. And David Kelly's untimely and highly suspicious death in England, three days after Plame was outed, may be connected to who knew about the Bushite WMD plot and who foiled it. Kelly was the Brits chief WMD expert, who began whistleblowing to the BBC, anonymously, about the exaggerated pre-war WMD intel, in late May 2003.

Kelly was an excellent scientist, with the reputation of a "tough guy", who was highly experienced at WMD inspections in Russia and Iraq. He was a patriotic insider, who believed in his work of WMD counter-proliferation. He supported the invasion--he wanted Saddam ousted. But something turned him around about the war, in spring 2003, after the invasion. He wanted the public to know that the case for the war had been flawed. His discovery of a deceitful scheme to plant WMDs in Iraq is a good candidate for his motivation in talking to the BBC. Here's the time-line:

Late May 2003: Kelly begins whistleblowing anonymously to the BBC.

Mid June: Libby/Miller meeting (about Plame...and what else?)

Late June 2003: Somebody outs Kelly to his bosses*; he is interrogated at a safe house and threatened with the official secrets act.

July 6, 2003: Wilson publishes his article.

July 7, 2003: Blair is told that Kelly "could say some uncomfortable things" (could say, not HAD said). (Hutton report.)

July 6-12, 2003: Plame memo uploaded to AF-1 (on a trip to Africa). Libby, Rove contact six reporters re: Plame.

July 14, 2003: Plame outed, by Novak.

July 18, 2003: Kelly found dead near his home (one slit wrist, bled to death all night outdoors under a tree--supposedly); his office and computers are searched.

July 22, 2003: The entire Brewster-Jennings counter-proliferation network is outed, also by Novak, disabling all projects and putting covert agents/contacts at great risk.

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SOMETHING is going on here, UNDER Traitorgate. It appears to me that Kelly likely knew more than he was whistlblowing about to the BBC (he even remarked at one point that he'd promised not to reveal any "state secrets"). What ELSE he knew (beyond "sexed up" intel) is what got him killed (or driven to suicide), and if what he knew about was a Bushite plot to plant WMDs that was foiled, and that Plame/BJ was involved in foiling it, THIS most certainly could have sent the Bushites into a panic during the week of July 6-12 (not Wilson's article, of July 6, as appears to be the case in the known story, but rather a Blair phone call July 7 about Kelly), because they wouldn't know, at that point, how far the knowledge had gotten around--and this was Bush/Blair-toppling knowledge, exposing their whole Iraq deceit in one blow. Even if Plame/BJ only just knew about it, the Bushites had to frighten and silence that network. And, if, as is obvious now, they were/are aimed at Iran, they certainly would not want Plame/BJ gathering good intelligence in a situation in which they intended to frame Iran, just as they had framed Iraq.

Wilson's article, in this scenario, would have been half-planned (baiting the CIA/liberal cabal into the open on no nukes in Iraq), and half opportunistic use of the moment. The Rovian political revenge story didn't wash. (That one smelled from the beginning--and may have been a Libby attempt to pin all guilt on Rove.) Now we're up to a general White House conspiracy to "punish" Wilson for his dissent. But I still don't buy it. I think Plame/BJ and the "white hat" CIA was the target all along--and the plan to discredit them (and reap political benefit from "finding" WMDs in Iraq/Iran) went way back to 2001 and the Rome group meeting. And it doesn't hurt this theory that Ghorbanifar had a grudge against the CIA (they had discredited HIM as an unreliable source, long ago).

The WMD-planting theory is still just that--a theory. But it's a pretty good one, that has held up well as new info has come out. It is expecially compelling given the provocative coincidence of Plame/Kelly dates. This info about very significant damage to the BJ network on IRAN issues supports the theory, in that the theory posits a long term effort to harm, discredit and purge honest information gatherers and knowledgeable WMD insiders, to give the Bush junta a clear playing field in which to spin lies and manufacture wars for financial gain.

I do, however, think that we should be very wary of disinformation, and of people disclosing things to serve their own agendas. I wouldn't write off the AQ Khan investigation just yet (as connected to the Plame outing). And there are other possibilities--other Bushite crimes/coverups--as well. But this new info on Iran certainly does fit with the long term motivations--and presumed deeds--of this theory.

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*(Judith Miller is my candidate for who outed David Kelly to his bosses. They were old colleagues. She had used him as a major quoted source in her book "Germs." Kelly wrote his last email, on the day he died, July 17, to Judith Miller--the email in which he was concerned about the "many dark actors playing games." The email was released by his family, not by Miller. She failed to disclose the email, or her close association with Kelly, in the obit she wrote on him for the NYT on July 22, 2003.)

[Roland99]

146. Are you talking about this? (Ledeen and Hadley were involved)

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Backchannels_used_to_bypass_U.S._government_0111.html

[Emit]

180. Peace Patriot

Check this out (my apologies for quoting this book so often, Rise of the Vulcans, but it really has a lot of detailed info, although not necessarily in a context related to any of these scandals, which almost makes it even more a credible source, if you know what I mean) Anyway, your discussion about journalists got me thinking, in retrospect, about this section of the book:


The author is discussing Cheney's job as deputy chief of staff, describing how he took care of mundane duties such as making sure the plumbing in the WH (literally), etc. Then he goes on to say,

It wasn't long before Cheney was taking over larger, more important assignments, standing in as Rumsfeld's alter ego when the chief of staff was occupied elsewhere. One natural area for Cheney was intelligence: He was trustworthy, faceless and unfailingly discreet. During the Ford years the CIA was trying to fend off an unending series of press and congressional investigations and, with them, efforts by the Justice Department to establish new rules and guidelines to govern intelligence collection. In May 1975 the New York Times published a story by Seymour Hersh describing the US intelligence community's secret effort to lift a sunken Soviet submarine off the seabed in the Pacific Ocean. Cheney was in charge of the meetings aimed at trying to figure out if the Ford administration should take legal action against the newspaper. Cheney's handwritten notes show that he actively considered a number of countermeasures, such as seeking an indictment of Hersh and the Times or even obtaining a warrant to search Hersh's apartment. The aim, Cheney wrote, was "to discourage the NYT and other publications from similar actions." In the end CHeney and the White House decided to back off after the intelligence community decided its work had not been significantly damaged. pp60-61

Just thought you might be interested in that little weird tidbit. Nothing significant on the whole, but in relation to NYT journalists, and Cheney's history with 'dealing' with them, heading up intelligence assignments to try to fend off the press, etc., it's interesting, huh?

[lovuian]

181. This is what Cheney was up to he wanted her out of there

and to destroy the Intelligence agency... WOW he is a traitor...

[Roland99]

192. And it couldn't be more obvious that Cheney is a TRAITOR!! M$M? Silent.

Buh-bye, democracy.

[usregimechange]

183. Check out the votes this thread has got, largest I have seen.

[Roland99]

196. I saw one hit about 170 last week I think

and one hit 146 during the Alito hearings.

But, we can get there! :D

[mia]

189. Who says Cheney isn't a good shot?

http://www.swgc.mun.ca/courses/vart2600/2002/jmcpeake/Flag%20Gallery.htm

[Tin Man]

193. K & R - excellent work, RawStory!!!

:)

[kineneb]

203. Bernie Ward discussed this on his show last night

so at least those who listen to him on KGO, in the SF Bay Area and beyond, have heard about it. He had a long lead up and then mentioned this Rawstory article.

I am afraid I fell asleep in the middle of the hour, sorry.

[Coastie for Truth]

217. This is an impeachable offense

This is just a little ittsy wittsy teeny weeny bit, like a scooch, worse then AIPAC or Lawrence Franklin or Jonathan Pollard. Outing Valerie Plame is on a level with Robert Hannsen's perfidy or Aldrich Ames' perfidy.

<>
MY "COP BADGE"

[Roland99]

230. I think it's levels of magnitude worse than Aldrich or Hannsen

This is to cover up massive corruption and also to provide a means to create false intelligence to sell to the public and the UN in order to invade/attack Iran. That is a crime so far and above just espionage that it's unfathomable!!

[Zhade]

224. They did this to ensure war with Iran.

I'm certain of it.

Why haven't these guys been dragged to prison yet, again?

[Coastie for Truth]

229. My wife - who is quite liberal but "cautious"

now says that Cheney - and everybody else involved -- should be impeached and prosecuted for Treason and Violating The Espionage Act.

[robertpaulsen]

231. I think I need to write a 2nd edition of American Judas in the future.

This is really fantastic! Look at the bottom of the page to all the links to the related articles. Connect the dots. If the Khan network is only part of the WMD proliferation Plame was tracking, what other part that Brewster Jennings was tracking could have freaked the neocons out so much that they would sabotage the entire network by outing Plame?

[Roland99]

232. Hard to say but if you write another edition, we'd all be appreciative!

BTW, if you want any quick summary info, feel free to lift from here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2459571&mesg_id=2459571

Or even to add to the discussion there. I posted that mostly from an ideological timeline summary viewpoint.

[lala_rawraw]

241. boy, does anyone else sense

a really obvious non-reference AT ALL to this on any TV show anywhere for any reason? Okay, start printing and leaving everywhere you go... Paper Chase this. Amazing! Perhaps after they take out Iran the MSM can say "it's old news"

unreal, no joke, totally unreal... even the foreign press picked this up... what in god's name is going on?????:((

[Roland99]

244. Great idea!

The lack of ANY mention on TV is bolstering my belief that the neocons have managed to wrangle control of the media at the highest levels, too. Why not? How else to get the proper message across to the American people?

[stop the bleeding]

245. me too,

:(

[stop the bleeding]

247. small consolation, Stephanie Miller talked about this - on her show today

:yourock:

[lala_rawraw]

249. no it is very cool that alternative media picked it up

but not even a look-see by KO?

[myrna minx]

251. It is totally unacceptable that there is a media blackout on this.

:grr:

[mmonk]

246. The Khan network.

Truth's smoking gun.

[mdmc]

250. another treasonous

:kick:

[Emit]

253. Anybody catch this part of the Faux News Hume/Cheney interview?

It's at the tail-end of the 'Cheney shooting' interview. Also, KO discussed this part with John Dean, and Dean said he needs to go home and do some homework (my paraphrasing -- not his words) about this 'unilateral declassification of information' that Hume/Cheney discussed. Interesting.

Hume: On another subject, court filings have indicated that Scooter Libby has suggested that his superiors — unidentified — authorized the release of some classified information. What do you know about that?

Cheney: It’s nothing I can talk about, Brit. This is an issue that’s been under investigation for a couple of years. I’ve cooperated fully, including being interviewed, as well, by a special prosecutor. All of it is now going to trial. Scooter is entitled to the presumption of innocence. He’s a great guy. I’ve worked with him for a long time, have enormous regard for him. I may well be called as a witness at some point in the case and it’s, therefore, inappropriate for me to comment on any facet of the case.

Hume: Let me ask you another question. Is it your view that a Vice President has the authority to declassify information?

Cheney: There is an executive order to that effect.

Hume: There is.

Cheney: Yes.

Hume: Have you done it?

Cheney: Well, I’ve certainly advocated declassification and participated in declassification decisions. The executive order —

Hume: You ever done it unilaterally?

Cheney: I don’t want to get into that. There is an executive order that specifies who has classification authority, and obviously focuses first and foremost on the President, but also includes the Vice President.

Hume: There have been two leaks, one that pertained to possible facilities in Europe; and another that pertained to this NSA matter. There are officials who have had various characterizations of the degree of damage done by those. How would you characterize the damage done by those two reports?

Cheney: There clearly has been damage done.

Hume: Which has been the more harmful, in your view?

Cheney: I don’t want to get into just sort of ranking them, then you get into why is one more damaging than the other. One of the problems we have as a government is our inability to keep secrets. And it costs us, in terms of our relationship with other governments, in terms of the willingness of other intelligence services to work with us, in terms of revealing sources and methods. And all of those elements enter into some of these leaks.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11373634/page/7/

[Roland99]

254. Fucking evil, hypocritical BASTARD!!

Abu Ghraib would be too good for that treasonous piece of shit.

[psychopomp]

255. kick

I am finding it difficult to believe that Cheney did not know exactly who she was and what she was doing when he gave Libby the go-ahead to leak her name.

[robertpaulsen]

256. More on the Plame/Iran angle from Mick Smith

February 14, 2006
Did the Administration damage CIA operations against Iran?

Sometimes a story that seems relatively inconsequential can turn out to have devastating consequences. The most famous instance of this phenomenon was the shooting of Archduke Ferdinand by a young Bosnian Serb Gavrilo Princip which is commonly held to have been triggered the First World War. The decision by White House aides to try to suppress Joe Wilson’s criticism of President Bush for his hyperbole over Iraqi weapons of mass destruction will hopefully not have such catclysmic consequences. But it does threaten to have a much greater long-term effect than its architects ever imagined.

Most readers of this blog will be aware of how the White House aides attacked Wilson in leaks to selected US reporters by pointing out that his wife worked for the CIA. Wilson was unhappy about the continued administration claims, in particular by President Bush in his 2003 State of the Union address, that Saddam had tried to buy uranium ore from Niger.

Wilson was an ex-ambassador, a former US diplomat with good contacts in Niger. He was sent there by the CIA to investigate the claims and concluded they weren’t true. When he wrote this in the New York Times, the smear campaign began. It was nasty and brutal and appeared to be a knee-jerk reaction by a spin doctor designed, in the jargon of such people, to “deal with the story”. The word between the White House aides and the hacks was that Wilson’s wife was a CIA officer working on Iraqi WMD, that she was the architect of his mission, and that the mission was designed to rubbish the Niger claims rather than investigate them. At some point someone said oh by the way her name is Valerie Plame. That was the big mistake. Plame was an operations officer working on “non-official cover” who might need at any time to go undercover anywhere in the world, Iraq for instance, protected only by her anonymity. Naming a covert CIA officer is illegal under US law. The White House aides were breaking the law and when it appeared in print, all hell broke lose.

more...

http://timesonline.typepad.com/mick_smith/2006/02/did_the_adminis.html#more

[robertpaulsen]

259. Here are the particularly relevant paragraphs.

We were the first mainstream newspaper to confirm the story. But it was actually broken by a US internet newspaper known as Raw Story, an extraordinarily good website which combines links to the best of other media around the world with its own scoops. Raw Story has persistently led the way on Plamegate, breaking story after story that the US mainstream media have subsequently been forced to follow up. Now Larisa Alexandrovna, the Raw Story reporter who has taken the lead on most of these stories, has come up with what appears to be an extremely interesting new line.

Plame was also gathering intelligence on the Iranian nuclear programme. This is not really a surprise since we know she worked in the CIA department dealing with the proliferation of WMD. But Alexandrovna then goes on to cite US intelligence officials as saying that Plame was part of an operation tracking distribution and acquisition of weapons of mass destruction technology to and from Iran. They told her that:

“Plame's outing was more serious than has previously been reported and carries grave implications for US national security and its ability to monitor Iran's burgeoning nuclear programme… her outing resulted in ‘severe’ damage to her team and significantly hampered the CIA's ability to monitor nuclear proliferation.”

Now we know Cheney was famous for bullying intelligence analysts into giving him the answers he wanted and we know that he and others believed Iraq was only the beginning and that Iran was next in the firing line. If this Raw Story exclusive is as accurate as its predecessors, Plamegate will have been the trigger to something far more damaging than even some of the administration’s most vociferous critics believed.

http://timesonline.typepad.com/mick_smith/2006/02/did_the_adminis.html#more

[Roland99]

261. This is a start, at least.

Thanks for that!

[Roland99]

257. Four days now and not a Peep nor a Chirp from the M$M

They're chasing the wrong birds of prey.

[rodeodance]

258. i have not either. How can we get this going?

[Roland99]

260. Other than flooding the M$M with emails and phone calls

and plastering printouts all over town and having it tattooed over our birdshot scars....I'm not sure there's anything we *can* do.

[lala_rawraw]

262. Not even KO... at least

Lodon cares, eh? I say paper chase it.