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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 07:28 PM
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Heather and Paul McCartney Visit Seal Nursery
WASHINGTON-Later this week, Heather and Paul McCartney will join The Humane Society of the United States on the ice floes off the East Coast of Canada to observe newborn harp seal pups just weeks before they will be clubbed and shot to death for their fur.

The McCartney's trip March 2 and 3 will highlight the work of two animal protection groups to stop the Canadian seal hunt, during which hundreds of thousands of seal pups are killed each year: The HSUS and its international arm, Humane Society International, and the UK campaign group Respect for Animals. Both organizations are working to close global markets for seal products and to pressure the Canadian government to end the seal hunt for good.

Full story art link: http://www.hsus.org/press_and_publications/press_releases/heather_and_paul_mccartney.html




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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 07:39 PM
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1. Paul and Heather are continuing
the work Linda McCartney did to help animals.

This slaughter is nothing more
than legalized murder!
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1620rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 07:48 PM
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2. Pure evil for a fast buck... n/t
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 08:03 PM
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4. SICKENING!!!! DISGUSTING!!!!!!! DESPICABLE!!!!!! REPULSIVE!!!!!
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 08:00 PM
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3. Fuck off Paul, thanks anyway. n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 09:26 PM
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Dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 05:51 AM
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33. You don't like what Paul has to say, so he should fuck off.
You don't like what the NDP has to say, so they should allow themselves to be assimilated by the Liberals.

You don't like what the Danish cartoons had to say, so they shouldn't have been published.

Well, you truly are a Liberal in - and only in - the big 'L' sense of the word, aren't you?
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 08:45 AM
Response to Reply #33
51. Wrong about the NDP. As for the Danish cartoons,
do YOU like what they have to say?

They were an exercise in provocation...it was DECLARED assuch. Is that something worthy? Now they're being picked up by every rightwing anti-immigrant rag out there. Tells you a lot about "what they have to say" I guess.

As for Paul, he should fuck off because the anti-sealing crusade is about as intelligent as a crusade against every single meat-packing plant. I realize he's a vegetarian, but until I see him outside a meat-packing plant crying about cruelty and demanding it be shut down, he's just another bullshit fund-raising opportunist with a picture of a baby seal.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 08:50 AM
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52. Seems pretty smart to me.
Cows are nowhere near as cute, and very few people eat seal veal. No, he's not going to talk folks out of their burgers, but he stands a non-zero chance of stopping the seal slaughter.
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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 09:32 AM
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55. Everyone's gotta pick their battles
Guess Paul didn't pick one you like.

Your venomous attack on him is truly weird. It seems your appreciation of good works must run thin. Will you only accept a saint? Or do you profit from baby seal fur? Or did a girlfriend dump you for Paul back in the 60's? Who knows but you. But your vindictiveness is really out of place and is but a window into your mind that probably doesn't show what you were hoping to convey.

Thank God someone with some ability to bring this murderous stupidity to the attention of a larger circle. You miss the message if you focus on the messenger.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 09:52 AM
Response to Reply #55
57. Great post, and spot on....
...Thanks...:thumbsup: :hi:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 09:57 AM
Response to Reply #55
58. Good post
I'm sure McCartney has his reasons for doing this. And it's a predominant view among progressives both in North America and Europe.
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 10:07 AM
Response to Reply #55
60. EXCELENT POST !!!!
Some people around here have "issues"--
(they don't quite understand the concept of "progressive" and what that encompasses)

Thanks for pointing some things out gtar!!!
People need to CALL these guys on it more often.

LOVE THIS QUOTE from your post !!:
"your vindictiveness is really out of place and is but a window into your mind"
..and we can only imagine !!
You really do have a way with words!

HAPPY MARDI GRAS TO YOU!!


D.U. needs more posters like you!
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #55
72. My "venomous" attack on him is not wierd at all
I've been over this issue before many times, so forgive me but I'm not going to repost all of the information that demonstrates what a dishonest issue this is for the anti-sealers.

The basic truth is they lie about the hunt because it's a goldmine fundraiser for them.
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President Kerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #72
79. There's no dishonesty here.
Images don't lie. The hunters are really fishermen who rely on sealing for a tiny part of their livelihood. So it doesn't even make much practical sense. Not to mention the cruelty. Smart and compassionate people and nations around the world realize that and boycott seal products. And thank God for that.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #79
90. It's butchery, not hunting... not fishing
I have crabbers in my family, I understand the need to make a living from nature. But this is NOT a legitimate way.
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nikatnight Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #55
104. if every celebrity fights for one cause
I'm with you on this one - is it better to do nothing at all?
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Dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #51
74. Well...
Your suggestion of a "friendly takeover" of the NDP by the Liberals sounds a lot like assimilation to me.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=190x10943

As for the cartoons, I don't think whether you or I think them worthy matters one fig, it was the paper's right to publish them. They would have blown over largely unnoticed outside Denmark without the absurd Islamist over-reaction.

When it comes to the seal hunt- apart from the point others have made about fighting battles you can win (and I can understand why the pro-slaughter faction would love him to waste his time on an, at present, unwinnable battle that would completely destroy his credibility in the public's perception- but let's not pretend that would be a logical course of action) the fact that sealing is a brutal industry geared towards gratifying nothing but vanity, and that 40% of its victims are skinned alive is reason enough for anyone with an ounce of compassion to oppose it. Macca has plenty of cash, if he was just in it to raise money for wildlife charities (not exactly the most ignoble of goals, anyway) it would be a lot easier for him to just fork some of his own over.

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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #51
103. Paul won't go to China because....
They use cats and dogs for fur coats shipped to the good old USA and Great Britain. This is not a one dimension fight for the McCartneys

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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #3
82. awwwwwwwwwww... (nt)
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 08:16 PM
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5. Alright Paul and Heather!
When will this stop? :cry:
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 08:20 PM
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6. Sea Shepherd info on Canadian seal slaughter
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president4aday Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 08:26 PM
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7. Why don't they ever visit Gaza or the Sunni triangle?
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the other one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 09:08 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. apples or oranges?
??????????
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 09:18 PM
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10. Exactly
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president4aday Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #9
12. Celebrities like these are like Marie Antoinette,
they associate with cuddly animals like sheep and seals,

but not the great unwashed, who could really use their help.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. Such ethics.....
When Linda McCartney was diagnosed with breast cancer, they couldn't avail themselves fast enough of all the available medical technology, including chemotherapy.

All the protocols Mrs. McCartney used had been tested on animals. All of them.

So now they're protecting baby seals?

Oh, bite me.

Hypocrites.

At least he had the grace to admit it when asked about it, after she died.
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WhollyHeretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. What a disgusting post.
Edited on Mon Feb-27-06 09:48 PM by GreenJ
A thread about clubbing baby seals and you start bringing up Linda McCartney's death? What the hell does that have to do with it? You seem to relish in the idea of animal rights activists deaths(like your oh so lovely post above #11).
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 09:59 PM
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WhollyHeretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 10:07 PM
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19. Sorry you fantasize about people's deaths
Edited on Mon Feb-27-06 10:08 PM by GreenJ
just because they care about animals. That's just sad and rather disturbing.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 10:28 PM
Response to Reply #19
20. Naw
It's fun and profitable, as well. Plus, it keeps my hands busy. Idle hands, and all that.

Plus, there's always the chance that the seals might win.

You really have to learn to work your imagination, honey.

Now, I'm going to pick a steak for dinner.

Or was that a stake?

heh heh heh

You gotta lighten up, toots.

But, no matter, because now you dwell in my Ignore Land. And, even if I tell you this, you'll be compelled to respond, even though I'll never see it, because YOU KNOW THE ONE TRUE WAY.

Ever been to China? They eat dog there. They draw the line at seal, though. . . . . . .
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #20
63. ----more like--->--- GNAW...which is what
I say----

Save your typing strength for GNAWING on a decomposing dismembered body part !!
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #63
64. DECOMPOSING?
I don't mind dismembered, because, really, a dinner plate is only so big.

But, DECOMPOSING?

Oh, darling - you're buying that outdated meat at Food Lion again, aren't you?

Welcome to Ignore Land - unless you're a happy carnivore, you can't play.

<click>
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 10:47 AM
Response to Reply #64
70. Decomposing-as the bacteria consume the dead cells of the tissue! Dawlin!
Whea ya AT Sweet meeets !
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #19
21. Use the ignore button
it really lowers the blood pressure when the scum come crawling outta their hidey holes.
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WhollyHeretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 10:47 PM
Response to Reply #21
23. I probably should.
I'm just to curious for my own good sometimes. Of course OldLeftieLawyer did me a favor and put me on ignore, while throwing in a couple of condescending sexist remarks to top it off.
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 09:44 PM
Response to Reply #12
15. They are goodwill ambassadors for Adopt-A-Minefield
as well as animal rights activists. Oh, never mind.
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Dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 05:27 AM
Response to Reply #15
29. Don't expect facts to have much impact here
It's so much harder to grind an axe against a fact than it is a paranoid fantasy. The desire to express the kind of vindictiveness towards animals that always erupts like puss in these threads really boggles the mind. I guess some people are just such bullies, such control freaks, that they only like to stick it to the one group they know for 100% can't talk back.

It's the same kind of losers that think stuffing a lump of steak down their gullets makes them all manly, I guess.

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Dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 05:49 AM
Response to Reply #12
31. You clearly know nothing about the McCartneys or Marie Antoinette
But I find it really interesting that you chose to attack celebrities who devote their time to helping animals for not helping humans (although they actually do, you just haven't bothered informing yourself of it), rather than the far greater number of celebrities and other rich people who do very little for any one.

It's like you regard helping animals as worse than doing nothing. What an extraordinarily vindictive attitude. Kind of the same vindictiveness that leads people to people living in poverty as "the great unwashed", I guess. Compassion for animals and humans usually goes hand in hand- as does its absence.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 06:25 AM
Response to Reply #12
40. Most Liberal Progressives I know - some posts on this thread excluded - ..
...deal with many issues at one time. That's what makes us Liberals. We're able to fight for environmental rights, civil rights, economic rights, animal rights, labor rights, and 50 others. We can "associate" with many issues, including "cuddly animals" and the great "unwashed". NEWSFLASH FOR YOU: That's why we're LIBERALS!!!!
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shockra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 08:52 AM
Response to Reply #40
53. Absolutely!
There are commonalities running through all forms of oppression. If you refuse to see that, it's hard to believe you care about any of them at all.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 07:53 AM
Response to Reply #12
45. Send them the address of the Homeless Shelter where you volunteeer.
Perhaps they'll drop by for a visit.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #12
71. Really?
http://www.landmines.org.uk/About+us



Adopt-A-Minefield UK engages individuals, community groups, and businesses in the effort to resolve the global landmine crisis. Adopt-A-Minefield saves and improves lives by raising funds to clear landmines and help landmine survivors.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 05:47 PM
Response to Reply #12
77. Logic is not your strong suit
Marie Antoinette didn't care about seals, sheep or poor people.
Paul McCartney, through his land mine work, his breast cancer center in Liverpool, his many benefit concerts and his animal rights work, has shown he cares for both people and animals.
Your analogy is false.



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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #7
22. Heather Mills McCartney does anti-landmine advocacy
which takes her to some rather scary corners of the world.

It's possible to care about both human and animal suffering, you know.
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Texacrat Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 03:42 AM
Response to Reply #7
27. My thoughts exactly
n/t
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Dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 05:35 AM
Response to Reply #7
30. They do a great deal of anti-landmine work, as has been said...
I know Gaza and Iraq are probably the only things you hear about on Fox News, but landmines are still causing massive human suffering around the world...

Honestly though, how appallingly sanctimonious do you have to be to sit at your computer and bitch about someone doing a good thing because you think they should be doing something better- when you clearly haven't looked into the other work they do anyway. You may struggle to believe this, but some people think that other animals as well as humans are worthy of compassion. You see, not everyone feels the need to set limits on their compassion.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 05:52 AM
Response to Reply #7
34. Real bullets fly there
One can get killed in a nano-second
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Dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 05:55 AM
Response to Reply #34
36. Yet somehow
I dount whether "president4aday" would be willing to put his self-righteous ass on the line there.
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 08:18 AM
Response to Reply #7
47. because they're likely to be kidnapped for ransom, maybe?
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adriennui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 08:28 PM
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8. how the hell can someone club a baby seal?
it takes a sick fuck to hurt a helpless animal.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 05:57 AM
Response to Reply #8
37. How do you do this
It takes Nazis and murdering scum bag troops to do War Crimes;


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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 06:06 AM
Response to Reply #37
39. So are you suggesting that those of us who find the murder of innocents...
Edited on Tue Feb-28-06 06:06 AM by Robeson
...in Iraq disgusting and inhumane, can't also find the clubbing to death of seals disgusting? In other words, we're not able to walk and chew gum at the same time? Just curious?...:shrug:
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 07:44 AM
Response to Reply #39
44. I am picking no fight with you
Just my own inner bias coming out.

The same mentality to kill ----- extends beyond just murder of ones own species.

I detest the idiots who kill seals too.

sorry just my 60 plus years of bias toward blood fenzy


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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 09:35 AM
Response to Reply #44
56. Thanks. I do appreciate an honest response....
...and I agree...:thumbsup:
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #56
75. Thanx and likewise to you
I'm getting crabby in my old age (I'll try to be more patient)

:-) :-)
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 10:10 AM
Response to Reply #44
61. YOU ROCK Saigon!!!!
:yourock:
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 09:45 PM
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16. Excuse me if I totally disagree. If the celebs can stop this inhu-
manity, more power to them. Please Paul and Heather stop the brutality. The rest of you send donations to the organizations; this act is beyond the pale, beating innocent babies to death for money. Man is a blight on the planet Earth.
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #16
17. it's no more inhumane
Edited on Mon Feb-27-06 10:01 PM by Djinn
than blasting a bolt through a cow head, which often doesn't kill instantly, it's no more inhumane than chicken slaughterhouses or piggerys in which sows develop whelts from being unable to move in their cages and it's a damn sight less traumatic than what fish (particularly large ones like sharks) go through before being served up for our consumption

presumably some people who object to this sort of thing are vegetarians or vegans but many more aren't, they'll protest cute furry animals being clubbed but never spare a thought for what their steak might have preferred to be doing and what was required to get it on to their plates
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Chomskyite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 03:41 AM
Response to Reply #17
26. I fail to see the parallel
Since when have you eaten baby seal meat?
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #26
93. I wear leather though
and so would the VAST majority of people who freak out at the deaths of baby seals, I'm not exactly pro seal clubbing but I just find it strange that people can ignore all the animal cruelty that they're party to whilst being outraged at a form in which they do not not.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 06:32 AM
Response to Reply #17
41. Good argument.
I'm not taking sides here (for once!), but for the sake of argument and since you debunk the opposition to this practice so well, let me play devil's advocate.

In short, so what? So what if the people you describe are inconsistent and led by whim to daisy-pick which favored animals to defend and which to ignore?

Surely not all animal deaths caused by humans are equivalent ethically. Utilitarian slaughter of animals for food is for much of humankind the dominant means of survival (and indeed is that of all carnivores). Isn't it more defensible than killing for aesthetic pleasure, as happens in the case of the seals? And if so, why should we care how people reach this conclusion?
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #41
78. I'd hardly call it a "debunking"--that argument's like the nuclear
technicians and others in the 50s, 60s, 70s who said we should go ahead with napalm, WP, H-bombs, etc., because people were just as dead with ordinary bullets as with the more gory, tortuous forms of execution
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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 07:30 AM
Response to Reply #17
42. Nobody is eating seal meat
They just want the skins and leave everything else on the ice.



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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #42
65. you're right--and that is a pretty sick thing---why is it legal?
There is Law in physics-something like: For every action there is an equal and opposite "RE-action"-

The Law if Karma isn't called the "Law" of Karma because it's optional...

When our Human Race chalks up too many in the "debit" collum we always end up paying.
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President Kerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #17
81. It's been said again and again -
You're comparing apples and oranges. There's all sorts of inhumanity in human consumption. You do what you can to change it. Clubbing seals is outrageously cruel. So are other things. But you have to pick your battles if you want to win. Good luck trying to convince your average Joe of the inhumanity of baiting a fish. Yet it's easy with seal-clubbing - looking at one still image is enough.
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Dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 05:52 AM
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35. Thank you for being a voice of sanity!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 11:36 PM
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24. Please keep Cheney away from those cute baby seals!
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Chomskyite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 03:40 AM
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25. It may be that I'm a rabid Beatles fan
. . . but for the first time in many years I've been nauseated by some DUers' comments. For the life of me, I cannot understand how some effort to stop unnecessary killing, especially that of animals who die for rich peoples' clothing, is not worthwhile. I'm genuinely stumped.

And if you knew--if it even could be known--how many millions McCartney and his family have devoted to good, progressive causes, you'd probably shut your mouth.
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Dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 05:57 AM
Response to Reply #25
38. I feel exactly the same way
About the McCartney's commitment to this cause, progressive causes in general, some DUers nauseating comments about it - and the Beatles!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 08:38 AM
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50. Even beyond their money and activism,
for those of us who lived through the turbulance of the 60s, the Beatles' music was a voice of peacefulness and sanity in a world gone mad. I know it's been distorted by those who are re-writing history, but there was a feeling of optimism that things could work out in the 60s - that the Beatles contributed to - that sometimes seems lacking now.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 03:56 AM
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28. Cheers to Paul and Heather
Glad some people are looking out for the animals! :thumbsup:
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 05:51 AM
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32. Way to go Heather and Paul! Two thumbs up!....
...:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 07:42 AM
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43. wooo--hoo! anything that will help to put a stop to this vile practise
is a good thing to me!

so paul and heather -- you rock!

but then again -- i'm an anti-war, pro-choice, pro-animal rights, pro-civil rights, nationalized health care, gay marriage equality, tree hugging environmentalist, clean air loving, wetlands restoring, clean oceans, anti nafta, anti cafta, pro-union

ABLE TO THINK AND CARE AND SUPPORT AND ACT ABOUT

different issues kind of liberal/progressive.
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Number9Dream Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 08:12 AM
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46. Sign the Stop the Seal Hunt petition
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 08:34 AM
Response to Reply #46
49. i have and donated to the humane societys effort
to stop the slaughter.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #49
66. Thanks xchrom!....
...Thanks for your good effort!...:hi:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 10:32 AM
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67. you betchya -- and to you to.
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Dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 10:42 AM
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68. Done and thank you!
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #46
73. Done! I don't understand why Canada allows this.
I opposed this slaughter when I was 10 years old, writing a letter
to then Prime Minister John Diefenbaker. Forty fours years
later, it still exists. As long as I'm on planet Earth, I'll fight
this!
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rfkrfk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 08:32 AM
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48. saving seals in distress, is a knight's duty n/t
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 09:12 AM
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54. I don't know what is wrong with some DUer's
If the McCarney's use their status to bring attention to a cruel situation I say bravo...
at times I am really shocked at the attitude of people, animals have right also.

I myself always give to the HSUS and signed numerous petitions to stop this and other unnecessary slaughter...

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #54
62. i'm with you.
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 10:43 AM
Response to Reply #54
69.  don't worry-it's just a couple of them w 5 or so alternate DU identities
-they try to make it look like there are alot of anti-animal rights-ers !!
haha
There are NOT a lot of anti-animal rights-ers-
At least not on a Progressive board-

These clowns always come out when someone does a "good" deed for animals.

Maybe they should relate better with Cheney and his shooting fish in a barrel pheasant hunt
when they killed nearly 500 domestic birds that were release especially for him and his friend whom he shot!!

That sure sounds nearly as fun as the spattering blood and the squishing crunching sounds of clubs impacting defenseless babies' heads as they scream for mercy.

Hail to our leaders- may they fall like leaves from a smog ridden tree!

.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 08:51 PM
Response to Reply #54
89. Wasn't She The Same Woman Who Stalked Jennifer Lopez?
And then after trespassing and refusing to leave and having to be forcibly removed from private property, she tried to use her status as being disabled with a prosthesis to try and win sympathy? Or am I thinking of someone else?
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nikatnight Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #89
105. yes, she was the stalker but it had to be done
Yeah, it was Heather McCartney you're thinking of - she used her prosthesis to get sympathy, but she should have - J-Ho has been asked several times to take fur out of her clothing line and stop wearing it, and she won't although she knows the inhumane means used to get it.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 10:05 AM
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59. Thank you Sir Paul and Heather ! -nt
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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #59
76. new info on this!
Full new info at link!

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060228/paul_seal_hunt_060228/20060228?hub=Entertainment

Celebrities have long taken part in protesting against Canada's seal hunt, with the anti-sealing movement reaching its peak in 1977 when Brigitte Bardot cuddled up to baby seals on the ice floes.

In 2005, TV's MacGyver, Richard Dean Anderson, added his voice to the movement.

The Canadian government has endorsed the hunt as a cultural right for many Maritimers -- announcing a management plan in 2003 with a quota of 975,000 seals over three years.

This outraged conservation groups and animal rights activists and protests resumed on the ice floes.

A year later, the federal government estimated there were 5.9 million harp seals on the East Coast, up from two million in the early 1970s. Ottawa estimated the value of the hunt was around $16 million.

In early February, 11 protesters convicted of getting too close to seal hunters in 2005 said they would spend 22 days on a hunger strike in jail rather than pay $1,000 fines.


Adopt-A-Minefield goodwill ambassadors Paul McCartney and Heather Mills McCartney pose for photographers before the Adopt-A-Minefield fifth annual gala in Beverly Hills, Calif. (AP / Rene Macura)


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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 06:39 PM
Response to Original message
80. Why Not Make Certain That HUMAN BEINGS Are Cared For FIRST?
I think his priorities are a bit askew.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #80
83. He Cares about BOTH
Caring about wildlife doesn't mean the person doesn't take steps in helping humans too... skewed. Jesus.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 08:47 PM
Response to Reply #83
86. Yes, Skewed... Jesus Yourself.
It means that he doesn't care ENOUGH about human beings in need.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 09:07 AM
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98. that's a real leap you are making
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #80
84. Why Not Make Certain you understand what is going on
before you post something so obviously shallow.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 08:48 PM
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #84
91. Oh, Brother... Spare Me!
:eyes:
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 02:38 AM
Response to Reply #91
94. weah ya at !!---------- it's mawday Graw-----sistah-
might do you some good ta
Pawwww Dayy!!!

seein''s ya so UpTight
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WhollyHeretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 07:23 PM
Response to Reply #80
85. That is an absolutely ridiculous argument
Edited on Tue Feb-28-06 08:19 PM by GreenJ
Should people stop feeding pets until there are no more human problems?

As amazing as it may seem, most people have the mental capacity to care about more than one issue at a time.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=1318818

Though I doubt you'll let any facts get in the way of your constant stream of vitriol against anyone who shows concern for animals.

edit: To ask how exactly you're helping human beings by obsessing about those who care for animals...
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 08:48 PM
Response to Reply #85
88. I Think That The Problems Facing Human Beings Are More Pressing.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 09:57 PM
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92. Everything and everyone are interrelated
Showing cruelty to a child, a harp seal, a homeless man, anything is all the same. I do not consider myself worth more than the life of a harp seal. I honestly don't. I consider that chauvinistic arrogance. And I abhor the clubbing of these creatures as much as I do the death penalty. It's sickening, barbaric, and totally senseless.
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 06:15 AM
Response to Reply #88
95. The McCartneys have also been campaigning against land mines.
That's a major problem facing humans in many parts of the world.

Many liberals and progressives care about a lot of different issues,
and take what action they can at different times, depending on
circumstances. There's just so much wrong with the world, sometimes
it's hard to put one issue above another - I'm sure the McCarneys are
no different to the rest of us.

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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 07:29 AM
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96. It's threads like this that make me have to double check what site
I'm on. Absolutely pathetic, some of these responses. But then, the price of cheap seafood and a soft pelt means the cruel bludgeoning and skinning alive of a defenseless, infant creature.

Anyway, this is a great story, and I'm glad to see celebs with this kind of status bringing attention to an atrocity that might otherwise go unseen.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 08:20 AM
Response to Reply #96
97. Glad to see you back flvegan!.....
...yes, threads like this really makes one question peoples humanity.
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 02:48 AM
Response to Reply #96
99. great gif !!--n/t
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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 03:28 AM
Response to Reply #96
100. Agreed.
Since when is animal rights a bad thing? Unbelievable that people can be outraged about such things on DU.
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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 07:19 AM
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101. More info
http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,18453,00.html?rsslatest

Canada allows 325,000 seals to be killed per year and that quota was promptly filled in 2005, earning fishermen about $16.5 million in revenue. Those who support the tradition think the McCartneys should stick to rock concerts.

"He'll go out there and cuddle up to a whitecoat and they look beautiful, you can't get away from that, and it is cruel, you can't get away from that either, but it's something we've done for 500 years," sealer Jack Troake told the Toronto Star. "It's part of our culture, our history."

But maybe all you need is protest. In 2004, the Canadian government counted 5.9 million harp seals on the country's east coast, up from 2 million in the '70s. The British government is considering a ban on seal goods. And the European group Respect for Animals, which helped coordinate McCartney's trip, is discouraging taking trips to Canada as a sign of solidarity for the cause.

McCartney and Mills have had a standing reputation as friends of animals big and small. In November the rocker vowed he would never perform in China after seeing a BBC report on dogs and cats being killed there for their fur.

Mills, a former model, is an avid PETA supporter who launched a boycott of J. Crew last year, calling for the retailer to end sales of fur products--which it did, 11 weeks later.

Full new story at link: http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,18453,00.html?rsslatest

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tatertop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 11:46 PM
Response to Reply #101
108. You said something positive about PETA!That summons the anti-PETA zombies!
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Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 10:00 AM
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102. This is inhuman. eom.
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Canuck55 Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 11:09 PM
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106. It's culling, not murder...
This is a huge international outrage, but if they didn't go with an annual hunt the government would wind up contracting out culling operations every 2-3 years. Its the same thing with deer, Conservation determines the rough number of deer, elk, moose males vs. their natural predators required to be culled to equalize the impact that we cause, and issues hunting licenses as required for that year. It's the whole "annual hunt" meant for First Nations traditions, but exploited by commercial fishers, that creatres the furor and makes it seem like some big event.
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 11:22 PM
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107. Is this the same Paul McCartney...
Edited on Thu Mar-02-06 11:23 PM by Dead_Parrot
...who has put his name to a luxury SUV from Lexus? Why, I believe it is. So instead of clubbing some seals to death, He'd rather just melt the entire fucking icecap out from under the whole ecosystem.

Way to save the planet, moron.

(Yes, I know it's a hybrid: and yes, it still has shit fuel economy).
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 11:46 PM
Response to Reply #107
109. No It's Fidelity Investments -
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 11:59 PM
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111. what? nt
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #111
114. My Bad, He Also Does Lexus Hybrid
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/09-20-2005/0004111187&EDATE=

Along with the tacky Fidelity Finance - Paul the father, the musician, the Beatle, the Sir - the millionaire who never has to worry about money for the rest of his life.
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tatertop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 11:48 PM
Response to Reply #107
110. Whatever, hopefully he can refrain from writing a crappy song about it
The world is still recovering from "Freedom."
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 04:06 AM
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112. funny how its only the cute fluffy animals that are worthy of 'saving'
this annual sobfest is a joke. an excuse for celebs to pretend they care for something other than their next pair of manolo blahniks.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #112
113. Uh, they're vegetarians.
It's not like they stopped for veal and then bitched about the death of baby seals or anything. Whether you like it or not they are being consistent.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 01:05 PM
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117. yes they try too
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #112
116. Paul's former wife Linda did a lot of animal rights work
not just for the cute, fluffy ones
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 01:03 PM
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115. Animals have rights too
poor wee baby seals, so cute and furry.
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