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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 03:39 AM
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Lopez Obrador calls for extended protest
July 30, 2006, 11:28PM
Lopez Obrador calls for extended protest
He plans sit-ins in Mexico City to force a recount

By DUDLEY ALTHAUS
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

MEXICO CITY - Upping the ante in his quest to overturn the results of Mexico's July 2 presidential elections, leftist contender Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador called Sunday for supporters to stage sit-ins throughout downtown Mexico City until a recount is held.
(snip)

He ordered followers taking part in the sit-ins not to damage public property or provoke confrontations.
"All our actions will be based on the idea of peaceful civil resistance, in a framework of nonviolence," Lopez Obrador said.

Such street protests have been a way of life in Mexico City for decades. They often snare the already chaotic traffic, infuriating many residents. Anticipating some negative reaction, Lopez Obrador asked for understanding.
(snip)

Lopez Obrador aides had predicted that as many as 2 million people would march Sunday. Mexico City's police, who are controlled by Lopez Obrador's Democratic Revolution Party, estimated the crowd at about that number.
(snip)

Families marched together, as did students and union groups. Mothers pushed babies in strollers; others came in their wheelchairs.
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http://chron.com/disp/story.mpl/world/4082694.html

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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 05:16 AM
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1. I was down there 2 weeks ago
And on one Saturday, marched in support. Over 1 million people marched that day. I wonder what would happen if the silent masses joined in. Vive La Revolution!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 07:21 AM
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5. Que viva!
lol
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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 03:05 AM
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16. Sorry, I'm in France this week
And I got my Vive! and Viva! mixed up!
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 06:18 AM
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2. 2 MILLION PEOPLE! God, what does it take?! I am awed! Viva Amlo!
These days, I am hypersensitive to the little phrases and interpolations by which our war profiteering corporate news monopolies demean citizen action and the passion for democracy. For instance, "Lopez Obrador aides had predicted that as many as 2 million people would march Sunday. Mexico City's police, who are controlled by Lopez Obrador's Democratic Revolution Party, estimated the crowd at about that number."

"Mexico City's police, who are controlled by Lopez Obrador's....."

Ha! They don't have corporate ass-kissing police in Mexico City, to give them falsely low numbers, so they can marginalize, say, a crowd of 100,000, by saying that 200,000 were expected, but police estimated the crowd at under 50,000. Thus, the 100,000 who showed up are nothing. Their effort and their passion mean nothing. Corporate Rule and the Fascist State will go on, because the police just disappeared 50,000 people, and the remainder might as well be disappeared. Kudos to the Mexico City police for giving them no way to lie! '"

And to further demean, marginalize, backpage and envelope into a black hole: "Such streets protests have been a way of life in Mexico City for decades."

Nothing to see here. Move along. Real people--consumers, the oblivious, the "I've got mine, fuck you" crowd--are hindered in their oblivion and damned annoyed by it. Whether or not Lopez Obrador really pandered to these global warmers, who knows? Corporate reporters often enough make things up. ("His critics say...".) The whole thing might be invented. It may be only the reporter who is annoyed--that he has to cover this shit. Peons protesting. Ho-hum.

"...controlled by Lopez Obrador's...". I'm wondering if that's even true. What does it mean-- "controlled by"? They have no objectivity? Unlike police controlled by moneyed interests? Lopez Obrador doesn't strike me as a controlling sort of personality. But even if he is, how does he control them? What is the basis for this statement? It's asserted by the reporter as fact--on the basis of what? It's a highly political OPINION, inserted into the article as the truth, with no foundation to it, not even the handy "his critics say." ("His critics say that his party controls the police and puts words into the police chief's mouth.")

Maybe what this Corporate Rulers' reporter is disappointed at is no head bashing, no Darth Vader police lines and pepper spray hosing machines, no fun fascism to cover. That Mexico City's police are on the side of the people really pisses him off. So he has to account for the ENORMOUS crowd of protesters, and the perfect civility and peacefulness of a gathering of TWO MILLION PEOPLE, by implying some kind of mind control over the police--by "Lopez Obrador's Democratic Revolution Party."

Yup, I'm annoyed. These are my brethren. I used to be in the journalism crowd. And I am appalled at what this profession has turned into, in the U.S.: the puppy dogs of the ruthless criminals who would nuke 50 million people for their oil, without a thought.

Well, now I consider my brethren and sisteren to be the poor brown peons of Latin America, who are teaching us democracy, and warming our hearts in this, our darkest hour. Viva la revolution!
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 09:12 AM
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8. The not-so-subtle propaganda immediately set off my alarm bells
also. I'm seeing this type of lapdog journalism more and more frequently in US MSM. It is disturbing and pathetic.

Good post, thanks.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 06:35 AM
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3. Wishing Obrador & his people the very best.
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 07:17 AM
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4. Mexico leftists try to shut capital
As police looked on, the protesters set up tents and tarpaulin covers in the middle of the wide boulevard and said they would block it to all traffic on Monday.

That could cut off Mexico's stock market, luxury hotels, government offices, the U.S. Embassy and the headquarters of major corporations.

"They wanted to steal the elections from us but we are not giving in," said Magdalena Salazar, a middle-aged woman who danced with her daughter in the Zocalo as a salsa band called "Minimum Wage" played into the early hours of Monday.

"If they don't pay attention to us, we'll shut the city down," she said. Nearby, hundreds of other Lopez Obrador supporters from around the country tried to grab some sleep on the ground, curling up on blankets and strips of cardboard.

http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/international/ticker/detail/Mexico_leftists_try_to_shut_capital.html?siteSect=143&sid=6936426&cKey=1154335970000
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 08:53 AM
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6. Mexico is where it's at...check this out K&R -- exeellent post!!!
I couldn't agree more with Obrador or the Mexican people fighting for their rights. This is truly heroic and on such a grand scale.

Here are some articles on the daily news thread for Elections http://tinyurl.com/oxj6s

While you're there check out the OP and the posts on the CA 50th Decertification and Recount
case headed by DUer Paul Lehto. http://tinyurl.com/nqhvc
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 08:57 AM
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7. Obrador figured out the sore loser label is bullshit
he knows when he and the people of Mexico have been robbed. This is their one shot, you don't get a re-do, time to stand and fight, I'm glad so many DU'rs see that this fight is worth it as conservatives continue their drive to dismantle democracy!!!!
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 01:46 PM
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10. I have a problem with "knowing" they've been robbed
Edited on Mon Jul-31-06 01:50 PM by slackmaster
Until all the votes are counted.

I can hang with strongly suspecting or even believing, but knowing is not possible with the information available IMO.

An expression of dogged certainty (even if one turns out to be correct) will be perceived by many as taking an attitude that winning is more important than fulfilling the actuall will of the people.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 02:30 PM
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12. Oh, Slackmaster, you sound like the people who think that the $4 billion
dollars appropriated by the Anthrax Congress, to "Help America Vote"--which went straight into the pockets of Bush's big buds at Diebold and ES&S, who returned the favor by selling the states insider hackable voting systems, run on TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code, with virtually no audit/recount controls--was REALLY INTENDED to create a transparent election in 2004, but--darn!--they just couldn't get the hang of it, somehow. Transparent vote counting? Huh? What's that?

"Prove it," my ass.

And then they demand that WE come up with the evidence! WE have to "prove" it. The 2004 election was a fraud going in. It was DESIGNED to HIDE the evidence. We're lucky to have the evidence we do--a mountain of it, all pointing at fraud, gathered by the blood and sweat of tireless activists and experts--but we, of course, can't "prove" it, because ONE THIRD of the country voted on paperless touchscreens, many states had NO audits, the best states had only 1% audits, and virtually ALL votes were "tabulated" by TRADE SECRET code. And in ADDITION you had a criminal president and AG permitting a criminal Republican cabal in Ohio to massively violate the Voting Rights Act with impunity, to cement their manufactured victory--and a bunch of Democratic corporatists and warmongers keeping the lid on it afterward.

A non-transparent election IS fraudulent. The fact that you can't "prove it" either way IS the problem. And THERE IS NO OTHER REASON FOR SECRECY IN VOTE COUNTING THAN TO STEAL ELECTIONS.

Mexico's votes were "tallied" by electronic code that Calderon's brother has an interest in. Ballots were dumped in the garbage. Ballot boxes were stuffed. All documented. They "lost" 3 million votes in the initial "tally"--and when they "found" SOME OF THEM, Lopez Obrador was now within striking distance. Calderon by only .06. They furthermore put tricky numbers on the screen, with Calderon surging to an .06 "victory" on the wings of 90% votes in all the "late" precincts. The Mexican election smells to high heaven. And if WE had been able to do what the MEXICANS are doing now--put 2 million people in the streets demanding a REAL count of all the ballots, and not just a Calderon code "tally"--we wouldn't have an idiot for president leading us straight into WW III.

Proof before an election tribunal is a different thing than the people SMELLING fraudulence, and KNOWING it was a fraud. Because the people look at MOTIVATION, as well as the ballots in the garbage. They may not be able to FIND all of the dumped ballots. But they KNOW WHY it was done. They're all poor--dirt poor--due to deliberate policy of the Fox/Calderon's. And they are part of a VAST POPULATION that has been impoverished and oppressed. There is NO WAY that Calderon represents the majority in Mexico. THAT'S what people know. And when they look at the "lost" 3 million votes, only SOME OF WHICH were "found," and the hairsbreadth of difference between candidates, they know something else, and they know it for sure: It was stolen.

"Proving" that the fraud was deliberate may be impossible. A lot of evidence has no doubt already been destroyed. Proving that the election was invalid may be possible. Establishing grounds for a real recount may be possible (but then there are those "lost" votes--is the ballot base still sufficiently in tact?). The government's RESISTANCE to a real recount is certainly telling--with such a thin margin for the corporatist, and all that "lost" 3 million votes business. (It's no wonder they don't want a recount! Does that "prove" fraud? No. But it adds to the SMELL!) Getting a new election may be difficult, but not impossible.

In the case of OUR election, and in the case of the Mexican election, the burden of proof is on the GOVERNMENT, NOT on the people. If there is egregious non-transparency, as in our case, or highly suspicious circumstances, in their case, the CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED has neither been sought nor achieved. ONLY FULL TRANSPARENCY can achieve that. A PUBLIC VOTE COUNT. All evidence exposed to public scrutiny.

The major difference between the Mexicans and us is that we had Edison-Mitofsky fiddling the exit polls, to match the NON-TRANSPARENT results of Diebold/ES&S's TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code--thus denying the American people strong evidence of election fraud. If there was a chance of 2 million people in the streets in this country, that was it--and the people DIDN'T KNOW. Also, Kerry was no Lopez Obrador. (VIVA AMLO!) And, finally, Americans didn't have a vast, peaceful, leftist, democratic revolution happening throughout Latin America, to boost them up, and to give them reason to believe, as the new indigenous president of Bolivia has stated, "The time of the people has come."

Technocrats who demand "proof" understand neither politics nor people--nor the enormous corruption and crime of the global corporate predators who have been running both of these governments. CONTEXT IS ALL.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 02:48 PM
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15. It sounds like you are more interested in putting AMLO in office
Edited on Tue Aug-01-06 02:49 PM by slackmaster
Than in making the best possible effort to determine what the voters actually wanted.

There is NO WAY that Calderon represents the majority in Mexico. THAT'S what people know.

You've got that right. According to the disputed official result, almost 2/3 of the population voted against Calderon.

And the same is true for Lopez Obrador.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 02:35 PM
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13. Shades of 1789 and the Tennis Court Oath, where the
Parisian bourgeoisie declared that they represented the people of France.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 01:39 PM
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9. Viva! Viva! Obrador! ........ Now that is the way to do it!
:dem::toast::bounce::bounce::smoke::smoke::yourock::smoke::smoke::bounce::bounce::toast::kick:
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 03:10 PM
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11. Even if you don't win
fighting for what's right is good for the soul. Maybe we could teach the Democratic party this. !Viva la lucha!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 02:41 PM
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14. Viva Obrador! and the peoples of Mexico for standing up and protesting
like we American voters should have done...if we had known what we now know about 2000 and what we warned about would happen in 2004.
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