BBC LBN Nine US Soldiers Killed in Iraq

[jannyk]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6061488.stm

[brettdale]

1. I hate war.

That is just too sad, its sickening.

[wholetruth00]

33. I've been on the line with Washington Journal to give this news

Can't get through. Can anyone else get through?

[brettdale]

2. where is the US Media?

where is the US Media?

[Skittles]

3. on CNN it is that pervert John Karr, all the time

like there are no pressing issues to address

[brettdale]

4. But hey Cheney told rush

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/17/cheney-rush/

Cheney then pointed to various news items to paint a positive picture of conditions in Iraq and concluded, “If you look at the general overall situation, they’re doing remarkably well.”

[theHandpuppet]

14. Where indeed?

Probably busy reporting Bush's destruction of habeas corpus as simply the "President's Anti-Terrorism Bill", as did my local TV news station yesterday. Shame on you, NBC4 out of Washington, D.C. I expected better from you.

[saigon68]

5. "BRING EM ON" shouted the AWOL CHIMPANZEE

http://www.dw-world.de/image/0,,1480641_4,00.jpg

[Bhaisahab]

6. CNN (International) is reporting 10 US dead

Ten U.S. troops killed in Iraq

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- In a deadly day of violence, 10 U.S. service members died in Iraq on Tuesday, the U.S. Military said Wednesday.

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/18/iraq.main/index.html

[malaise]

9. BBC this morning said ten today not Tuesday

So that's five Monday, 10 yesterday and nine so far today. I want more details about that explosion last week. Something is wrong with this sudden increase in numbers. I hope parents start asking about their children.

[bemildred]

16. Yep, I still want to know about FOB Falcon. nt

[Xipe Totec]

7. US Deaths in Vietnam and Iraq by Month

Compared to Vietnam, we've already lost more soldiers in Iraq for the equivalent time period.



This is the time to cut out losses, not after the peak. This is the lesson we must draw from Vietnam.

http://www.lies.com/wp/2003/10/20/us-deaths-in-vietnam-and-iraq-by-month/

[alcibiades_mystery]

10. Bullshit

We never had anywhere close to 140,000 troops in RVN until mid-summer 1965, meaning that chart should begin at year 4.

Figures lie. And liars figure.

US troop deaths in Vietnam were at a higher number throughout the war when we had comparable numbers of troops involved. This war is bad enough. We don't need to make up bullshit lies in order to damn it.

[Massachusetts]

11. Figures lie. And liars figure

Ain't that the truth!

[Xipe Totec]

12. Thank you for your well researched reply

I'll contact the Vietnam Memorial and tell them to delete from the wall all names prior to 1965.






I rest easy knowing I can rely on you to teach me history.

http://www.nps.gov/archive/vive/memorial/wall.htm

[alcibiades_mystery]

18. Nice deflection

Obviously, I never claimed that people weren't killed in Vietnam prior to the arrival of officially designated combvat units in March 1965. That would be absurd, which is, of course, why you dishonestly attribute that position to me. It seems clear that you cannot deal honestly with my REAL position, which is that the two time periods in question aren't comparable because the NUMBER of troops in country during the first three years of each conflict was not comparable. Until March 1965, the US had anywhere from 15,000-20,000 personnel in the RVN, most in an advisory positions. The Marine landing at DaNang in March 1965 added 3,500 combat troops (ostensibly to guard the air bases used in Rolling Thunder), and this quickly increased with deployments of the 4th ID and 1st Air Cavalry through that summer. By December 1965, there were 180,000 troops in country. Just as an additional note, by the time we were at 140,000 troops, we had already seen one of the major conventional engagements of the war (Ia Drang Valley campaign of November 1965 - in which upwards of 200 troops were killed in two days of fighting). When we see something like that in Iraq, let me know. Even the bloody battles of Fallujah and Najaf come nowhere close to that fighting in terms of losses. Here's what your own source has to say about that (being much more honest than your context-less presentation here):

Note: I’m completely aware that this comparison is not normalized for number of US troops present in each conflict. This is not a comparison of death rate per unit of troop strength, and it doesn’t claim to be. If you want that, you’ll have to make a different graph. see US Deaths in Vietnam and Iraq by Month

But if it is NOT "normalized for number of US troops present in each conflict," (as your own source admits!) then it really tells us nothing at all.

[xchrom]

8. mission accomplished for these soldiers.

[jefferson_dem]

13. Violence in Iraq Kills 10 U.S. Soldiers

Violence in Iraq Kills 10 U.S. Soldiers

By Ellen Knickmeyer
Washington Post Foreign Service
Wednesday, October 18, 2006; 5:48 AM

BAGHDAD, Oct. 18-Ten U.S. soldiers were killed in Iraq on Tuesday, one of the bloodiest days of the war for American forces outside of major combat operations.

The toll included four soldiers killed by a single bomb in Baghdad, and another soldier killed by small-arms fire in the Iraqi capital, the U.S. military said.

North of Baghdad, a soldier was killed when the vehicle he was riding in was struck by an improvised-explosive device, the military said.

Three soldiers died in the northern province of Diyala and one Marine in the western province of Anbar. The U.S. military gave no details of those deaths, saying only that they came in "enemy action.''

<SNIP>

October is on track to become one of the deadliest of the conflict for U.S. soldiers, with at least 60 soldiers killed so far this month. More than 2,700 American troops and Defense Department employees have died since the war began 3 1/2 years ago.

<SNIP>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/18/AR2006101800239_pf.html

[bronxiteforever]

15. And Dick Cheney laughed -the rule is

Always for the war but never in it-

"Cheney was of military age and a supporter of the Vietnam War but he did not serve in the war, applying for and receiving five draft deferments. On May 19, 1965, Cheney was classified as 1-A , "available for service" by the Selective Service. On October 26, 1965 the Selective Service lifted the constraints on drafting childless married men. Cheney and his wife then had a child after which he applied for and received, a reclassification of 3-A, gaining him a final draft deferment.

In an interview with George C. Wilson that appeared in the April 5, 1989 issue of The Washington Post, when asked about his deferments the future Defense Secretary said, "I had other priorities in the '60s than military service." -from Wikipedia

[Olney Blue]

17. Are you happy with the progress, Mr. Bush?

[rodeodance]

19. Ten U.S. troops killed in Iraq (on Tues. 65 for October) CNN

Ten U.S. troops killed in Iraq

POSTED: 5:45 a.m. EDT, October 18, 2006


BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- In a deadly day of violence, 10 U.S. service members died in Iraq on Tuesday, the U.S. Military said Wednesday.

Four Multi-National Division-Baghdad soldiers were killed in a roadside bomb attack west of Baghdad Tuesday at about 6:50 a.m.

Less than three hours later, another Multi-National Division-Baghdad soldier died after his patrol was hit with small-arms fire in northern Baghdad.

Tuesday afternoon, a sixth Multi-National Division-Baghdad soldier was killed at about 1:10 p.m. when his vehicle was hit by an improvised-explosive device, also north of the capital.

..........
As of Wednesday, the U.S. military death toll stood at 65 for October and 600 for the entirety of 2006. Since the start of the war, the U.S. military has suffered 2,773 fatalities in Iraq. Seven American civilian contractors of the military also have died in the conflict.
Dozens dead in Balad strife

Four days of persistent violence, mainly between Sunni and Shiite Muslims, has left dozens of people dead in the northern Iraqi city of Balad.

.......
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/18/iraq.main/index.html

[rodeodance]

20. yahoo front page coverage says :

http://news.yahoo.com/

9 U.S. troops killed in Iraq bombings
Iraqis walk past a car bomb wreck in Baghdad, Iraq, Wednesday Oct. 18, 2006. A parked car bomb blast wounded seven bystanders in Baghdad's central Alwiya district. (AP Photo/Samir Mizban)
Enlarge Photo
AP
AP - 25 minutes ago

BAGHDAD, Iraq - The U.S. military reported Wednesday that nine American troops had been killed in bombings and combat, raising to 67 the number of U.S. troops killed in October.

* Slideshow: Iraq
* Video: Out of control in Iraq CNN

Related Coverage

* U.S. military too strong to lose Iraq war: Rumsfeld Reuters
* U.S. military deaths in Iraq hit 2,775 AP
* Full Coverage: Iraq

[Earth_First]

21. How does anyone associated with this sleep at night?

Answer: on 800-count french cotton linen.

While our soldiers toil night and day in the dust of Iraq and Afghanistan, the aristocracy wines, dines and affords their lifestyle at the expense of others.

One can only hope that 2006 will welcome a change in Washington and get our men and women out of this mess and repair the war-torn country that we have devastated.

[democrank]

22. It`s beyond sickening and

beyond shameful.

[qanda]

23. Oh Lord please stop this madness

My heart went to my stomach when I saw this.

[Binka]

24. I Get Nauseas Every Death

Ben's unit is going back in March 07 and he is being pressured to go back. He is too strong and healthy for his own good. He promised me when he got wounded he would not go back but when his best friend was killed two weeks before he was to come home something snapped in Ben. I am a wreck because I know in my heart if he goes back...I can't say the words....

My Beautiful Kid

[Lochloosa]

29. I know this may not be the right thing to say Binka.....

but BREAK HIS FUCKING LEG.

That will keep him home.

Kidding.

[Binka]

35. I Live In Sicily I'm Sure I Could Find Somebody

To make a trip to the states for me...just sayin'. Seriously if he goes back I will go insane.

[qanda]

30. I remember reading about the agony you had when he went there

and was wounded. I hope and pray he doesn't go back. I know my heart, as a mother, wouldn't be able to take it. (((Binka)))

[Bigmack]

38. Binka... I made it home...

from a war a thousand years ago.

You've got to believe Ben will make it home, too. Ben will make a life for himself after this.

Tell your young Marine that his picture brought tears to the eyes of an old Marine. He looks so damn young. Tell him not to volunteer and to keep his head down.

[Binka]

39. Thanks Mack It's All These High Death Numbers That Make Me Crazy

I appreciate your kind thoughts.:hug:

[Buzz Clik]

25. No names? No tribute? Just marking down the numbers.

[rodeodance]

26. "with an average of three Americans dying every day, " BBC

Iraq attacks kill 10 US soldiers
The United States military in Iraq says a marine and nine soldiers have been killed in Iraq, including four in a roadside bombing near Baghdad.

The blast struck the soldiers' vehicle as they travelled west of the capital.

Three more were killed in the restive Diyala province, north of Baghdad. The three others died in separate attacks.

The deaths come as US-led forces in Iraq experience a surge in casualties in insurgency attacks; more than 60 US troops have been killed this month.

The BBC's Andrew North in Baghdad says that, with an average of three Americans dying every day, this is one of the highest casualty rates sustained by US troops since January 2005.

The US military gave no further details about the deaths in Diyala, apart from saying they occurred during operations in the province.

All the fatalities happened on Tuesday. The US military usually announces deaths the following day.
.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6061488.stm

[rodeodance]

27. 6 am NBC news TV actually said---no US casulties" when giving the Irag

story.!

[Vinca]

28. This has got to stop. Damn. nt

[Canuckistanian]

31. I wonder...

I'm still thinking about the ammo dump blast and the virtual news blackout about any possible deaths or caualties caused by the blast.

Someone mentioned that Iraqi sources say a dozen or more actually died there.

Are today's figures actually just a partial count of those deaths from the ammo dump? Are they releasing the the deaths little by little?

[bluestateguy]

32. Hypothesis

I'm starting to think that maybe a lot of soldiers were killed at that munitions depot explosion a few days ago. And now the military is just spreading out the casualty reports to minimize the incident.

[alcibiades_mystery]

34. Correction:

Untestable hypothesis.

The worst kind.

[bluestateguy]

37. Oh, I think it's testable

But I see your point. There might be a little "data collection" problem there.

[stanwyck]

36. My co-worker's take on this

"It's a war. People die."
Amazing how blithe people can be when it's so theoretical.
Not so for me. My son goes back for his third tour in January.
I'm not agreeable to the "It's a war, people die" philosophy that rightwingers, safe at home, so freely expouse.
Cheney had what, five deferments?
I think underneath that smirking mask, he knows the reality. And that's why he scrambled away from service in Viet Nam. Which is fine, I can understand not wanting to serve in Viet Nam. Except now he, and so many other rightwingers, swagger around like warriors.
I find this behavior despicable and totally amoral.

[lebkuchen]

40. I had an army spouse tell me today...

when I said that the US might get its first female Speaker and third in line to the WH, "That's nice, but we always vote republican."

[tabasco]

41. BUSH has the blood on his hands !

He lied us into war.