Iran: Supreme Leader Blames US and Israel for Iraq Mosque Attack

[ECH1969]

Iran's Supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has announced a week of mourning following the attack Wednesday morning on one of the holiest Shiite shrines at Samarra in Iraq, and accused the Americans and Israelis of responsibility.

In a statement, the Iranian leader says those behind the attack were "the occupation forces and Zionism, which seeing their plans for Iraq dissolve, have planned this atrocity to sew hate between Muslims and fuel divisions between Sunnis and Shiites". In Iran, where 90 per cent of the population is Shiite, the attack against the shrine has caused disgust and consternation.

"The attack this morning in Samarra had one aim, to divide Muslims" said the Iranian foreign ministry spokesman, Hamid Reza Asefi. “This attack shows on one hand that the aim is to cause divisions within the ummah (global Muslim community) trying to turn Shiites against their Sunni brothers.

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[Dancing_Dave]

1. They called that one right!

Just remember, means, motive and opportunity to commit the crime.

[mom cat]

3. Correct. A divided Iraq cannot come togethet and throw the US out

and reclaim their own resources. The US has done so much destabilizing of other countries in the past to think that it is not what is happening now.

[mallard]

5. Re: agreed

This is a new form and level of assault on civilized order, quickly being cited as heading for all-out civil war, and you have to wonder to whose benefit a misleading implication of Sunnis doing this against Shi-ites would be.

In the wake of those anti-Mohammed-was-a-terrorist-cartoon protests, certainly many in the West will accept this is all about violent Islamic dogma caving in on itself.

And as the post below demonstrates, anyone thinking a little plumbing operation by Israeli sponsored criminal elements in Baghdad would go a long way toward explaining why Iraqis are suddenly caught in a deadly face-off will be summarily denied as hateful kooks.

[Andromeda]

25. And you have proof of this?

Please post a link supporting your view. I am anxious to see it.

[madmark]

29. i disagree, there is no way we would do that, whether your a pro-

occupation neo-con, or get the fuck out now type like me. Im sure a Sunni insurgent, or even a foriegn al Qada (though most of those guys are getting killed by Iraqi Sunnis and Shiites)did it. A civil war fucks up the occupation and makes the neo-cons eat more shit. For me its just another reason to get out immediately, or as Murtha puts it, redeploy to the perimeter, and may be the tipping point to actually getting us out.

[Just Me]

43. How many ways can the PNACers justify permanent military presence?

They've assured everyone they will pull the military as soon as the Iraqi people can secure their country (in spite of the fact that their plan is permanent military presence).

The neocons thrive on their own version of political/social/economic chaos theory (ie fuck stuff up real bad and a new and profitable order can be imposed). I realize their line of thinking sounds nuts but,...they are nuts.

These men have been instigating civil DISorder all over the damn world such that the multi-national corporations can gain leaverage over leaders and people. It's a revolting form of exploitation but they have profitted a LOT by engaging in such atrocious behavior.

[madmark]

74. i think that when it gets to the point that msm deems a civil war

occurring there, the political will the redeploy will occur in congress.

[wordpix]

60. We have NO EVIDENCE of this---I suppose you'd convict a man based on

NO EVIDENCE, too

[IndianaGreen]

61. We don't convict people, we just detain them indefinitely without

habeas corpus.

The important thing is that they believe that America and Israel are involved, and our troops are still there after we destroyed their country and society.

We should be seeing pictures of helicopters landing in the rooftops of the Green Zone pretty soon!

We lost the war in Iraq, and we lost a lot more than that because of our imperialist dreams.

[wordpix]

66. well, I have to agree with you there

[Pavulon]

2. News Flash

Iran blames Jews for stuff, my god this is amazing. Khamenei blames zionists for the stains in his shorts.

I would be surprised if they didn't blame jews. They have the most to gain from a civil war.

[dubya_dubya_III]

56. u mess with the bull - u get the horns

You call it 'democracy' when you give people the 'choice' between two 'established' religious socialist/fascist parties and one secessionist party? This entire disaster could have been foreseen and prevented, by staying the hell out of Iraq in the first place.

This administration keeps harping on the number of Iraqi's who got out to vote, without mentioning that 99% voted in Saddams time when there were no religious fascists or secessionists running...

Instead we have squandered our military efforts on an inconsequential, fourth rate non-opponent and created lawless chaos in a new epicenter for terrorism in the very heart of the Arab world.

We should have kept our powder dry for Pakistan and Iran, how on earth could our leadership be so stupid?

[Mike Daniels]

75. Oh Jesus.....you're quoting voting turnout under Saddam?

Given that the Sunni population was the minority, it's pretty obvious that the majority of the 99% who voted were obligated to vote for Saddam unless they wanted to be visited in the middle of the night.

We've created a mess in Iraq but I don't see how throwing in voting rates under Saddam's reign does anything to advance your argument. Do you honestly think Saddam would have still been in power even prior to Gulf War I had elections under his reign been anything other than an empty exercise?

[jseankil]

4. Iran also blamed Zionists for the cartoon mess in response to Hamas

being elected.

I guess them Jews have a time machine and used it to go back to September after Hamas was elected to create those cartoons.

Fuck Iran's leaders.

[Name removed]

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[superconnected]

6. My first thought was Bush did it, too, but I don't like how this

biggot is blaming the Jews too. It turns his speech into only racism and trying to insite haterd for a people.

[cantstandbush]

10. He blamed 'Zionists' not Jews. n/t

[Andromeda]

15. Same thing.

[4dsc]

59. Not the same thing

real Jews disavow themselves from Zionist or Zionism.. Real Jews believe only GOD and create the state of Israel and it cannot be made made.. Many Jews dislike zionism..

[Behind the Aegis]

77. Real Jews?

I think you'd be surprised that many 'real' Jews are also Zionists. Perhaps you are using a different definition, I am guessing the one popular with Christian fundamentalists. Then again, your last statement is one from the ultra-Orthodox Jewish community. Are they the "real" Jews and the rest of us are not?

[angryxyouth]

62. I am a Jew and I think Zionism is wrong!!

[4dsc]

64. Thanks

EOM..

[Behind the Aegis]

22. Interchangeable terms to them. n/t

[auagroach]

37. Your opinion desired

Would you be so kind as to look at my post above, #35, and offer your opinion. Thanking you in advance.

[wordpix]

44. Here's my opinion: there are no "Zionist supremecists" & you're swallowing

anti-Semitic, inflammatory, WRONG information from Jewish hate sites.

[Tempest]

67. You could at least have given an informed opinion

Instead you made inflammatory accusations.

Good job.

[Tempest]

73. I retract this post

It was explained to me in an email there was a deleted sub-thread where the poster linked to anti-Semitic and conspiracy web sites.

[Andromeda]

16. I think you get it.

[Andromeda]

7. Of course he does....

What else is new. The Ayatollah gets a boil on his butt and it's the U.S. and Israel's fault.

You're not dealing with rational people here. The Supreme leader Ayatollah is Pat Robertson multiplied 1000 times over. The Shiites are relics left over from the Dark Ages.

They want to kill every last one of us. They are looking forward to the day Israel is driven into the sea and all Western culture is eliminated.

Doesn't the fact that Sunnis were behind the attacks on the Mosque tell you anything? Sunnis are the secular Muslims and they are outnumbered by the Shiite nutcases. There's was a desperate act to fight back against extremism in their country.

The U.S. should just pull out of Iraq because our presense there is not really wanted and I hate to see our troops put in any more danger.

This is a civil war and we need to LEAVE. We've done enough damage there and it ain't getting any better so we just need to get outta town!

[mallard]

26. Re: They want to kill every last one of us...

"They want to kill every last one of us. They are looking forward to the day Israel is driven into the sea and all Western culture is eliminated."


This kind of bad information is causing a lot of problems and unnecessary conflict. Muslims are misrepresented as more of a threat than they actually are and this causes far more resentment for the abuses going on against Muslims to date.

Israel's loyalists often want us to accept the Liberty attack being an accident; Lockerbie, 9/11 all being acts of radical murderous Muslims and any suggestions of (By Way of Deception) false flagging as vile racism.

Who is really pushing who around in this world?

Military invasions based on bad information have been sold by PNAC loyalists et al. This 'they want to kill us all' BS has gone too far and comes with the same philosophy that set us into destructive war where huge human rights abuses are the real issue - not just rhetoric!

The shrine was there for 1000 years. Why would Iraqis destroy it and opt for civil war?

[Behind the Aegis]

27. What a load!

Israel's loyalists often want us to accept the Liberty attack being an accident; Lockerbie, 9/11 all being acts of radical murderous Muslims and any suggestions of (By Way of Deception) false flagging as vile racism.

Who is really pushing who around in this world?

Talk about "bad information!" :eyes: The Israelis are now responsible for Lockerbie and 9/11? Any other acts you'd like to attribute to them...the Indonesian Tsunami, perhaps? :eyes:

[mallard]

31. Re: I wrote that they want the wrong people blamed

...but you react as if you have never heard of such things.

You didn't mention the Liberty attack.

And in case you missed it:

aangirfan: Lockerbie - new forensic tests suggest evidence was planted by the CIA - 2/19/06

<http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2006/02/lockerbie-new-forensic-tests-suggest.html>

[Behind the Aegis]

32. More load..

And perhaps there are others who want the wrong people blamed (Israel).

I didn't mention Liberty because it was an accident. That is well documented. Although, there are several who say it wasn't, including a member of the "Swiftboat crew." (I think that is correct.)

And in case you are interested...I don't accept a "blog" entry as proof of shit! Especially one that supports anti-Semitic assholes to post their filth!

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

34. Don't waste your time.

The president of Iran is a conspiracy theorist, and as such will always find a warm reception for his idiocy amongst a certain subset of DUers.

[wordpix]

48. oh gawd, another conspiracy theorist---& CIA caused Katrina, too, I suppos

[wordpix]

47. thank you, Aegis!

[wordpix]

46. "why would Iraqis" destroy the Samarra shrine? Ever hear of Zarqawi who

has made it known he WANTS civil war in Iraq?

[NecessaryOnslaught]

8. Remember this?

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/CAUGHT_RED__0923.html

[mom cat]

12. Very good point. Add that to the Death squads killing Sunni men in large

numbers. The Black opps in Iraq have been brutal and I would not be surprised if we find CIA type intervention here.

[wordpix]

49. are you saying this 2005 story about 2 Brit agents caught w/explosives

proves the Brits or Americans caused the Samarra bombing? Are you saying Zarqawi doesn't exist because some in Iraq think he doesn't?

I don't see the connection between this story and Samarra's mosque.

[Tempest]

68. To a reasonable person, it adds reasonable doubt

But from reading your posts on this thread, reason has gone out the window.

As was stated earlier, the U.S. benefits from a divided Iraq.

[cantstandbush]

9. Takes you mind off Abu Gharib photos, doesn't it? n/t

[HuffleClaw]

11. CIAl Qaeda

and right on cue of course, that and those sudden 'new' terror investigations in the US.

[rpannier]

13. Yeah...yeah...yeah (sarcasm)

Everything always comes back to being the fault of Israel with the clerics. Their tune is getting really old.

[whateveritis]

14. I'm starting to wonder

if some of you guys are american or not. It seems that when any crackpot makes a statement that the US did this or that... some on here jump on board with the crazy ass theories. I wonder sometimes if some on here rejoice when shit happens to americans across the world. All this america is the worst country on earth is just plain dumb as hell.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

17. Weer naught Murkins?- dem dang fools tawkin sheet is just radikulus!

Yeah man,
wee awwl ree -joicin' !! ever time our guys git keeled!!

Yeah right!!

Maybe it's like the CIA/US interests/Corporations have nothing to gain-
This is just fantasy!
and 911 was done by Iraqis too!!! ha ha!

Remember the Brits caught planting bombs recently?
They were dressed as A-Rabs--with head dress-and garb...
The British Secret Service busted them out of jail before they could talk.

but if you question you must be unpatriotic!!

[bemildred]

18. The USA is a fine country. Our government, however, is evil. nt

[IndianaGreen]

38. Americans support torture and concentration camps

I need little difference from the good Germans that supported the Third Reich.

[wordpix]

52. over 1/2 the people voted against * in 2 elections so it's not all of us

who support torture and camps. Don't lump us all together with Bush's minions!

[High Plains]

79. Yeah, the rest just don't give a shit.

[bemildred]

69. Hey, as in Germany, not all of us do.

And I would submit that there is a streak in US political life that is estimable and valuable. It just hasn't run things here for a long time, and the results suck.

[IndianaGreen]

70. How many Democrats opposed the PATRIOT extension?

Feingold and Byrd were joined by Jeffords. All the others voted to continue to suppress our liberties!

As in Germany, many people collaborated with the regime's crimes by omission or commission.

[bemildred]

72. Well, the Congress are mostly spineless collaborators, to be sure. nt

[nsd]

19. I agree.

I find myself avoiding threads that involve foreign affairs because I know that, invariably, somebody is going to say America is at fault. It doesn't matter what the topic is; it doesn't matter how convoluted or ludicrous an argument one has to make to blame America; it doesn't matter how much evidence about the loathsomeness of our opponents (Zarqawi, Iran, the cartoon nuts) you have to ignore. Somebody is going to say it's all our fault.

Look, I don't support Bush. I think he's an awful president, and I despise Cheney. I've always voted Democratic. I've never voted for a Republican.

But the willingness of some people here to believe anything (anything!) that puts Bush in a bad light, even if that means implicating America and our military in the most horrible crimes, is really depressing. Just because we oppose Bush doesn't mean that all the bad things in the world are America's fault.

[Catrina]

20. Not America, this administration ~ there's a HUGE difference between

the government and the country. When the US gets rid of this administration and replaces it with decent people, the US will be fine ~

However, I can see where some might not make the distinction, so from now on, I will use the phrase' the BA (Bush Administration).

Oops, I just noticed that BA!! Sort of appropriate ~

[wordpix]

51. thank you! With Bush in charge, we have some Americans to blame

for some things but not for every shitty thing that happens in the world.

[Behind the Aegis]

21. That didn't take long.

I had friend who called this. Perhaps we should have started a pool.

[bpilgrim]

23. Divide & Conquer is an old empire technique

either way this kind of thing NEVER happened before we invaded their country for no reason.

fyi

peace

[Behind the Aegis]

24. And there is just no way it was an inside job?

:eyes:

It is really annoying that some people fail to see that evil is not just an Israeli or American vice. There are others who are just as bad and have their own fucking agendas.

Your right, this never happened before the illegal invasion and occupation, perhaps because their was an iron-fisted rule....now, there is none.

[mallard]

28. Re: "now, there is none"

"Your right, this never happened before the illegal invasion and occupation, perhaps because their was an iron-fisted rule....now, there is none."


Are you suggesting that Iraqis being 'liberated' is the reason for the violence?

At least there was peace and order before the deceptively arranged and totally illegal invasion destroyed that along with much of the local infrastructure.

Disbanding the miltary, purging Ba-athists, conducting house-to-house round-ups and taking up prisoner abuse have all contributed to civil war conditions in a predtable way, making a US Forces' situation very dangerous and withdrawl impossible. I assume you do not support America making itself into a new colonial power this way.

Still, the only observale benefits come with taking advantage of the mayhem to insist on continued presence and control.

Does your identification with Israel's interests prevent you from seeing the similarity between what the Iraqis are up against and what the Palestinians have been forced to suffer to accomodate their displacement?

[Behind the Aegis]

30. Do what?

"Are you suggesting that Iraqis being 'liberated' is the reason for the violence?"

It's not their "liberation" that is the reason for violence, it is how they were 'liberated.' Also, there is no real rule in Iraq any more. This kind of violence should have been expected.

Yes, there was "peace and order" before the illegal invasion. But, there was also "peace and order" in Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, and many other places famous for dictatorships.

"Still, the only observale benefits come with taking advantage of the mayhem to insist on continued presence and control."

No, that is not entirely true. A once oppressed minority can now take advantage of the chaos to make a "power-play." Even better, is they can pass it off as a "black-flag" operation and still reap the benefits.

"Does your identification with Israel's interests prevent you from seeing the similarity between what the Iraqis are up against and what the Palestinians have been forced to suffer to accommodate their displacement?"

And what do you know of my "identification with Israel's interests?" Does your lack of "identification with Israel's interests" allow you to make assumptions based on lies and deceptions propagated by countries and peoples wishing to see her destruction ("wiping her off the map)?"

[wordpix]

54. thanks again, Aegis

[bpilgrim]

33. just pointing out that it is possible

at the very least, we certainly bear responsibility for the terrible security situation that NOW exist.

we are kidnapping, raping, torturing and murdering people... even children, in front of their parents for christ's sake! i think that qualifies as an 'iron-fisted rule'

No Bravery
http://nobravery.cf.huffingtonpost.com

psst... pass the word ;->

peace

[Behind the Aegis]

78. And I pointed out another possibility

I completely agree that we bare the responsibility, and not in the very least, we made this mess, we are responsible for it!

I disagree that we are now "an iron-fisted" ruler. There is no rule in Iraq! It has been destroyed, along with many other things, including lives.

[bpilgrim]

82. if you don't think Kidnapping, Rape, TORTURE & murder is an 'iron-fisted'

rule, you are beyond the pale, my friend.

peace

[Behind the Aegis]

84. Purposely missing the point?

Kidnapping, Rape, TORTURE & murder is 'iron-fisted' rule. However, that is not how the occupation is ruling, unlike Saddam. There is barely a rule of law in Iraq, it is almost an anarchy.

[bpilgrim]

85. wtf r u talking about? all that is going on DAILY in iraq, hello...

and we got the pictures to prove it...

http://nobravery.cf.huffingtonpost.com

psst... pass the word

peace

[Behind the Aegis]

87. it is happening because there is NO RULE!

Iraq is in a state of anarchy. The only rule, remotely, is MOB!

[bpilgrim]

88. people are reacting to extremism, imposed on them by invaders

same as it ever was... or do you expect them to submit to the brutality as the neoCONs have it up on the white-board :eyes:

remember the crusades?

peace

[Behind the Aegis]

89. which is why I said there is no rule, only chaos!

WTF does the Crusades have to do with the preice of tea?

[bpilgrim]

90. chaos is the PLAN, fyi...

the crusades demonstrates how arab people react to foreign extremism.

peace

[IndianaGreen]

36. This would not have happened had the US NOT invaded Iraq

an invasion that was brought about by the likes of crooks like Chalabi and spies like AIPAC, neither of which had to worry about shedding their blood in the war!

[Behind the Aegis]

80. Perhaps...

...but I don't see the mullahs blaming Iran (Chalabi) for their influence. No, all I see is the same old "Death to America" and "Death to Israel" crap.

I find it mind-bending that people correctly decry the media portrayal of Muslims and Arabs in the US media, but laud and cheer the blatant Anti-American/Anti-Semitic crap coming from the Arab press. :crazy:

[Name removed]

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[wordpix]

53. was this mosqe protected by guards? If so, how could the bombers get

inside and set their bombs WITHOUT it being an inside job?

[Name removed]

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[T_Matamoro]

40. How exactly does Isreal and US benefit from this?

For all you Tinfoil people, how does this explosion help us at all? A country in civil war? oh that'll really help the oil flow! I think you people have to realise the rift between Shi'a and Sunnah. It's been going on for 1300 years and they hate eachother and now the ex-top dogs (the Sunnah) are really mad that they will be a minority. Also don't forget these religious fanatics belive that "apostates" should be killed, period. The Sunnah insurgents belive that they will A. drive out the Americans then B. Re-conquer the Shi'a in Iraq then return to their place as the "top dog" again. to them blowing up the "apostates temple" is a great symbol of Sunnah strength and to stir things up. Iran is just putting pressure on the US to leave by saying these stupid things. But notice how the main leader of the Shia in Iraq, Ayatollah al-sistani, Is NOT saying it was the Americans. It's just Iran sabre rattling again.

[IndianaGreen]

41. That's irrelevant, the point is that they believe it

and in doing so we are one step closer to the day that the US will be forced out of Iraq, a country that we should have never invaded in the first place.

All of those in America and Israel that lobbied for this war will come to regret it!

[T_Matamoro]

42. Im not concerned about Over there but here.

I really dont care what Ayatoolahs in Iran or Iraq say, their followers are robots who would belive anything they say anyway. What i am addressing is the people on this board who seem to belive IT! I once got into a debate about terror in England with some British people (over the net of course) where they said the War on terror was fake and that it was just a ploy to erode civil liberties that there was no real Muslim threat :crazy: and i said to them "don't let your hated of Bush blind you to the truth! you hate Bush more than you love the truth!" 6 days after i wrote that London was bombed. :-( Just becuase Bush is an Asshole does'nt mean some Muslims dont want us dead. Dont get fooled by BUSH OR the Islamic apologists. MAybe it's cause i live in NYC and have been in tons of arguements with Muslims about their bullshit that i know better. I went to brooklyn to pick up my granny and what do you know the "islamic thinkers society" had set up a protest saying things like "Islam will dominate America" and what not. I've also gotten kicked out of two cabs for argueing with the Cab drivers when they start preaching their Muslim BS. After 9-11 they dont talk they just sit on thier cell phone all day talking to dirka dirka stan or something. But wait lemme guess, these were all Mossad agent Provacateurs? Sorry to rant but these Muslim apologists and their stooges just piss me off.

[IndianaGreen]

45. Christian Jihadists are more of a threat to me than Muslims

for they control the government at the federal and state levels, and they are trying to Christianize America at the point of the sword. I see no difference between the radical Islamics from our own brand of blond, blue eye, radical Christians.

[T_Matamoro]

65. Welcome to my world.

Agreed. I find myself in the dilemma of hating both of the Fundie types. But you still gotta get your priorities straight. This whole WOT will last longer than the Bush Admin. And it was going on before his Admin. The fact is the soldiers are caught in the middle between the Neo-con chickenhawk idiots who give bad orders and the Insurgents who want all Americans dead. So my loyalty goes to them. but i digress, i just dont buy thr whole conspiracy within a conspiracy stuff.

[stepnw1f]

50. Well, The US Did Start The War

SO yes, the US is partly to blame...

[wordpix]

55. I agree with that and blame Bush and neocon assholes for getting us

in this pickle. However, I don't think our CIA or BushCo did the Samarra bombing---I'd need some evidence for that.

[IndianaGreen]

57. And this would have never happened had the US stayed out of Iraq

Neocons, neolibs, and AIPAC & Co. wanted the US to invade Iraq but they could only do so by frightening people with tall tales about mushroom clouds. We will end up with a situation in Iraq that will be far more dangerous for the US and Israel than a dozen Saddams.

I hope the Neocons, neolibs, and their fellow travelers in AIPAC are please with the mess they have achieved.

We should withdraw from Iraq at once!

[twaddler01]

58. Technically, he is right....

If we wouldn't have invaded Iraq, this wouldn't have happened.

[JoFerret]

63. Blanket stitch?

.

[IndianaGreen]

71. Iranian President Ahmadinejad blames the US and Israel

Iran blames US, Israel for shrine blast

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, says the US and Israel blew up the Shia shrine in Iraq.

In a speech in front of a crowd of thousands in southwestern Iran, the president referred to the destruction of the Askariya mosque's golden dome in Samarra on Wednesday.

Of the US-led forces in Iraq, Ahmadinejad said: "They invade the shrine and bomb there because they oppose God and justice. These passive activities are the acts of a group of defeated Zionists and occupiers who intended to hit our emotions."

Addressing the US, he said: "You have to know that such an act will not save you from the anger of Muslim nations."

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/CD1FC321-C15C-4F92-BA21-8D11A120E5BC.htm

[kineneb]

76. ok, folks here, so the Iranian Supreme leader

and President are both nut cases. This, as is obvious, a given. There are a lot of people in Iran who would agree.
Now...

Who ever blew up the mosque is an ass. Period. I would not be surprised if there was some US intell agents behind it, simply because there was no reason to attack such a cultural/religious building. Why have so many other mosques also been systematical attacked at the same time? There is more coordination here than should be.

This is equivalent to a group of Catholics deciding to blow up the (rather ugly) Crystal Cathedral in SoCal. What is achieved? It just makes one group more angry with another. This is not an act of war, it is a cultural crime, just as was blowing up the Buddhas in Afghanistan.

In the meantime, everyone jumps on the bandwagon to take advantage of this event for their side.

[Charlie Brown]

81. for Pete's sake, people

This was an attack by Sunni extremists and possibly an Al Quaeda affiliated organization to increase sectarian tensions and discredit the new Iraqi government. The US and Israel have ZERO reasons to want to destroy a Holy Shiite shrine, and all the "Israel/US did it" crowd have nothing but prejudice to fall back on, like Khamenei.

There are factual terrorists in the world, and the US is their enemy. That doesn't make the war justified, nor does it absolve the US from its abuses and atrocities in Iraq and elsewhere. However, terrorism is real.

Why is that so difficult for many around here to accept?

[bpilgrim]

83. you don't know

goin with your gut, eh?

peace

[Rex]

91. The bombs were the results of a civil war in Iraq.

Muslims bombing mosques, kinda like the Baptist church burnings here in America. What the fuck is going on!?!?!??! What fresh nightmare is this? We should have stayed in Afghanistan.