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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 08:25 PM
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Pressure builds for policy shift, but Bush shows no signs of budging
Pressure builds for policy shift, but Bush shows no signs of budging

By Ron Hutcheson and Nancy A. Youssef
October 20, 2006


WASHINGTON - Appalled by spiraling violence in Iraq and frustrated by Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki's failure to quell it, American officials are grasping for new ways to keep the conflict from spinning out of control.
But President Bush has given no indication that he's ready to make dramatic changes in his Iraq policy, which has come to define his presidency and dominate next month's congressional elections. If anything, the president's public comments and those of his senior aides suggest that he's more determined than ever to stay the course.
--snip
"Our goal in Iraq is clear and it's unchanging: a country that can sustain itself, a country that can govern itself, a country that can defend itself, and a country which will be an ally in the war against these extremists," Bush said Friday at a Republican fundraiser.

White House spokesman Tony Snow said Friday that Bush has rejected two of the most frequently mentioned options: a phased U.S. withdrawal or a partition that would divide Iraq into Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish regions. He said that Bush is open to changes in tactics that could help achieve his goals, but won't consider any deviation from his core strategy.
"Leaving is not going to work, and partition is simply off the table," Snow said. "The strategy's going to be the same, which is an Iraq that can sustain, govern and defend itself."
That leaves senior American officials and commanders in Iraq in a tough place. They've acknowledged that the current approach isn't working, and that they're looking for an alternative. But the decision ultimately is the president's.

Lawmakers in both parties agree that Bush will face more pressure to change course if Republicans lose control of Congress next month.
Calls for change by the independent Iraq Study Group, headed by former Secretary of State James Baker, a Bush family friend, might sway the president. Baker, who's said that the group won't release its findings until after the Nov. 7 elections, has pledged to consider all options, but Snow already has made it clear that Bush won't be bound by the group's advice.
"This is something you listen to seriously, but we are not going to outsource the business of handling the war in Iraq," he said. "The president is the commander-in-chief. And simply because you have a blue ribbon panel, it does not mean that he hands it off to them."

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Asked if he thought that staying the course remains an option, Armitage replied: "If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result, then clearly it isn't. The problem is that you can change tactics in an hour, but it takes time to change strategy, and it's too late for that now."
One senior official said advocates of change have mounted a "low-wattage mutiny" to try to convince Bush to try a new approach.

So far, though, it seems to have had little impact on the president.

"All these proposals have one thing in common: they would have our country quit in Iraq before the job is done," Bush said on Thursday at another Republican fundraiser, after summing up the various options offered by his critics. "America will stay, we will fight, and we will win in Iraq."





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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 08:27 PM
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1. his steadfast approach should haunt him during Impeachment proceedings
Edited on Fri Oct-20-06 08:28 PM by orpupilofnature57
his blind eye ,deaf ear has cost this country dearly.
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eagler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 08:30 PM
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2. Impeachment is the only answer
nt
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 08:33 PM
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3. It's the only message the world will hear ,He isn't u.s.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 08:39 PM
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5. It isn't going to happen. And even if it did...
He would just be replaced by another puppet.
The congress is criminal and complicit.
There are no longer any check and balances
as established by the founding fathers.
The MIC and corporatists now control the world.
This is not good news for anyone.
But this, is the reality we are facing.
We have no media, we have no representation
in our government, and basically, we have no prayer
to stop the horror unfolding before us.
BHN
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NEOBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:10 PM
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11. It can happen. We must stop the corporations!
A corporation with no cash flow is out of business, period. This is actually much easier to do than it seems, but we need a viable alternative to take the corporation's place, if it is producing something that is vital to our society (i.e. food, medicine, transport, energy, etc.)

Why else does Big Oil fight alternative energy? Because if we didn't need oil, they would be out of business, plain and simple. The same is true for Big Auto, Big Pharma, Big Box Retail (i.e. Wal-Mart, Home Depot, etc.). If we can ramp up and rely upon alternatives to what these big corporate machines throw at us, they will be forced to fold, or else will simply collapse.

This is the challenge we face over the next decade. And I believe that we will rise to meet it.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 08:34 PM
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4. When will people comprehend the fact...
Edited on Fri Oct-20-06 08:35 PM by BeHereNow
That the neocon corporate elite DO NOT care how
many lives are wasted?
OF COURSE he states "We will stay the course.."
KNOWING full well what that entails.
They DO not CARE how many lives it takes to
continue the hegemonic agenda.
And now, since the economy and all opportunities
have been eliminated for the average young person to
survive in this country, along with others destroyed by the
powers that be, they are confident of an unending supply
of cannon fodder.
It's going to get much worse, I fear.

BHN
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 08:41 PM
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6. One-trick ponies are more versatile than Bush.
It's that whole "Great Man" leadership style he's trying to foist upon the country. The problem is that, in order for the "Great Man" theory of leadership to be tested, a great man is required.

Obstinance is no substitute for wisdom.
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The Brethren Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 08:46 PM
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7. if he wants to control Iraq so much
Impeach him, get him out of government and send him over there permanently to fight with them by himself with his little pistol and cowboy hat.
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:13 PM
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12. Yes! Let him be dictator of Iraq!
He's got the perfect mindset. He likes torture and he's bullheaded as an ox. He said he'd like to be dictator. I think he'd do a wonderful job - for about the 15 minutes he'd be alive being dictator of Iraq.
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The Brethren Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 08:15 PM
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16. I'd give him more like
5 min. once he started yelling "Bring it on!!"
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 08:18 PM
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17. Yes. You're right. Five minutes is more likely. If that long. nt
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The Brethren Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 08:38 PM
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28. Can't quite get the visuals
out of my head of him trying to play a little Texan cowboy in the middle of Iraq. And when reality sets in for him, as the comedian Louis Black would say of junior trying to to get his handlers to protect him, "where's the meat?" Followed by: "this is really p*ssing me off, get me out of here,now!" LOL Sorry, bushie it ain't Kansas anymore.
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 11:24 PM
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31. Actually the visuals make me ill.
I wouldn't wish that on anybody - even him. But, if he really, really wants to be a dictator... I think that would be the perfect place for him. He would surely get his just desserts.
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The Brethren Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 09:43 AM
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42. yes, his just desserts.
If I could, I give him a one plane ticket over, but I know that's not possible.

Seriously, as much as I hate him and it's tempting, I wouldn't send him over there by himself with his little pistol, not that he doesn't deserve it. I use humor because I'm so frustrated with it. After all these yrs, you'd think he would act like an adult, stop the nonsense and at least try and make intelligent decisions. I know, it's futile.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:05 PM
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8. What a stupid, narrow-minded, egotistical man
It's obvious that he will stubbornly refuse to listen to anybody, and that even the total destruction of Iraq and the United States will not be enough to make him give up having things his way. The most powerful position in the world, the president of the U.S., is currently being held by a two year old having a temper tantrum.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:52 PM
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9. who in the hell thought for one second he was "flip-flopping"???
I saw so many posts alleging that of him and I have to think, WTF??? This idiot has not changed course in five fucking years. Regardless of what anyone says. Why in the hell would he now??
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NEOBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:00 PM
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10. He'll stay the course... right over the edge into the abyss n/t
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 05:45 AM
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13. It boggles the mind that Americans elected such a complete and destructive
asshole for president.
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Kenergy Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 06:35 AM
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14. The Monkey's Paw Syndrome n/t
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 07:28 AM
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15. Stay the course, you Worthless Little Fuck.
You've made a galloping mess of every goddamn job you've ever had, including the supposed President of the United States of America. All you have left, JUNIOR, is your manly, down-to-earth CONVICTION that you're doing what's right.

Hang on to that word CONVICTION. It's really going to come back to bite your sorry ass. Meanwhile, try not to think about what Poppy must be going through while he sends Baker to bail you out of YET ANOTHER MESS.

Fuck you very much, Little Reptile. May you live a thousand years and suddenly grow a conscience.

:rofl:
dbt
Remember New Orleans

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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 08:37 PM
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18. Pressure builds for policy shift, but Bush shows no signs of budging
Pressure builds for policy shift, but Bush shows no signs of budging

By Ron Hutcheson and Nancy A. Youssef
McClatchy Newspapers


Dhiah Sahib, 30, cries for peace in front of the main gate of Baghdad's al-Kadhum Shrine in 2004.

WASHINGTON - Appalled by spiraling violence in Iraq and frustrated by Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki's failure to quell it, American officials are grasping for new ways to keep the conflict from spinning out of control.

But President Bush has given no indication that he's ready to make dramatic changes in his Iraq policy,
which has come to define his presidency and dominate next month's congressional elections. If anything, the president's public comments and those of his senior aides suggest that he's more determined than ever to stay the course.

-snip-
White House spokesman Tony Snow said Friday that Bush has rejected two of the most frequently mentioned options: a phased U.S. withdrawal or a partition that would divide Iraq into Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish regions. He said that Bush is open to changes in tactics that could help achieve his goals, but won't consider any deviation from his core strategy.

-snip-
That leaves senior American officials and commanders in Iraq in a tough place. They've acknowledged that the current approach isn't working, and that they're looking for an alternative. But the decision ultimately is the president's.

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/15810759.htm

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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 08:37 PM
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19. Exactly. He's the decider, not the realizer, not the corrector.
He's not for changing.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 08:37 PM
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22. He is simply not going to let reality get in the way of his plans.
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dos pelos Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 02:42 AM
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33. US casualties worse than we know
I strongly suspect that things are much worse,as regards US casualties,then we are let to know.Remember in the Vietnam war,when there was a casualty increase,that casualties would be announced over a period of time,to even out the numbers?Well I think were there again.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 08:37 PM
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20. "Stay the course"? Will somebody tell me what the fuck the "course" IS?
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 08:37 PM
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23. I think this is it:
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 08:37 PM
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21. I dunno. Is the Oct surprise that he will in fact change suddenly?
Maybe they are building to a crescendo and everyone will be so stunned and happy when he flip flops?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 08:37 PM
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 08:37 PM
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25. The Dems don't want to "cut and run," which is a stupid GOP meme.
If I hear that phrase once more I think I'll :puke:.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 08:37 PM
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26. The uncompromising war-chimp is helping to bury the GOP
Soon, his support will be down to Pickles and Barney.

Well......except for the freepers, of course.
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neoblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 08:52 PM
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30. Ain't Gonna Stop While I Are PresyDent...
Thus he presents us with the perfect answer; imagine America no longer suffering with him being it's President (no Cheney or associate either, thank you very much). What a pleasant thought... too bad it requires so much political power to impeach; too bad we don't have another option--like a national referendum vote of no confidence or some such thing.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 08:40 PM
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29. Bush = "Arrogance and Stupidity." nt
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 01:47 AM
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32. I think he's stating to budge; he's getting scared
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dos pelos Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 02:45 AM
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34. He has reason to be scared
He's choking down a big increase in US KIA,I am reading reports of 300 US KIA last week 10/10/06 in the Camp Falcon ammo dump attack.How will that be kept quiet.
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doubleplusgood Donating Member (810 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 03:41 AM
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37. link to this story?
where is this story posted from?
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 04:13 AM
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39. That's because he is hard headed and even if he is wrong,
he will not change his plans. You know? The Republican personality trait that stands out the most is that hard headed way of theirs. It's a wonder they haven't all killed themselves driving the wrong way down a one way street despite people telling them they are driving the wrong way down a one way street. Bush has bought a one way ticket to hell and come hell nor high water, he's beelining it.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 05:36 AM
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40. Bush considers US soldiers as expendable.
Edited on Sun Oct-22-06 05:36 AM by tabasco
Bush doesn't care about anybody who was killed as a result of his corrupt "leadership."

Bush acts like a sociopath who pretends to show remorse but has none.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 08:56 PM
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41. What, again, is the job we were doing in Iraq?
September/October 2004

21 Rationales for War

Want a reason for war with Iraq? Here are 21. A study by Devon Largio, a recent graduate of the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign, reveals that between September 2001 and October 2002 10 key players in the debate over Iraq presented at least 21 rationales for going to war. Largio examines the public statements of President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle, Sens. Joseph Lieberman and John McCain, Richard Perle (then chairman of the Defense Policy Review Board), Secretary of State Colin Powell, National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, and Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz ...

http://www.foreignpolicy.com.nyud.net:8090/issue_septoct_2004/21rat.jpg

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=2679
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