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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 11:32 PM
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Ashcroft blasts 9-11 Commission

http://www.upi.com/SecurityTerrorism/view.php?StoryID=20061005-052222-3483r

Analysis: Ashcroft blasts 9-11 Commission

WASHINGTON, Oct. 5 (UPI) -- Former Attorney General John Ashcroft this week became the only Cabinet-level Bush official to attack the Sept. 11 Commission, writing in his memoirs it "seemed obsessed with trying to lay the blame for the terrorist attacks at the feet of the Bush administration, while virtually absolving the previous administration of responsibility."

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GOP Commissioner Slade Gorton, a former senator from Washington State, told United Press International Thursday that he found the charges "extraordinary," recalling that President Bush had personally repudiated Ashcroft's tactics in his sparring with the commission.

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Ashcroft "may very well have been the worst witness we interviewed," he said, adding he was "very unresponsive and unhelpful."

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At his April 14, 2003, appearance Ashcroft sprung on the commission a just-declassified top secret memo written by commission member and former Clinton administration Justice Department official Jamie Gorelick in 1995. The memo, Ashcroft said, was "the basic architecture" for the so-called wall, which he said was "the greatest structural cause for Sept. 11."

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The commission's report, however, concluded that the wall grew up during the 1980s, primarily as a response to a series of court rulings, and noted that a memo from Ashcroft's deputy Larry Thompson in August 2001 had effectively ratified the policy laid out by Gorelick in 1995.

The day prior to Ashcroft's testimony, the man who had been acting FBI director throughout the summer of 2001, Thomas Pickard, told the commission that Ashcroft had told him during a briefing covering counter-terrorism that "he did not want to hear about this anymore," and had refused a request for additional funding for FBI counter-terrorist activities.

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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 11:43 PM
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1. Hey John, didja notice Sept. 11 happened on YOUR WATCH???
Edited on Thu Oct-05-06 11:43 PM by Phredicles
Also in your memoirs will you be telling why after the July 10 meeting you suddenly stopped taking commercial flights?

Or will you be talking about what it was like to get your ass kicked in a senatorial campaign by a dead guy, for that matter?

Fuckin' buttbrain :grr:
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 11:45 PM
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2. "trying to lay the blame ... at the feet of the Bush administration"
The truth hurts like a muthafucka! :hurts:
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Bob3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 11:47 PM
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3. temper, temper John - who was on watch when it happened?
This is of course an attempt to deflect the ugly questions about why Aschroft stopped flying commercial flights shortly he got the same briefing that Condi had gotten earlier (the one she doesn't remember getting but the State Department does).

I'm not much of a tin foil hat person "never assume malice when stupidity is an adequate explanation" is my motto but, I have to say, Aschcroft's actions are very very suspicious. The phrase "let it happen on purpose" comes to mind. However while I could accuse them of much, I don't think they simply stood by and allowed the attack on the towers to take place. I suspect that they thought there would be to use Ms. Rice's unlovely phrase "hijackings in the traditional sense" which then could exploit to invade Iraq. THey didn't think of the hijackers using the planes to crash into the towers - even though they had been warned. Even when they try to conspire, these people are a cluster fuck.



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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 03:01 AM
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12. Clinton was vigilant, and that's why Junior wasn't
Junior and his cronies believed that Clinton and everything he did was bad. And in that mindset, their first inclination was to stop doing whatever the Clinton administration had been doing and vice versa. Consider, for example, the real reason The Decider didn't retaliate for the attack on the USS Cole, revealed by Richard Clarke in his 9/11 Commission testimony: It was because it happened on Clinton's watch.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/08/clarke.rice/index.html

And remember this?

Clinton came under intense criticism in 1998 by the GOP after he launched an attack on suspected terrorist targets in Afghanistan and Sudan. Intelligence indicated bin Laden and his top associates were meeting at a training camp when U.S. missiles were fired at it, just weeks after al Qaeda terrorists bombed U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/03/23/wag.dog/


"Wag the dog," they said. Loud and long. Clinton made it all up. That state of mind was still with them when the took office in January 2001.

The incoming Bush administration ignored warnings of the impending terrorist attacks simply because in their petty little minds, that was a Clinton thing.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 05:47 AM
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13. Funny, for an administration that hated everything Clinton
Edited on Fri Oct-06-06 05:49 AM by DoYouEverWonder
why did Bush keep Clinton's top Intel people, Freeh (Mueller had only been in the job one week) and Tenet and why did they keep Norman Mineta has head of transportation? I guess they knew they would need scapegoats and they wanted to connect the failure of intelligence on 9-11 to Clinton people.

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 08:38 AM
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19. Remember what it was like to have a real President? Real Presidents don't
get sucked in by their flak-catchers' talking points--i.e., "Junior and his cronies believed that Clinton and everything he did was bad."

I think Bush is a puppet--and is not the president, in any real sense, and never has been. I don't think he's his own man, so to speak. If he was, he would have dumped both Cheney and Rumsfeld some time around the end of 2003 (for their cooked intel on Iraq WMDs, and for outing Plame and the CIA's entire counter-proliferation network, Brewster-Jennings), and they would have been lucky to escape treason charges. But I don't think Bush has or had the power to dump them. Talk about "wag the dog." They wag Bush, not the other way around.

They put him in office, as their puppet. They--Cheney and Rumsfeld--are the front men for war profiteers and oil profiteers. This Cabal fixed both elections, '00 and '04. The first by massive election fraud, circa '00, and by fixing the Supreme Court. The second, '04, by taking direct control of vote-counting through two rightwing Bushite electronic voting corporations, Diebold and ES&S, using "trade secret," proprietary software in the new voting systems installed during the 2002-2004 period.

Think for a moment about the 7 minutes of "My Pet Goat." Did that look like a man in charge? Nope, that looked like a punk rich kid who knew that "Daddy" was "fixing" things for him. He'd been very bad. He and his pals had kicked the crap out of that little fat kid with glasses down the street, who was in intensive care, with one lost eye and the other in danger, and his life nearly snuffed out. "Daddy" was arranging an alibi for his gangster son. And buying some cops and judges. Junior would be whisked off to an exclusive boys camp in Switzerland, where he would learn to take out his aggressions by raiding good companies and destroying them, and firing all their workers, and getting filthy rich.

A mean, nasty, guilty little boy caught in the headlights. That's what that look was. And all he had to worry about was playing his part.

Cheney and Rumsfeld and the Cabal didn't believe that "Clinton and everything he did was bad." Good/bad?--a matter of complete indifference to them. Saddam was bad, and they had supplied him with chemical weapons. And Clinton had his uses. NAFTA, for one. And sicking the Darth Vader troops on the 50,000 anti-globalist Americans protesting in Seattle. But Clinton was a mixed bag--he had a social conscience--and had to be prevented from achieving universal health care, or any other beneficial national policy. Thus, they hounded him mercilessly and found his one weakness, and used it to distract him with a witch-hunt. He also had to be prevented from tracking the Al Qaeda money trail. Al Qaeda was a Bush Cartel project, initiated by the CIA and run through the secretive bin Laden family and Saudi royals. Under Clinton, FBI agent John O'Neill had followed it to Yemen. After the Supreme Court coup of '00, one of Cheney's first moves was an "investigation" of the Clinton FBI. (Remember that? Summer of '01. And one of the investigators was Gary Condit, member of the House Intelligence Committee, and a "blue dog" Democrat--a White House favorite--who, two days after his lover Chandra Levy disappeared, voted in favor of the Bush Junta's first tax cut for the rich, in a very close vote. Two months later, Condit disclosed his schedule for the week of Levy's disappearance, which included a meeting with Cheney on the day she disappeared, during what turned out to be the very hours of her disappearance. In early August, Newsweek disclosed that the FBI had never asked Cheney about this meeting (Condit's only alibi during those hours), not even to verify that the meeting had actually taken place.) During that same summer, leading up to 9/11--as the House "investigation" of the FBI proceeded, John O'Neill was forced out of the FBI and his investigation of the Al Qaeda money trail shut down. (He went to work as head of security at the WTC the week it was attacked, and died in the attack.) Another thing that happened--during the "investigation" of the FBI (summer '01)--was that FBI agent Colleen Rowley's routine request for a warrant to get into Zacharias Moussaoui's computer was denied by her superiors in DC.

And, of course, just preceding all of this (spring '01), there were Cheney's secret energy meetings, at which the oil giants carved up the map of the Iraqi oil fields among themselves. Heavy summer, that.

Taken all in all--the numerous "hair on fire" warnings about Al Qaeda, ignored, and the plain obstructions of tracking Al Qaeda (described above) that the Cabal was engaged in, and a few other facts, like the NORAD stand-down on 9/11 (Rumsfeld), and orchestration of events from the bunker, keeping Bush out of it (Cheney)--I'd have to say that LIHOP (they let it happen) was quite likely, and their purpose was to invade Iraq (and following that, Iran) to get control of Mideast oil. Bush, I would guess, is only dimly aware of the ways that this Cabal arranges things for him--whether making him into a "war president" with 9/11, or fixing the 2004 election with "trade secret" vote counting software. He is almost completely lacking in skills or talent, and has no understanding of how government works. His role is to read "My Pet Goat" (his dimwitted, pre-programmed Orwellian phrases) to the kids (us--or rather, to the war profiteering corporate news monopolies' version of "us" as hate-filled 'christian' yahoos whose kneejerk response to flag-waving is to kick the shit out of fat little kids with glasses, brown immigrants, fags, and peace protesters.) (This Cabal and its news monopolies are into insulting us, I believe.)

You say that that state of mind--the rightwing talking point that warnings about terrorist attacks were a Clinton thing--"was still with them when they took office in January 2001." That may have been true of Rove and his PR flaks, and of Bushite underlings, but it was not true of Cheney, Rumsfeld and the Corporate Oil Cabal. They were/are well outside of, and behind, the bullshit that is shoveled out for public consumption. Their obsessions are money and power. Clinton hatred was for the peons. Some power-players on the right--Kenneth Starr comes to mind; and Howard Ahmanson (the rightwing billionaire funder of the Diebold spinoff, ES&S, who also supports groups that tout the death penalty for homosexuals, among other things); and maybe Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity--may have a real and visceral hatred of the Clintons. Cheney, Rumsfeld and Cabal couldn't care less. It was CONVENIENT for them to have underlings who hated Clinton, and dissed everything he did, and ignored all of his peoples' warnings about Al Qaeda. But they would have ignored those warnings ANYWAY, and would have found another excuse for doing so.

Now try again to imagine what a REAL president would have done, in the situation that presented itself in early 2001. 1. He would have quickly realized that his vice president had ill intentions (those secret energy meetings), and was out to feather his own nest, and would have isolated him from all serious policy- and decision-making, and planned to dump him from the ticket in '04, and possibly even force his resignation before that. 2. He would have encouraged the FBI and the CIA to track Al Qaeda funding wherever it led and shut it down, tightened security at ports of entry and barred the hijackers, and sent a message to these agencies that would have empowered Colleen Rowley, John O'Neil and others to pursue their investigations. 3. He would have immediately called for a fast-track program of conversion to alternative energy, to get us off Mideast oil and keep us out of that quagmire, and to ALSO address global warming in a worldwide cooperative effort--and would also have forced the Israelis and Palestinians to the table for a FINAL settlement (justice for the Palestinians, safety for Israel); overtures to Iran (to make up for our having destroyed its democracy in 1954), and successful pressure on the Taliban to give up OBL and put him on trial for the Cole and embassy bombings. 4. A thorough look at NORAD and air defenses, to make sure everything was working right. 5. Meetings with airport officials and airline pilots and employees, to improve commercial airplane security. 6. There are many other positive and useful things a real President would have done--for instance, using the alternative energy goal to re-invigorate the economy and re-inspire American ingenuity, and get us out of the doldrums of corporate monopolies (whose idea is to hoard resources, and enrich the few--not creativity and real prosperity), or supporting the new democracy movement in Venezuela--a very positive development--to have a secure source of oil outside of the Middle East, for the transition period to alternative fuels.

We could ALL think of POSITIVE measures that may well have prevented 9/11. And, if 9/11 had occurred anyway (--hard to imagine without insider cooperation (the first WTC attack was more in line with Al Qaeda's real capabilities--limited damage), but say that it did), the NEXT move would be to REDOUBLE the efforts described above (get off Mideast oil, tighten ports of entry, settle the Israeli/Palestinian dispute, etc.), and enlist the world's support in solving these multiple political, diplomatic, resource and security problems. The world was willing to help. The entire world was with us at that point. A real president would have taken full advantage of that univeral offer of cooperation. Even Saddam would have cooperated. He hated OBL and Al Queda, and feared Islamic jihad in Iraq. As for Saddam, sanctions and no-fly zones had crippled the country, and only a bit of bluster and threat was needed to get full UN inspections. 95%% of Saddam's WMD capability was gone, destroyed. The UN could handle the rest, and it was about time to lift the sanctions, which were only hurting the poor--and start getting things headed in a more positive direction in Iraq and throughout the Middle East, so that we could disentangle ourselves from it. Our relations with the sultans of Saudi Arabia and others like them were a disgrace to our democratic principles. This, and our failure to insist on fairness to the Palestinians, were constantly aggravating the Islamic masses. This hatred could be stopped, or at least greatly mitigated, if we had the will to do so.

Think of a real President--or even a half-real one, one who would have taken at least SOME of the above measures--given the warnings about Al Qaeda, and the previous attacks.

Now think of our "My Pet Goat" President.

We did not HAVE a president during that period (and we don't have one now). We had an Oil Cabal, bending every policy to its own profitable ends.

And I just don't believe that its frontmen, Cheney and Rumsfeld, bought into the rightwing blather about Clinton. If anything, I think they were aware of his effectiveness as a president, on the matter of Al Queda. He wasn't as brilliant and visionary as described above, but he was doing his job. The first WTC attackers were convicted and in jail. The FBI was tracking down their money, and closely watching other potential operatives. And stopping these attacks was Clinton's top national security priority. Cheney and Rumsfeld didn't disdain those Clinton measures--in any kneejerk rightwing way. They wanted to STOP them.
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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 09:53 AM
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22. What a great, dead-on analysis
What you wrote, in my opinion, is extremely close to the truth.
One thing that still baffles me, though. Why did Bush claim in public twice that he saw the first plane hit the wtc (on tv, no less - closed circuit feed in the limo?). I think he was being a "bad puppet," and let whatever conscious he has lead him to this stark revelation: they knew it was coming, they had a remote camera focused on the WTC and through a satelite feed, showed it to Bush as it happened. His "I saw the plane hit the tower" statements were his way of saying: "yeah, we knew it was coming. I'm sure that after the first such statement, his handlers gave him a stern warning to avoid such statements, as the implication was a little too clear. But then he said it again. A few days after the 2nd "I saw the plane hit the tower" pronouncement, he choked on a pretzel, passed out and scuffed up his face on the coffee table.
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crazylikafox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 10:19 AM
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24. Great post!! EVERYONE PLEASE READ THIS
and save it to respond to all the crazies who blame Clinton, and the other 99% of the people in this country who don't have a clue what this administration is really about
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 12:42 PM
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26. Great post, Peace Patriot
I hope everybody reads this post...you make me really long for a real president, instead of the rich man's spoiled son we have now.
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 07:57 PM
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34. Very good post.
Thank you for a very interesting read.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 11:50 PM
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4. Why am I recommending this?
Because I really want the eagle to soar.

"9/11 Commission Two: I Know What You Did Last Time."


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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 11:53 PM
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5. Because you enjoy seeing rank hypocricy exposed....
Just like me....
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 12:30 AM
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6. they've got nuthin'
as soon as we start getting questions asked... they've got nuthin' -- that's why the attack.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 12:54 AM
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7. Actions of a classic guilt complex.
Sing another hymn Ashcroft.

You'll have a lot to answer for someday.

I still remember the lie you told when asked why you had stopped flying on commercial planes in July of 2001.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 01:37 AM
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8. Wow, AssKKKrack, why the hostility?
People who get that defensive usually know something.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 01:39 AM
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9. may he spend eternity in that hell he supposedly believes in ...
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 09:43 AM
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21. What a guy!!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 01:44 AM
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10. Guilty conscience, Private Jet John?
Do you think I will ever forget that you let me fly in August when you knew it wasn't safe in July?

You were willing to let me die.

Since there will never be legal, honest justice in your America, Private Jet John, I pray you die in agony, screaming because you are burning, burning, burning as you feel the jet fuel evaporate your skin and bones.

I'm not Amish and I don't forgive.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 02:43 AM
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11. while virtually absolving the previous administration of responsibility."
erm, 911 happened during bush's presidency. he seems to have forgotten about the little piffling details like 'bin laden determined to...' and how they cut back funding for anti-terror work.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 04:14 PM
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27. Wow, eager - oh so eager - to point the finger
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 06:27 AM
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14. Does that statue still have her boobs covered?
Or was that taken off when this asscrack left. (I've missed not being able to type "Asscrack" since he left.)
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 07:16 AM
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15. Such a fucking idiot.
Thank God he's not the Attorney General any more. If only the new one were any better...
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 07:26 AM
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16. Asscroft is such an asshole his ass is permanently displayed
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 08:03 AM
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17. Gorelick, another brick in the wall
You would think that someone with a legal background, like Ashcroft, would understand that law is often based on previous writings. Not as strigent as stare decisis, but agency policies and legislation do look at the historical record when law is being developed in Washington. I can see why Ashcroft is confused. This Administration never bothered to look at the historical significance of things like the Geneva Conventions, so why would he bother to do his homework on anything else.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 08:20 AM
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18. Guilty LIHOPer.
Ashcroft needs to be charged with slightly less than 3,000 counts of criminally negligent homicide.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 08:41 AM
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20. Hey John, why were you flying charter in July and Aug 2001 ?
... but you didn't bother to advise that * call for increased airport security or alert anyone ELSE about the threats you and your closest pals knew about ??

Asshat. :spank:
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 09:55 AM
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23. Rice To Ashcroft; "stay off commercial planes in September"
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 11:53 AM
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25. John you were only worried about covering up the busts of
statues in the WH with our taxpayer dollars....you couldn't really focus on possible terrorist attacks.....could you?
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 04:52 PM
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28. Ashcroft Heard the Warnings and Went Fishing -- By PRIVATE JET
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml

Ashcroft Flying High
WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001(CBS) Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.



Earlier this week, the Justice Department leased a NASA-owned G-3 Gulfstream for a 6-day trip to Western states. Such aircraft cost the government more than $1,600 an hour to fly. When asked whether Ashcroft was paying for any portion of the trips devoted to personal business, a Justice Department spokeswoman declined to respond.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 04:55 PM
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29. Fuck you, Ashcroft! You sorry piece of shit.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 04:57 PM
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30. Ashcroft Sent the Fighters Guarding Our Cities To Catch Pot Smugglers
It may have taken the Air Force longer to respond to 9/11
because many of the planes that used to protect our cities
had been diverted by Ashcroft to go after marijuana smugglers.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 04:58 PM
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the Eagle is squawking--comatose Ashcroft suddenly awakes
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 04:58 PM
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31. the Eagle is squawking--comatose Ashcroft suddenly awakes
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 05:03 PM
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32. You know- McDonald's is bringing back their Monopoly game.
That was Ashcroft's only accomplishment as AG. He didn't stop terrorists. He stopped McDonald's Monopoly game. Better get back to work, John.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 06:40 PM
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33. ASScrotch & Rice make the case for LIHOP, everytime they open
their mouths, I think they are pushing it to MIHOP.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 10:21 PM
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35. right except she could be refered to as Lice.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 10:55 PM
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37. sorry, my apologies, to the LICE.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 10:29 PM
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36. LET THE EAGLE SOARRRRRRR
and may it shat upon his head!


Pickard called him out and he hates that, and, he went all private jet on us before 9/11... sick bastard knew something was coming, they ALL did but didn't tell us so we could have reported anything suspicious and been on guard, but even then, there WERE people who reported them in their positions of flight school owners and FBI emp. reporting a lot of chatter.


I won't judge him, but I'm sure glad, I'm not him!!! They can insult my being gay all they want, but the Lord knows my heart - these people helped bring on 9/11 to us and the deaths of now over 6000 Americans and over 100,000 Iraqis for NO reason except to push capitalism into the middle east!

EVERYONE should watch Wes Clark on youtube calling Bush out for seeking to start a war with 1 billion Muslims! IT'S FANTASTIC!!!
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 12:42 AM
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38. Too late to recommend but I can still kick. n/t
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