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Newsjock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-25-06 08:29 PM Original message |
(Schwarzenegger) would veto bill mandating inclusion of gays in textbooks |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-25-06 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
1. Oh good, der Gropenfuehrer's approval rate's about to take another hit! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 10:18 AM Response to Reply #1 |
23. I'm skeptical that vetoing this bill is a bad idea for him politically |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-25-06 08:42 PM Response to Original message |
2. Well, I don't care what his "moderate" platform says |
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gator_in_Ontario (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-25-06 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
3. We don't need |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-25-06 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
4. shameful. |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-25-06 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
5. so how many Californians are going to contact Ahnuld over this |
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DiscussTheTruth (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-25-06 11:06 PM Response to Original message |
6. Another View |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 07:59 AM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Sexual orientation is equal to religion? |
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TheFarseer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 09:43 AM Response to Reply #6 |
17. This is a weird issue |
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DiscussTheTruth (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 04:43 PM Response to Reply #17 |
79. Working towards civil rights studies would be wiser. |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-27-06 01:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
92. If their being gay is an issue to their contribution, include it |
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WhiteTara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-25-06 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
7. herr boobengroper panders to the right today |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 01:10 AM Response to Original message |
8. This probably won't be popular, but... |
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sutz12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 02:00 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Bingo Hughee |
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Centered (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 05:08 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. agree |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 11:21 AM Response to Reply #10 |
51. Do you feel the same about gender or race? |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 02:55 PM Response to Reply #51 |
61. please expound |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 03:13 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Are you implying that you really believe that homosexuality is only |
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Centered (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 03:45 PM Response to Reply #51 |
70. Being a homosexual has EVERYTHING |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 03:50 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Your disdain is duly noted. |
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Centered (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 04:02 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. LOL |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 04:09 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Wow. You just don't get it. |
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Centered (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 04:24 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. We sort of agree |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 07:18 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. It's a valid point |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 11:17 AM Response to Reply #13 |
50. What about gay children? Is "gay" being a bad word ok for them too? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 10:10 AM Response to Reply #8 |
20. You obviously have no clue about California's legislative process |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 11:14 AM Response to Reply #8 |
49. Because they were able to surmount oppression and hatred and bigotry |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 12:41 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. So the obstacles that one must overcome, |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 12:48 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. The are of major importance to others who seek role models and |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 02:47 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. I don't have a problems with highlighting them, |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-27-06 12:46 PM Response to Reply #49 |
90. A fellow (or rather bloke, since he was English) came to mind reading that |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 04:53 PM Response to Reply #8 |
80. You are joking, aren't you? |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 05:56 PM Response to Reply #80 |
86. Do all classroom discussion mention a person's wife? |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 06:11 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. In my experience, they often do |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-27-06 01:19 PM Response to Reply #80 |
93. I agree about the double standard |
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sugapablo (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 06:28 AM Response to Original message |
11. I'm not sure how I feel about this... |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 06:58 AM Response to Original message |
12. In all fairness this is a dumb bill in some respects. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 10:17 AM Response to Reply #12 |
22. I remember learning that Alexander the Great was homosexual |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 10:23 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. I don't see why it has to be brought up, though. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 10:27 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. In Alexander's case I believe it was historically significant |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 10:32 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Be careful where you go with that. |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 10:46 AM Response to Reply #30 |
39. Then the argument should lead to why his homosexuality led to what |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. That is psychology, not history. |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 11:01 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Just as there are more important issues to fight for politically... |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 04:55 PM Response to Reply #25 |
81. Why does the spouse of any historical figure |
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meow2u3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 12:30 PM Response to Reply #22 |
53. I learned Julius Caesar was a switch-hitter |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 01:20 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Caligula too |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 10:27 AM Response to Reply #12 |
27. It's just as appropriate as studying it through a racial lense... |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 10:30 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Those are both issues with dramatic, tangible impacts on history. |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 10:41 AM Response to Reply #29 |
37. Sexual orientation doesn't have the same sort of impact? |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 10:54 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Because sexual orientation does not drive history. |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Why yes it does. Look at Stonewall, the holocaust... |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 11:06 AM Response to Reply #42 |
46. The Nazi extermination of homosexuals is talked about. |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 11:10 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. But individual contributions from homosexuals are rarely discussed... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 03:28 PM Response to Reply #48 |
66. I need some help understanding your POV |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 03:41 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. I can name several contributions of homosexuals that are discussed... |
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libnnc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 11:08 AM Response to Reply #40 |
47. Ever heard of Harvey Milk? |
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noel adamson (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
15. Well look on the bright side; you're less likely to see this in your ... |
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sugapablo (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 09:14 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Steroids |
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noel adamson (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 10:09 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. I was referring to the hypocrisy of his political opportunism and ... |
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sugapablo (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 10:23 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Huh? |
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fig (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
18. article is misleading |
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sugapablo (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 10:12 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Nobody here mentioned "indoctrination"... |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 10:25 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. I study a lot of history, far more than most, and I can't think of any... |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-27-06 01:55 PM Response to Reply #26 |
96. As a gay man: |
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fig (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 10:34 AM Response to Reply #21 |
33. Excellent question, I'm glad you asked |
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sugapablo (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 10:41 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. OK! |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 10:36 AM Response to Reply #21 |
34. It's likely that we don't know of many because it is a subject that is not |
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fig (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 11:02 AM Response to Reply #34 |
44. Yes, well said! |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 11:06 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Exactly. |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 11:33 AM Response to Reply #34 |
52. Actually, we learned about A LOT of gay people in school... |
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fig (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 01:06 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. I'm not sure I follow |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 02:20 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. I have a few issues with this... |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 03:16 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. "Should we also learn about the first gay person in outer space?" Yes. |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 03:37 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Wait a minute... |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 03:48 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. The argument that you would have to remove material to discuss homosexuals |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 04:01 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Seriously |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 04:11 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. Read post #44. I'm done here. |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 04:27 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Good for you... |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-27-06 01:19 PM Response to Reply #78 |
94. And that is exactly what I'm talking about. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-27-06 02:02 PM Response to Reply #59 |
97. This apparently applies to you as well as others here: |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 05:00 PM Response to Reply #52 |
82. So by that reasoning |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 05:25 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Frankly, if a person's SO has nothing to contribute |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 05:47 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. of course it has relevance |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 06:05 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. In some cases it has relevance, in many others, it does not... |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 06:07 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. well of course it's not relevant all the time |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-27-06 12:52 PM Response to Reply #21 |
91. See #90. -nt |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 03:01 PM Response to Reply #18 |
62. you can't compare |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 03:25 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. What does hiding it have to do with anything? Does it make our lack |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 05:01 PM Response to Reply #62 |
83. I guess you never heard of "passing."............... |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
31. Mr. Orgy has no moral ground to stand on. |
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sugapablo (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 10:39 AM Response to Reply #31 |
36. *laughs* |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 12:31 PM Response to Reply #36 |
54. I know, I just love to point out the hypocrisy. |
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zreosumgame (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
32. of course , he only poses for gay magazines |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
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JackDragna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
69. I'm all in favor of keeping gays out of textbooks! |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-27-06 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
95. My, this thread is full of examples of the fine art... |
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fshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-27-06 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
98. That would include, for example, Michelangelo, Alexander the great, |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-28-06 07:39 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. although if you are teaching oscar wilde or tchaikovsky |
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fshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-28-06 08:56 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Yep. One word actually defines the US at this time: |
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