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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 03:43 PM Original message |
Study: Bar workers breathe easier after smoking ban |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
1. business has plummeted in WA state bars |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 03:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Maybe everybody is drinking at home. Works for me......... |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 05:27 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. I believe the same happened |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 06:55 PM Response to Reply #10 |
30. Do the research. It's anectdotal that biz drops. n/t |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 06:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
28. BS. My husband plays in bars in Wa, and not ONE has closed.. |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 10:08 AM Response to Reply #28 |
43. that's a bar with MUSIC. |
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Scairp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 03:34 PM Response to Reply #43 |
52. Smokers will get over it eventually |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 05:43 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. i think these are bars for those WITHOUT friends |
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BurningDog (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 07:26 AM Response to Reply #52 |
80. If this is true... |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 06:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
31. Please show us some numbers to back that up. |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 10:21 AM Response to Reply #31 |
44. see post above |
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Fozzledick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 12:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
45. Typical time-line of a local smoking ban |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 12:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
46. Maybe half the self-poison isn't as attractive? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
2. I think what people are saying |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 04:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. You sound like a spokesperson for the tobacco companies |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 05:02 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. The chemicals in the product |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 05:38 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. LOL |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 05:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. There's been quite a bit of improvement in air quality |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 06:48 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. Psssht |
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LiberalHeart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 02:11 AM Response to Reply #24 |
71. I see you're an Ann Richard's fan... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 12:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
47. Marijuana smoke and tobacco smoke are vastly different. |
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Nikia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 07:34 PM Response to Reply #47 |
57. Cigarettes are actually bronchial constrictors |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 11:19 PM Response to Reply #57 |
65. Indeed - the two types of smoke are polar opposites. |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 03:56 AM Response to Reply #47 |
72. Not to mention that tobacco smoke... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 04:38 AM Response to Reply #47 |
73. Doesn't appear to be accurate |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
4. Feh. Nonsmokers can take their drinking habits elsewhere. |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 04:27 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. That's bullcrap - businesses don't change till forced to by rules |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 05:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. "...Smokers will adjust after a time...." |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 05:49 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Yellow star? |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 09:13 AM Response to Reply #15 |
40. Wow, I thought another thread was the popcorn winner, but the yellow star |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 12:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
48. That's an insultingly ludicrous argument. |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 09:41 PM Response to Reply #6 |
59. Forget bars - |
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Demit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
5. It would be interesting to see what the workers think if attendance drops |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 06:54 PM Response to Reply #5 |
29. Much better to have lung cancer than tips... n/t |
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Demit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 09:38 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. What? Your post doesn't even make any sense. |
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denverbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
8. As a former smoker, and former bar-goer, I still oppose the bans. |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 05:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Govt regulations can't cover everything - but w/o them the |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 12:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
49. IMHO, there should be recourse for employees who take a job... |
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Thickasabrick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
16. I've always thought that a bar that you paid a small "member" |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 06:40 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. "Cigar" clubs here, have just such a dispensation |
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Thickasabrick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 06:45 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. In California???? I thought you couldn't even smoke outside there. |
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Demobrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 09:41 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. Yes, we have "Cigar Bars" here in SF. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 06:50 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. That's how the drinking clubs are in Utah |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
17. I am so glad I quit drinking |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 06:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Why is it that... |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 06:38 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Why did you respond to my post? |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 10:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
34. MY GOD HORROR!! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 11:17 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Deleted message |
Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 09:07 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. So far you two are winning for the best popcorn moment! |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 01:40 PM Response to Reply #19 |
51. "On the aggregate"? |
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anotherdrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
18. I won't go to a bar that won't let me smoke, period. n/t |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 06:46 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. I think within the next 5-10 years you won't have a bar to go to |
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Thickasabrick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 06:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Or go to a "private" bar that only smoking patrons go to. I really think |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
27. Heart attacks are also down in cities with bans.. it's a good thing! n/t |
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medeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 05:23 AM Response to Original message |
36. elderly Dad has emphysema from conducting in Vegas |
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flamingpie2500 (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 06:58 AM Response to Original message |
37. People should be given choices-- |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 09:19 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. White bathrooms, black bathrooms... |
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William Bloode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 12:06 AM Response to Reply #41 |
68. That argument does not work. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 09:24 AM Response to Reply #68 |
79. Sorry but your argument doesn't work either... |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
38. This is so much fun! |
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Dulcinea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
42. Why not let the individual business owners decide? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 12:31 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. This brings up an interesting question about universal health care. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 03:41 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. This is something I also wonder about |
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Nevernose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 10:56 PM Response to Reply #50 |
61. Strikes for what? And why? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 11:17 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. I agree with you. I feel that UHC should not have strings attached. |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 08:57 AM Response to Reply #50 |
77. Just to add to the fireworks; |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 07:21 AM Response to Reply #42 |
74. And where might those smoke free places be? |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
55. My take: The smoke was there when you applied for the job... |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 06:57 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Oh wait for the employee lawsuits - bet they happen |
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lindisfarne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 10:04 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. No employer has the right to expose their employees to dangerous |
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Nevernose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 11:05 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. The health risks aren't hidden |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 11:34 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Some of you sound like Henry Frick or Andrew Carnegie |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 11:18 PM Response to Reply #55 |
64. And if it wasn't? |
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jseankil (604 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 08:16 AM Response to Reply #55 |
75. Hell, let's just roll back worker rights! |
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Nikia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
58. Never understood why people have to engage in an unhealhty habit in public |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 11:25 PM Response to Reply #58 |
66. Selfishness fueled by addiction. |
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Invidious (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 12:13 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Wow |
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lakercub (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 01:37 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. bullshit |
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jseankil (604 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 08:19 AM Response to Reply #69 |
76. You think you have a right to kill workers? |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
78. How about this: someone invent a special hood for smokers to use |
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