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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 09:18 PM
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Prensa Latina: Bush Paraguay Land Grab Incites Unease
Bush Paraguay Land Grab Incites Unease

October 17, 2006




Asuncion, Oct 17 (Prensa Latina) The land grab project of US President George W. Bush in Chaco, Paraguay, has generated considerable discomfort both politically and environmentally.
The news circulating the continent about plans to buy 98,840 acres of land in Chaco, Paraguay, near the Triple Frontier (Bolivia, Brazil, Paraguay) is the talk of the town in these countries.

Although official sources have not confirmed the information that is already public, the land is reportedly located in Paso de Patria, near Bolivian gas reserves and the Guarani indigenous water region, within the Triple Border.
Alto Paraguay Gov. Erasmo Rodriguez Acosta revealed he heard that part of the land purchase consists of an ecological reserve (Fundacion Patria), with which Bush is affiliated.

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Concern increased last week with the arrival of Bush' daughter, Jenna, and a source from the Physical Planning Department saying that most of the Chaco region belongs to private companies.
Luis D'Elia, Argentina´s undersecretary for Land for Social Habitat, says the matter raises regional concern because it threatens local natural resources.

He termed it “surprising” that the Bush family is trying to settle a few short miles from the US Mariscal Estigarribia Military Base.
Argentinean Adolfo Perez Esquivel warned that the real war will be fought not for oil, but for water, and recalled that Acuifero Guaraní is one of the largest underground water reserves in South America, running beneath Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay (larger than Texas and California together).

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Orlando Castillo, Paraguay Peace and Justice Service member, recalled the US military buildup in Chaco under a bilateral agreement.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 09:23 PM
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1. Moon is already sitting on most of that aquifer
Funny how those names get linked, isn't it?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 09:25 PM
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2. How does the government of Paraguay feel about this?
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 12:15 PM
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44. Oct 2: Parag. ends US troop immunity; Oct 2: * waives req'm't and resumes
military training.

I didn't read about this until now.

In July 2005, 400 U.S. military personnel moved into Paraguay. The move followed the government’s agreement to grant immunity to U.S. troops from prosecution for crimes committed on its soil by Paraguayan courts or by the International Criminal Court.

On Oct. 2, Paraguay announced the withdrawal of that immunity and its intention not to renew the troop agreement. Paraguay’s partners in Mercosur, the regional trade alliance, had complained about the arrangement, saying that the international Convention of Vienna only protects diplomats, not soldiers, from prosecution.

Analysts suggest that U.S. interest in the region’s oil, gas and water resources and its political concerns about Bolivia and Mercosur may have motivated the Bush administration’s attempt to establish a permanent U.S. military base in Paraguay. Such plans are now in doubt.




October 3, 2006 2:01 AM

Bush Waiver Restores Military Training

WASHINGTON (AP) - Twenty-one countries that had been denied participation in U.S. military training programs are now eligible to take part again under a presidential waiver announced Monday (October 2) by the White House.

All 21 had run afoul of the Bush administration and U.S. law by refusing to sign an agreement with the United States that would exempt Americans from prosecution by the International Criminal Court.

The administration has taken a tough line against the ICC since its creation in 2002 out of concern that Americans overseas, including military personnel, diplomats and ordinary citizens, could be subject to politically motivated ICC prosecutions.

The following countries are affected by the waiver: Barbados, Bolivia, Brazil, Costa Rica, Croatia, Ecuador, Kenya, Mali, Malta, Mexico, Namibia, Niger, Paraguay, Peru, Samoa, Serbia, South Africa, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Tanzania, Trinidad and Uruguay.

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Scores of countries have gone along with U.S. requests to exempt Americans from ICC prosecutions. Others, however, refused to bend to U.S. pressure, and the result in many countries has been a sharp decline in their military ties with the United States.

Pentagon officials have told Congress that China has been filling the vacuum created by the suspension of training programs in 12 Latin American and Caribbean countries.

Gen. Bantz Craddock, who oversees U.S. military operations in Latin America, said in Senate testimony last March that military members of all ranks in the region are receiving training in China. In addition, he said, more and more Chinese non-lethal military equipment is showing up in the region.

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It looks like * is so desperate to have his trained militias around the world to do his bidding, that he no longer cares whether any of them will be subjected to war crimes charges.

*Co. is getting very desperate, it appears.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 01:34 PM
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48. EXCELLENT info-Thanks!
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 09:10 PM
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61. Thanks, mod mom. It's all falling into place, and it ain't pretty... n/t
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 09:36 PM
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7. Have you read Robert Parry on the creepy connections between Moon and *Co?
The Moon-Bush Cash Conduit

Also Dark Side of Rev. Moon


Creepy, long-standing connections between Moon and the BFEE. Sooner or later the intentions of both will merge in plain sight.
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 03:25 PM
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52. thank you for posting those links
whenever people talk about the faux-religious overtaking of this government and country they often forget that moon is key

i still cant believe he was allowed to openly use the capitol for his bizarre ceremonies (republican sponsored of course). seantor john warners name was discovered to be attached to the granting of it but not nearly enough was covered in the corporate media
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 09:07 PM
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60. You're welcome. It all just boggles the mind. n/t
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 09:46 PM
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9. Oh no. Now I've really got the creeps. These guys are just taking it all
Habeas Corpus gone, gun boats on the border Great Lakes and the new high tech border security coming. We've got a police state coming folks.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 01:29 PM
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67. What's even creepier
is that all of it is happening so fast. :scared:
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 09:51 PM
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10. If you control water, you control PEOPLE
Can't live without it...hello, hello this is MOON & BUSHCO DOING THE WORLD DOMINATION THING....ANYBODY PAYING ATTENTION?
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wholetruth00 Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 08:15 AM
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36. This stuff is worthy of a Lou Dobbs moment. Some really scary
stuff. Is Bush planning on setting up his own country using our tax dollars to pay for military protection? K&R and should be made a part of the national news. Keith, Lou, Katie...where are you?
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 09:25 PM
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3. The U.S. does have an extradition treaty with Paraguay, but
if they can repeal habeas corpus in the U.S., how hard will it be to change Paraguayan law?

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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 09:31 PM
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6. The extradition treaty exempts politicians. eom
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 04:15 PM
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54. Are the Bushes aware that we can DRIVE there? LOL
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 09:59 PM
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14. There is no law in Paraguay. there may be on the books, but not in practic
practice.
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wholetruth00 Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 08:10 AM
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35. There may be no law, but there sure are people.
I don't understand how S.American leaders would let Bush get away with this.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 11:23 AM
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40. Paraguay is different from other countries. It is tiny and very poor.
It has only one city, filled with huge mansions and poverty. You have to watch your passport carefully because people will steal it to sell. it is very much like being in the wild west one hundred years ago. I was there, and in trouble and went to the American embassy for help. They said "we'll register you in case you disappear". That is Paraguay.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 09:28 PM
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4. "ecological reserve"?........Not for long, I would venture..
Look for massive clear cutting when the fucking chimp gets a hold of it.

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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 10:00 PM
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15. Gotta have brush to clear
Must clear brush.........
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 10:16 PM
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18. Well, yeah....and you need a place to put the missle launch sites etc
And don't forget the underground bunker so uncle Dick will feel at home when he visits.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 04:16 PM
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55. "got wood?"
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 09:29 PM
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5. Un fucking real...this really creeps me out.
The Bushes are preparing to bail and
leave the entire country in "Katrina'd" condition.
BHN
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 11:00 PM
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22. Would you rather them stay??!
Not meeeeeee.......!
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Copperred Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 06:18 AM
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30. EXACTLY... CAN U IMAGINE THE SIGNIFANCE OF OUR "PRESIDENT" HAVING TO SEEK

EXILE........
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 09:39 PM
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8. I just knew it. How could a person not know on learning three
Edited on Tue Oct-17-06 09:46 PM by higher class
things:

1. Rev Moon bought millions of acres. They are next door neighbors or are neighbors down the road? Moon, who helped North Korea set up a nuclear system, who is a cult leader, who buys in the nuclear market from atrocious amounts of money collected from cult followers?, and who consider himself King of all Christianity. is the Bush Dynasty neighbor.

2. The U.S. got the President of Paraguay to OK a military base under the guise of controlling terrorists crossing between Brazil and Argentina. That's what it said in an article where the U.S. is defending itself?

Cost? Resources? Source of funding (did it pass through Congress?)

3. Water. PRecious water. In an adjacen1. country, Bolivia, Bechtel tried to takeover ownership of the water - from right under the feet of the indigensous people. High rates. The fought it. (I'm not sure of the legal status - can someone fill in?)

Now, we learn there is gas?

The only thing the Dynasty doesn't have is ocean access.

Anyone doubt the Rev Moon - Bush partnership?

Very, very ugly. Very, very suspicious. Very, very dangerous - for all the citizens of the Americas.

Will the next thing we learn be a leak that we are building missile defenses all around Paraguay? Or a fence?

Just like the Nazis? Excape to south South America? Or is it just one more step in owning the people by owning the earth resources?

How many of our kids will be called to protect him? Or will it be all Spanish and Portuguese Blackwell employees, paid from the Bush and Moon combined spoils.

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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 09:57 PM
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13. Yours was a serious post.
I was thinking that maybe Bush & Moon believe the rotational poles of the earth will shift and they'll be well positioned after 2012....
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 10:27 PM
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19. 'Moon, who helped North Korea set up a nuclear system....'
Edited on Tue Oct-17-06 10:29 PM by seafan
Moon, who helped North Korea set up a nuclear system,...

This shines a new light on why * is not particularly interested in dealing effectively with North Korea, doesn't it?



But, yet, * insisted just this week that 'when he came into office, he *discovered* that N. Korea was violating the agreements to allow nuclear inspectors to supervise NK's activities...' cynically implying that it *happened on Clinton's watch.* Well, this piece below blows that lie out of the water.


3 April, 2002

BBC

The US Government has announced that it will release $95m to North Korea as part of an agreement to replace the Stalinist country's own nuclear programme, which the US suspected was being misused.

Under the 1994 Agreed Framework an international consortium is building two proliferation-proof nuclear reactors and providing fuel oil for North Korea while the reactors are being built.

In releasing the funding, President George W Bush waived the Framework's requirement that North Korea allow inspectors to ensure it has not hidden away any weapons-grade plutonium from the original reactors.

President Bush argued that the decision was "vital to the national security interests of the United States".



(Hat tip to NNN0LHI from a few days ago for finding this article.)
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 07:35 AM
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31. your post just had me do a double take. How weird is it a thread about
Bush buying huge amounts of land in Paraquay turns into a discussion about North Korea and nukes.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:53 AM
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39. Did you see Robert Parry's piece , "Moon, North Korea & the Bushes"?
Moon, North Korea & the Bushes

The Rev. Sun Myung Moon's business empire, which includes the right-wing Washington Times, paid millions of dollars to North Korea's communist leaders in the early 1990s when the hard-line government needed foreign currency to finance its weapons programs, according to U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency documents.
The payments included a $3 million “birthday present” to current communist leader Kim Jong Il and offshore payments amounting to “several tens of million dollars” to the previous communist dictator, Kim Il Sung, the documents said.

Moon apparently was seeking a business foothold in North Korea, but the transactions also raised potential legal questions for Moon, who appears to have defied U.S. embargos on trade and financial relations with the Pyongyang government. Those legal questions were never pursued, however, apparently because of Moon's powerful political connections within the Republican power structure of Washington, including financial and political ties to the Bush family.

Besides making alleged payments to North Korea’s communist leaders, the 86-year-old founder of the South Korean-based Unification Church has funneled large sums of money, possibly millions of dollars, to former President George H.W. Bush.
One well-placed former leader of Moon’s Unification Church told me that the total earmarked for former President Bush was $10 million. The father of the current U.S. President has declined to say how much Moon’s organization actually paid him for speeches and other services in Asia, the United States and South America.

At one Moon-sponsored speech in Argentina in 1996, Bush declared, “I want to salute Reverend Moon,” whom Bush praised as “the man with the vision.”
Bush made these speeches at a time when Moon was expressing intensely anti-American views. In his own speeches, Moon termed the United States “Satan’s harvest” and claimed that American women descended from a “line of prostitutes.”

During the pivotal presidential campaign in 2000, Moon’s Washington Times alsoattacked the Clinton-Gore administration for failing to take more aggressive steps to block North Korea’s military research and development. The newspaper called the Clinton-Gore administration’s decisions an “abdication of responsibility for national security.”

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And another blast from the past:



Nov 25, 1996 EST

BUENOS AIRES
(Reuters) -

The South Korean evangelist Sun Myung Moon launched a new Spanish-language newspaper for the whole of Latin America this weekend, with the backing of guest George Bush who praised Moon's respect for editorial independence. The former U.S. president, guest speaker at a banquet Saturday to launch Moon's new publication ``Tiempos del Politics Mundo'' (Times of the World), was full of praise for the controversial evangelist's best-known newspaper, the Washington Times, and referred to Moon as ``the man with the vision.'' Bush then travelled with Moon to neighboring Uruguay Sunday to help him inaugurate a seminary in the capital Montevideo to train 4,200 young Japanese women to spread the word of his Church of Unification across Latin America.

Moon already owns a major newspaper, bank and hotel in Uruguay and is buying up land in the Argentine province of Corrientes, where he plans to construct what his followers call ``ideal cities''.

``I want to salute Reverend Moon who is the founder of the Washington Times and of the new paper here,'' said Bush, who was reported by the Washington Post to have been paid $100,000 for his Buenos Aires appearance.

``A lot of my friends in South America don't know about the Washington Times but it is an independent voice,'' said Bush. ''The editors of the Washington Times tell me that never once has the man with the vision interfered with the running of the paper, a paper that in my view brings sanity to Washington DC.''

``I am convinced that Tiempos del Mundo is going to do the same thing,'' said Bush, who managed to avoid being photographed with the 76-year-old South Korean evangelist during his whole stay in Buenos Aires.




Bad moon rising in Paraguay, illuminates bushes.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 12:11 PM
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43. Ceremony at the Dirksen Senate Office Bldg...
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 12:26 PM
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45. And here is the article explaining how this went down. Unbelievable.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04179/337795.stm">A Moon for the misbegotten

By Dennis Roddy
June 27, 2004


The Rev. Sun Myung Moon's self-coronation at the Dirksen Senate Office Building before a dozen members of Congress provides a window into the doings of a cult leader with a criminal record who is steadily buying his way into the mainstream of political life.

Billed as an awards ceremony organized by the Interreligious and International Federation for World Peace, the widely ignored March 23 gathering began unremarkably. Members of Congress, like Roscoe Bartlett, R-Md., were handed "crown of peace" awards. U.S. Rep. Curt Weldon, R-Pa., gave a speech about his official visit to Libya.

Then, in an exquisitely bizarre finale, U.S. Rep. Danny Davis, D-Ill., carried a bejeweled crown to the front of the room. Moon and his wife donned crowns and robes and Moon told the crowd of doings in the spirit world where Marx, Lenin, Hitler and Stalin have learned from him.

"They have declared to all Heaven and Earth that Rev. Sun Myung Moon is none other than humanity's Savior, Messiah, Returning Lord and True Parent," Moon beamed. "This resolution has been announced on every corner of the globe."

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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 09:54 PM
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11. The Bush Family had us pay for a military base for them.
We are paying for the weapons and the defense they could and will attempt to use against us, the American citizen.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 10:49 PM
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21. U. S. military operating inside Paraguay, reported in 2005
What is the U.S. Military Doing in Paraguay?

By Benjamin Dangl
8/01/05


The U.S. military is conducting secretive operations in Paraguay and reportedly building a new base there. Human rights groups and military analysts in the region believe trouble is brewing. However, the U.S. embassy in Paraguay denies the base exists and describes the military activity as routine. According to an article in the Bolivian newspaper, El Deber, a U.S. base is being developed in Mariscal Estigarribia, Paraguay, 200 kilometers from the border with Bolivia. The base will permit the landing of large aircraft and is capable of housing up to 16,000 troops. A contingent of 500 U.S. troops arrived in Paraguay on July 1st with planes, weapons, equipment and ammunition. (1)

With Bolivia’s recent uprisings, their enormous gas reserves, and a presidential election on the way, this questionable activity could pave the way for a U.S. intervention. Rumors of Al Qaeda training grounds near Paraguay may also work to the Bush administration’s advantage as it makes a case for military operations in the region.

On May 26, 2005 the Paraguayan senate approved the entrance of the troops, granting them total immunity, free from Paraguayan and International Criminal Court jurisdiction. The legislature is due to expire in December 2006, but is automatically extendable. Since December 2004, the U.S. has been pressuring Peru, Ecuador, Venezuela and Paraguay into signing a deal which would grant immunity to U.S. military. The Bush administration threatened to deny the countries up to $24.5 million in economic and military aid if they refused to sign the deal. Paraguay was the only country to accept the offer. (2)

A statement issued from the U.S. embassy in Paraguay explained that the military exercises in question involve humanitarian and medical assistance to poor communities as well as military training. The embassy maintained that the U.S. has “absolutely no intention of establishing a military base anywhere in Paraguay” and “has no intention to station soldiers for a lengthy period in Paraguay.” (3)
The Pentagon used this same rhetoric when describing its actions in Manta, Ecuador, now the home of an $80 million U.S. military base. First they said the facility was an archaic “dirt strip” which would be used for weather monitoring and would not permanently house U.S. personnel. Days later, the Pentagon stated that Manta was to serve as a major military base tasked with a variety of security-related missions. Human rights groups have linked the U.S. base in Manta to the 2002 coup against Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez. (4)

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Servicio Paz y Justicia (SERPAJ), a human rights group in the country, warned that the terms of the deal struck between the U.S. and Paraguay are “very dangerous to us, especially taking into account that it was U.S. soldiers who taught torture and other forms of human rights violations in courses at the School of the Americas under the National Security Doctrine." (6)

Orlando Castillo of SERPAJ stated, “The U.S. has strong aspirations to convert Paraguay into another Panama for their troops, and they’re not far from controlling the southern cone and extending the war in Colombia.” A U.S. military base operated in Panama for nearly 90 years. (7)


(much more)


While the * gang has intentionally created so much global chaos to distract everyone, they are quickly and secretly establishing another front in Paraguay for a base of multiple operations, and likely funded by Moon, money laundering and massive drug profits.

Congress and its "control of the purse strings", laughably, are truly a moot point in *Co's vision of empire.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 09:55 PM
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12. K & R, this story is reappearing over the last few days. The more the
attention, the better.

:kick:

MKJ
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 10:02 PM
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16. Plan B - they need a place to run to
Edited on Tue Oct-17-06 10:04 PM by teryang
He just absolved himself of torture but things may not turn out so well, they know they are pulling crap out of their butts to cover up one crime after another.

When one abandons the rule of law, you can't depend on anything.

Has anyone noticed that many investment newsletters are now recommending the purchase of South American residences and life in South America as superior to life in the US.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 10:30 PM
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20. They mean to control all the resources. They control the largest gold mine
They are after the water. They are after the ME oil, which they plan to take no matter what you or I want. They are the ultimate survivalists.

Wonder what they will do to us. Poppy and that vile murderer Kissinger used to seriously discuss plans for reducing the world's population by introducing viruses to decimate large numbers of people in a short amount of time.
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IntiRaymi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 11:28 PM
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23. I believe it.
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diamidue Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 12:09 PM
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42. "THEY"
I think it is time to start researching exactly who "They" are - all the secretive power groups behind the scenes - and publish the names and faces of these people. Photograph them. Expose them. Follow them around.

There are so many more of US than THEM. We just need to identify the enemies and wake people up.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 05:40 PM
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57. I read somewhere on a highly exclusive Libertarian website...
that Russia has been secretly turning out nuclear warheads in the Ural mountains, and when the time is right Bush will signal to have the US attacked. This sounded incredibly preposterous at the time, but if the BFEE relocates to Paraguay...
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 12:40 PM
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47. hmm
Wasn't it in the famous PNAC "Rebuilding" document where it was mentioned that viruses targeting specific genomes would be transformed from a tool of terrorists into something politically useful?

:scared:
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 04:19 PM
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56. He just claimed SPACE today...maybe the Paraguay deal ain't working out.
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Nolo_Contendre Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 10:07 PM
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17. The Looting of America, noone could foresee this happening!
Chortle, ^snicker^, *cough, cough^...
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 12:10 AM
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24. Still seems to me to be an oil move. Launch an attack on Venezuela
from inside the heart of South America.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 06:05 AM
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28. But they'd have to go through Brazil....
Across a few mountains & the Amazon river.

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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 08:10 AM
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34. I'm just thinking of motive, not logistics. Being on the continent may be
a safe launching ground? Logically there is probably another reason,but you been able to understand the reasons for any move of *co other than oil?
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 03:47 PM
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53. If there's oil under there, certainly, but I think it's a hideout.
I think they intend to bug out and seek safety in their own little safe-house compound deep in the jungles and mountains of a remote area of Paraguay, where there's an aquifer and a lot of nice little geographic impediments to anybody being able to get to them quickly. You'd need an army and/or a very expensive expedition to get there, planes, trains, and automobiles as it were. And LOTS of people, since there's a US military base nearby and the two ex-presidents would have lots of strings to pull on the base occupants to come to their defense.

A risky matter, because Paraguay and other South American enclaves have proven to be great hideouts for Nazi war criminals and torturers and other assorted human vermin in the past. And nobody in the various Paraguayan government structures seemed to care too much, perhaps as long as the nice "gratuities" and other considerations kept coming. But they also have revolutionary activities down there, along with a noticeable deterioration of good feelings toward America. Especially since neighboring Venezuela can still remember bush's recent attempts to overthrow Chavez - an unpleasant memory to be sure.
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diamidue Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 08:34 PM
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59. They could lease the land
to any group of mercenary, right-wing, drugdealing, gawdawful people they choose. Bush doesn't even know how to farm and he doesn't need all that land for himself. Personally, I think he bought it for the water/gas rights & has no intention of ever setting foot there.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 01:20 AM
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25. This makes me very uneasy too...
and also makes me wonder how the american public would react if this story was on the evening news and the talking heads were discussing it...
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:00 AM
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26. Bush's new hideaway and I noticed Jenna is in South America
too...It looks like Bush is going to flee the country... and become a Water man... I find it amazing that a country would pay an individual for water it should be eminent domain...
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 08:33 PM
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58. Last I heard here on DU,
she was working for UNICEF in Panama. Makes me not want to support UNICEF.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 06:14 PM
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70. did she make a stop in Paraguay?
under normal circumstances, it might seem nothing special ... under land buying circumstances, it, at least, make one wonder why she's flying under the guise of UNICEF ...

maybe she is now a BFEE envoy ... had to deliver some legal papers re the property ???

this was written October 10th
http://www.political-news.org/breaking/30411/jenna-bush-in-paraguay-for-unicef-plan.html


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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 05:57 AM
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27. All his life, Bush has made messes and walked away from them....
letting others clean it up.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:33 PM
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50. yup/nt
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 06:12 AM
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29. K & R
Yesterday's tinfoil is now a carpet of gold.

:freak:
dbt
Remember New Orleans

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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 07:52 AM
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32. No wonder Bush doesn't like Chavez. It sounds like Latin Americans who
talk about how their own countries should be the first beneficiaries of their own natural resources are directly threatening Bush's private business interests.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 08:04 AM
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33. Kick!
I think this story's hugely important.

georgie may be setting up to make a run for it, so that when he's out of office, he leaves the country, sets up shop in this nice military-protected compound surrounded by lots of land, water, other strategic resources, and plenty of guards, plus jungle, mountains, and other natural barriers. Then, he presumably can't be touched. I bet the whole family is making plans to "relocate."
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 08:29 AM
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37. I don't know where this is headed, but..
The people of Paraguay had better start asking some serious questions about their own sovereignty.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 08:49 AM
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38. So is he going to head there before he starts the nuke war or
Edited on Wed Oct-18-06 08:51 AM by superconnected
only if he's outsted if we take back the US after he refuses to give up power?

And yeah, it might be his plan B in case the dems control congress and he has to flee war-crime prosecution.

I think we should be looking for ken lay in Bush's neighborhood.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 01:40 PM
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49. Wouldn't surprise me. Sounds like there's plenty of room on that -
what? Ninety-eight THOUSAND acres? Plenty of room for his cronies to hide out, too.

I think they're afraid, for one reason or other, that Hell-to-Pay time is coming, and they better get outta Dodge before the dam breaks and the peasants storm the Bastille. It will be strategically helpful if you're simply hard to get to, geographically. That will be a most effective deterrence to most of the people who'd want to come after them seeking justice. Unless, of course, the Paraguayans themselves stage some sort of popular revolt.
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 11:52 AM
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41. This story still sounds fishy
The style and the dropping of weird details, like Jenna showing up. Why would Jenna be involved? This whole thing is just a tad "off."
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 12:29 PM
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46. Nope, right here on Yahoo. You can google this stuff yourself you know.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 03:22 PM
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68. Yeah as if they care about the poor
and the poor children in Paraguay. What a fucking joke.
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 04:10 PM
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69. Kids do grow up I guess...
Edited on Fri Oct-20-06 04:11 PM by arikara
Local news media reported that Jenna Bush arrived Saturday in the Paraguayan capital of Asuncion on a commercial flight, then dined Sunday evening with Paraguayan President Nicanor Duarte and his family at their official residence. She also met with U.S. Ambassador James Cason.

Other reports said that Jenna was going to "observe" several indigenous villages that are located on the property, whatever the hell that means. At any rate, it looks like Jenna has officially all grown up and joined the family business.

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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:56 PM
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51. "Concern increased last week with the arrival of Bush' daughter, Jenna..."
Scouting the bar scene, eh, Jenna?

PS Why aren't you in Iraq like this little girl?


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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 09:31 PM
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62. K & R
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:23 AM
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63. BUSH REPORTED TO HAVE PURCHASED 99,000 ACRES IN PARAGUAY
BUSH REPORTED TO HAVE PURCHASED 99,000 ACRES IN PARAGUAY

Why might the president and his family need a 98,840-acre ranch in Paraguay protected by a semi-secret U.S. military base manned by American troops who have been exempted from war-crimes prosecution by the Paraguayan government? - Wonkette

PRENSA LATINA - The land grab project of US President George W. Bush in Chaco, Paraguay, has generated considerable discomfort both politically and environmentally. The news circulating the continent about plans to buy 98,840 acres of land in Chaco, Paraguay, near the Triple Frontier (Bolivia, Brazil, Paraguay) is the talk of the town in these countries.

Although official sources have not confirmed the information that is already public, the land is reportedly located in Paso de Patria, near Bolivian gas reserves and the Guarani indigenous water region, within the Triple Border. . .

Concern increased last week with the arrival of Bush" daughter, Jenna, and a source from the Physical Planning Department saying that most of the Chaco region belongs to private companies.

Luis D'Elia, Argentina´s undersecretary for Land for Social Habitat, says the matter raises regional concern because it threatens local natural resources.
(snip)

Argentinean journalists who got a peek at the place say the airfield can handle B-52 bombers and Galaxy C-5 cargo planes. It also has a huge radar system, vast hangers, and can house up to 16,000 troops. The air base is larger than the international airport at the capital city, Asuncion.
(snip/)

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0610/S00308.htm



Mariscal Estigarribia airbase
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 01:12 PM
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64. Where else does BFEE hold property?
This could be just for oil or water, not necessarily as a hidey-hole if he's got other ones.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 01:22 PM
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65. Well, still inside the U.S., the older Bush owns a compound in one of
the Florida Keys. I've heard it's large enough that it dominates the little island.

I've heard Preston Bush, the grandfather used to have holdings in Cuba. It could be that's what they've been working on, trying to pave the way to invading Cuba and claiming a bunch of the Cuban people's land for themselves.

Dubya has been threatening Cuba from the very first day he was in office. His father has been deeply involved with the Cuban "exile" (pro-Batista) group in South Florida from before the Bay of Pigs.
I have no doubt it's in their plans to take over when they think they've got the power. That would provide them with another off-shore base, just like the one the old U.S. Mafia enjoyed until 1959.

With Dubya's overwhelming self-interest and mistrust of others, he wouldn't go anywhere where he couldn't count on having a HORRENDOUS security advantage. Sounds as if everything is in place in Paraguay for his ultimate security.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 01:26 PM
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66. Can't they keep their tentacles
out of anywhere???
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