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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:15 AM
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WP: Press Can Be Prosecuted for Having Secret Files, U.S. Says
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/21/AR2006022101947.html

By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, February 22, 2006; Page A03

The Bush administration said that journalists can be prosecuted under current espionage laws for receiving and publishing classified information but that such a step "would raise legitimate and serious issues and would not be undertaken lightly," according to a court filing made public this week.

"There plainly is no exemption in the statutes for the press, let alone lobbyists like the defendants," Justice Department lawyers wrote in response to a motion filed last month seeking to dismiss charges against Steven J. Rosen and Keith Weissman, former lobbyists for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).

... In its Jan. 30 response unsealed this week, the government said Rosen and Weissman, as lobbyists, "have no First Amendment right to willfully disclose national defense information." The government went on to say: "Stating this, we recognize that a prosecution under the espionage laws of an actual member of the press for publishing classified information leaked to it by a government source, would raise legitimate and serious issues and would not be undertaken lightly, indeed, the fact that there has never been such a prosecution speaks for itself."

Steven Aftergood of the Federation of American Scientists, who first disclosed the government filing on his Web site, http://www.fas.org/sgp , said yesterday, "The idea that the government can penalize the receipt of proscribed information, and not just its unauthorized disclosure, is one that characterizes authoritarian societies, not mature democracies."
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:17 AM
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1. One question:
if they want to say that journalists can be penalized for having proscribed information and disclosing it, why hasn't Novak been arrested?
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:18 AM
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2. brilliant n/t
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:19 AM
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3. They don't really care about classified information, most of which
is useless crap anyway, what they want is the ability to
threaten anybody they like, and that is what this all is
about.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:45 AM
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12. Exactly, Fear is their key. If they can make the press afraid they have
Won.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:56 AM
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14. and get rid of troublesome reporters
by leaking them classified information and then prosecuting them for posession.
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:19 AM
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4. Or better yet, what about the people (cheney among them) who
pass the information to the press? Do they get a free pass or are they more culpable than the recipient?

It probably depends on whether the leaker is a Dem or a Repub.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:20 AM
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5. Like hell the press can be prosecuted...
Edited on Wed Feb-22-06 10:23 AM by SteppingRazor
Apparently the White House has never heard of New York Times Co. v. United States.

on edit: It's even more galling that they say such an espionage case has never happened. Yes, the NY Times wasn't prosecuted for espionage, but the injunction amounted to prior restraint.

Naturally, if the press published classified troop movements, they could be prosecuted. But this idea that any classified information published by a paper can be prosecuted under espionage laws has already been decided by the Supreme Court.
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:44 AM
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11. To educate the youth....
New York Times v. United States
403 U.S. 713 (1971)
Docket Number: 1873
Abstract



Argued:
June 26, 1971

Decided:
June 30, 1971


Subjects: First Amendment: Miscellaneous



Facts of the Case
In what became known as the "Pentagon Papers Case," the Nixon Administration attempted to prevent the New York Times and Washington Post from publishing materials belonging to a classified Defense Department study regarding the history of United States activities in Vietnam. The President argued that prior restraint was necessary to protect national security. This case was decided together with United States v. Washington Post Co.


Question Presented
Did the Nixon administration's efforts to prevent the publication of what it termed "classified information" violate the First Amendment?


Conclusion
Yes. In its per curiam opinion the Court held that the government did not overcome the "heavy presumption against" prior restraint of the press in this case. Justices Black and Douglas argued that the vague word "security" should not be used "to abrogate the fundamental law embodied in the First Amendment." Justice Brennan reasoned that since publication would not cause an inevitable, direct, and immediate event imperiling the safety of American forces, prior restraint was unjustified.

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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 11:13 AM
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15. but they have a new SCOTUS to rule otherwise
the whole point behind packing the court.
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 02:13 PM
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25. Must be "nice" to be "above" established law. (n/t)
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:21 AM
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6. Time to tamp down the press, it's getting rowdy.
Welcome to the Right's Reich.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 03:20 PM
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28. Good thing they can't shut everyone up
especially the new free press, which is folks like us on the Internet who do it for free.


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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:21 AM
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7. well, folks, looks like we are not one of the "mature democracies."!


....Steven Aftergood of the Federation of American Scientists, who first disclosed the government filing on his Web site, http://www.fas.org/sgp , said yesterday, "The idea that the government can penalize the receipt of proscribed information, and not just its unauthorized disclosure, is one that characterizes authoritarian societies, not mature democracies."
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InternalDialogue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:26 AM
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8. All the administration-sanctioned leaking must be over.
This is pre-emptive posturing against the flood of whistleblowing that's coming down the pike.
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:39 AM
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9. IMO this falls under the 1st Amendment of the Constitution. I believe that
Edited on Wed Feb-22-06 10:42 AM by WePurrsevere
the courts have addressed this type of issue in the past and agreed, e.g The Pentagon Papers I believe.

IMO part of the job of the REAL press is to report things that the government tries to hide under the veil of national security that are in fact no such real risk or the need and right of the the public to know outweighs that risk.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:41 AM
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10. They'd have a full-blown 1st Amendment crisis on their hands
Go ahead, try. I dare you.
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Exiled in America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 12:35 PM
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18. So what? Have you forgotten what the SC looks like now?
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ArbustoBuster Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 02:02 PM
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24. There's nine of them and three hundred million of us.
As long as we can still vote, the Supreme Court can be smacked down.
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Exiled in America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 06:22 PM
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29. Diebold.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:47 AM
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13. A perfect way to jail dissenting journalists - Kafka would be proud
Edited on Wed Feb-22-06 10:48 AM by TrogL
So what they do is find out who might have copies of certain documents, reclassify those documents as "classified", then jail the journalist for having a "classified document" he wasn't even aware he was no longer allowed access to.

That's the new model of this administration. We've been reading the wrong author - Orwell is old news, Kafka rulz.

(laarn how to speel)
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cmdrzog Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 11:37 AM
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16. Its been Kafka and Lewis Carrol for a long time
I'm particularly fond of "Hunting of the Snark"

http://www.emule.com/poetry/?page=poem&poem=4508
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 12:22 PM
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17. Secrecy and now the GOP are ENEMIES of Democracy
<---- plays Taps
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 12:35 PM
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19. Oh - so there's now no such thing as qualified privilege?
Fuck that. This won't fly - even in front of this supreme court.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 12:57 PM
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20. any lurking journos here?
You'd better stop this creeping fascism while you can. You'd better stop it right now. Only you have the real ability to stop the tyranny.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 12:58 PM
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21. Didn't Jimmy/Jeff Gannon have *access* to an intel document re Plame?
He boasted about being interviewed by the FBI about it. Where does he fit into all these rulings.

My head hurts.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 01:04 PM
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22. how about journalists who got Plame info from Libby & Cheney ? Go ahead
and prosecute, see how far it gets you, BushCo, you fascist cabal.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 01:10 PM
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23. threatening the press, eh? bad move on their part. n/t
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 02:16 PM
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26. Timing?
Curious that this is being declared at a time when the press seems to be regrowing new anti-establishment teeth.
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satya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 02:43 PM
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27. And while secretly reclassifying formerly published documents:
Bush Administration Secretly Removing Documents From Public Access
Some historians say the program is removing material that can do no conceivable harm to national security and note that some of the documents have been published by the government, the Times said.

How convenient...if a pesky journalist happens to possess a document that the administration itself published and has now re-classified, "problem" solved!

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