Frozen toddler's father also faces sex charge

[seriousstan]

PITTSBURGH, Pennsylvania (AP) -- A man angry his toddler daughter wouldn't go to bed knocked her unconscious and left her to die outside in single-digit temperatures, police said.

The frozen body of Nyia Miangel Page, who was about to turn 2, was found Sunday at an abandoned playground about a 10-minute walk from the family's home.

Tiny footprints in the snow suggest she had gotten up and wandered around before she died, police said.

Her father, William Lorenzo Page, 23, of Braddock, was arrested Wednesday on charges of criminal homicide, kidnapping, false reports and simple assault.

He has been in custody since Sunday, when he was charged with sexually abusing another child shortly before Nyia died.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/08/toddler.death.ap/index.html

[Miss Chybil]

1. Pure evil. nt

[Megahurtz]

2. You said it. n/t

[MidwestTransplant]

6. One sick bastard

[Virginia Dare]

3. If he's found guilty, lock him up and throw away the key...

why in the hell was he left alone with this child, he's obviously a very sick individual.

[RamboLiberal]

4. I'm for locking up this jerk and never leaving him near another kid again

This happened in my area and there's a lot of outrage over the senseless murder of this beautiful helpless little child.

[Hawkowl]

5. Skip the trial

Drop him out naked in the Pennsylvania woods overnight and let him freeze to death.

[atreides1]

8. One thing

Make sure his arms and legs are duct taped together and douse him with water!!!!!

[barb162]

23. good idea there

[elocs]

7. I am a guy and I cried when I read this--it is so absolutely heartbreaking.

The footprints in the snow--I can only think of my own daughter at that age. It is sad that children so often have to fear the ones who are supposed to protect them and to care for them. Nyia is beyond hurt and pain now. This type of thing is what pushed me over the line to not believing in god. If I, as a human, refuse to confront evil or to help someone or save their life if it is within my power and refuse to do so, then that itself is evil. But god can go eenie, meenie, minie, moe, and get a pass to help or not to help.

[guitar man]

9. I did too

I have a 13 month old daughter, my first child, and all I could think about was how precious she is and how horrible it would be for her to be trapped outside freezing.

I say lock this prick outside naked in freezing weather :mad:

[RubyDuby in GA]

10. Y'all can get mad about it and flame away at me, but

to me, this is what the death penalty is for. This evil man deserves to die.

There, I've said my peace. I've stated my opinion. Now flame away...

[Nutmegger]

12. No flame but I strongly disagree.

But I do respect your opinion.

[RubyDuby in GA]

13. Thank you.

I have an 8 month old son and I, for the life of me, cannot understand how people can harm their own children.

[MODemocrat]

16. He's a worthless scumbag and I hope he dies a hard death

That is making me so sick just to think about that innocent and helpless little baby being abandoned,
and left to freeze to death. I'd love to treat that evil SOB the same way, and watch him freeze to death...
He's not even good enough for Hell.

[depakid]

35. Believe me, prison will be a fate worse than death

People like this do hard time- and I think we can all rest assured that he won't be getting out.

[jmm]

45. Exactly

Also prison for the average violent criminal is bad enough bad someone like this surely wouldn't do well.

[Frank Cannon]

43. Killing's too good for him. Seriously.

He needs to suffer a long, long time.

[rocktivity]

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[Dulcinea]

14. Prison justice for him.

Put him in lockup with no special protection & let the other prisoners take care of the rest. Child molesters and child murderers are the lowest of the low even in prison.

I have 2 daughters, ages 5 & 3, & I cannot fathom how anyone could do that to their own child, a helpless toddler.

:cry:

[MsKandice01]

15. These stories don't usually affect me this way...

But right now, all I want to do is go pick my 3 1/2 year old son up at daycare and hug him. When I think about that little girl's suffering, it's all I can do not to burst into tears. This story is going to stick with me all day.

[Dervill Crow]

33. I'm sitting here crying.

My kids are 27, 25, 21, and 17, and I want to grab them all and hug them. In fact, I'm going to go hunt up my 17-year-old son right now.

Stories like this make me wish there was a hell.

[SKKY]

46. Me too. This just ruined my day. The only thing that makes me feel even a little...

...bit better is knowing he will be tossing salads in prison for the rest of his life. Just sick.

[mitchum]

17. An evil motherfucker who is no good to anyone

[Casablanca]

18. Questions the US mainstream media won't ask about this.

1. Where was her mother? (Was the toddler wondering about this while she wandered around the playground?)

2. Did this father have a history of violent behavior? (If so, why was he allowed to supervise, or even be anywhere near, his daughter?)

3. Why do we rarely hear about this kind of thing happening in Sweden, or Germany, or Switzerland, or ...


The sociopathic behavior of the father is the only thing this report is focusing on, but they aren't asking "Why?"

The reason is clear. Because too many details result in more questions, secondguessing the status quo, and action. Keep the herd emotionally sensitive but not too agitated.

[Miss Chybil]

19. Those seem like pretty standard questions. I'm sure they will

be asked, if they haven't been already. Sometimes, it takes a while to get answers. This, I'm sure, is not a government, MSM conspiracy. Really, believe me when I say, all things are not linked in order to keep the "herd" in line. People don't freeze babies and then manipulate the story simply to control your mind and emotions.

This is a horribly, sick tragedy. It stands on its own and needs no global conspiracy theories to dress it up, or to detract from it. May the baby rest in peace, and may the bastard who killed her rot in hell.

[Casablanca]

20. Media corporations _do_ keep the herdmind in line.

Sorry, but I've been around the block too many times to not believe that isn't a major part of their job. Anyone who cares to compare US media and non-US media reporting on any number of stories or issues will see that US media reports nearly always slant their coverage to more emotional outrage/less background information. The difference between reporting and manipulation has long since been blurred, and brevity means a bigger audience for the story in America.

"People don't freeze babies and then manipulate the story simply to control your mind and emotions."
If you think I believe this guy was paid to do this by the media, you're mistaken. The media has more than enough social chaos to report. They translate what they find to their meme agenda.

I'm not knocking the fact that it was reported or denying the x-factor in the US media. I'm always glad to see deviations from the norm in US mainstream media reporting. I've just been much more accurate betting against the larger questions being covered, and a better interpreter of US media by being skeptical.

[Miss Chybil]

21. The answers to your questions...

1. Where was her mother? (Was the toddler wondering about this while she wandered around the playground?)

"Nyia's mother told police she last saw the girl after Nyia tried to crawl into bed with her parents about 12:30 a.m. Saturday. The mother told police she put the youngster back into her own bed in an upstairs room." (The mother was at home, apparently in bed. No one can know what the child was thinking.)

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/08/toddler.death.ap/index.html

2. Did this father have a history of violent behavior? (If so, why was he allowed to supervise, or even be anywhere near, his daughter?)

"Page was already in jail at the time of his arrest. He was being held on charges of simple and indecent assault of a child, endangering the welfare of children and corruption of minors. Those charges came after a six-year-old boy made allegations that Page had indecently assaulted him and struck him with a belt on previous occasions." (These accusations came about as the police were searching for Nyia. So far, there is no mention of a prior record, or complaints.)

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0207/0802_nyia_page.html

3. Why do we rarely hear about this kind of thing happening in Sweden, or Germany, or Switzerland, or ...

"The UNICEF research estimates that almost 3,500 children under the age of 15 die from physical abuse and neglect every year in the industrialized world. The greatest risk is among younger children. A small group of countries – Spain, Greece, Italy, Ireland and Norway – appear to have an exceptionally low incidence of child maltreatment deaths; Belgium, the Czech Republic, New Zealand, Hungary and France have levels that are four to six times higher. The United States, Mexico and Portugal have rates that are between 10 and 15 times higher than those at the top of the league table.

--snip--

The research also establishes that a clear relationship seems to exist between levels of child death from maltreatment and the levels of violence in society as a whole. The countries with the lowest rates of child deaths from maltreatment also have very low rates of adult deaths from assault. Similarly, the three nations with exceptionally high levels of child deaths from maltreatment also have exceptionally high adult death rates.

The UNICEF report draws on a wide range of surveys from different countries to investigate the various factors most commonly associated with physical abuse. Poverty and stress are factors closely associated with physical abuse and neglect of children although the relationship is far from fixed. Contrary to common perceptions, 80 per cent of child abusers are the biological parents.

Of all the family problems recorded by investigators into the circumstances of child maltreatment, one of the most common and most serious is drug and alcohol abuse. Strong evidence also exists to link the physical abuse of children with domestic violence between the adults they live with. But the report also cites research from Germany which shows that more than 50 per cent of children who often witnessed violence between adults at home never, or only rarely, experienced physical abuse themselves."

http://www.unicef.org/media/media_14661.html

[Casablanca]

25. Thanks for your research.

But the fact is that you shouldn't have had to. It should have _all_ been in the CNN article. If you could find it in short order on the net, so could the reporter who was _paid_ to do so.

1. The part about what the girl was thinking was rhetorical. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

2. This should have been part of the CNN article, yet you had to find it on crimelibrary.com, not on a mainstream media source.

3. This society would be far better off if the mainstream media made readers as continually aware of the fact that poverty is the main cause of child abuse as, say, the fact that 3/4's of all economic activity is by consumers during the Christmas shopping season. Only certain parts of the big picture are considered worth reporting my the mainstream media, and it is a pattern to anyone who chooses to see it.

[Miss Chybil]

27. From the CNN article...

"The sexual abuse charge against Page came as police investigated Nyia's disappearance.

Police said another child in the house told investigators that sometime overnight Friday, Page entered a bedroom, covered the child's mouth with one hand and touched the child's genitals with the other. The child said Page then left the room, followed by Nyia, police said."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/08/toddler.death.ap/index.html

Life doesn't come in a three-ring binder with annotations, footnotes, a table of contents and a glossary. If it did, you'd still have to put forth the effort to read it. Don't get me wrong, I get very frustrated with "the media" sometimes, too, but you're just not going to get everything handed to you when it comes to information. You have to be a participant in the learning process. That means connecting your own dots. If you're upset because you don't feel the rest of the world has all the information you have and you wish somebody would give it to them - and you feel, if somebody did, the world would be a better place - let me just say, the information is available to them. People must be curious in order to want to know something and even when they know it, or hear it, they don't all perceive it the same way. Now, do I think t.v. news could better spend its time educating the public? Of course, I do! But I realized long ago, t.v. news is not "news" anymore, it's entertainment. Yes, I think that's a shame. Are some entertainment programs turning into political propaganda machines? Surely, they are. These things have nothing to do with this little girl and her circumstances, though, and I guess that's what is ruffling my feathers. So, you see, we both have the same information, and we are perceiving it differently. So, I will just let it go at that.

Have a good night.

[Casablanca]

42. "Life doesn't come in a three-ring binder with annotations, footnotes, a table of contents ..."

IT DOESN'T?!

Funny, I don't remember ever suggesting that it did. I just recall writing that it would be a responsible move for mainstream news reporters to do research and report the facts, and I haven't read or seen anything that refutes that opinion.

A pleasant night to you as well.

[LeftishBrit]

32. I think that most people are aware of poverty as a cause of child abuse; but what this means isn't

that they fight to abolish poverty, but that they often think that ONLY poor parents abuse their children, and that rich or middle-class parents can't do so. This means that some cases of child abuse go un-noticed.

As for the OP, that is truly tragic. That poor child!!!! I wish no child ever again will suffer such terrible treatment.

[Casablanca]

44. Totally agree with you there.

My concern is that not giving the bigger picture leaves the story as a "human interest" piece, rather than something that could encourage the reader to not just know about the cause(s), but to give them the impression that something can be done about it. Supporting anti-poverty legislation, donating to a charity ...

News reporting that just leaves the reader with and "isn't that terrible" reaction while leaving the social causes of the tragedy unaddressed is irresponsible in my opinion, and contributes to the tragedy being repeated with another unfortunate child in the future.

[barb162]

22. send this M-F outside with no clothes in a cage for 5 days

geez! He doesn't deserve to be locked up at taxpayer expense

[wisteria]

24. That poor baby! How could a human being do something like that to an innocent baby? So sad! n/t

[MrSlayer]

26. What this "person" deserves, he'll never get.

I'll just leave it at that.

[elocs]

41. What this person deserves if the form of execution the Romans used:

crucifixion. This would be a perfect case for it. But most certainly he will never really get what he deserves.

[krispos42]

28. "Tiny footprints in the snow..."

My stomach dropped when I read this. I have a two-year old myself.

I think of that little girl getting up and looking around for the father that she loves so much, not understanding how evil he is, in the freezing cold and snow, until finally just falling to the ground and crying for...

Oh, god, for how long? How fucking long?

...until hypothermia sets in and the eternal sleep comes.

And I can imagine my son's face instead of the little girl, and it makes my heart ache...

[bling bling]

29. This is why I usually stick to political news.

I seriously lose sleep over stories like this. My heart can't take too many stories about people who cause suffering to others. But stories like this one are too much. That little girl just wanted to climb into bed with her parents and in return one of them leaves her to die in a painful, horrible, drawn out way?

Ordinarily I believe in Karma but I don't think there is anything that could happen to this man to equal the fear and suffering he put that innocent little girl through. I can't bare to think about it anymore.

[BreweryYardRat]

30. Charming. I'm not generally in favor of reproductive licensing, but this is a good argument for it.

This jackass was too stupid and too fucking sick to have kids.

[Andreas Baader]

34. I'm not generally in favor of reproductive licensing

I'm open to it, although I'd have some questions before signing on all the way. This waste of carbon sure makes a strong argument for it.

[SayWhatYo]

37. I had the same thoughts when I read this...

Some people shouldn't be allowed to breed... or perhaps breathe depending on your views.

[Forrest Greene]

31. My Living Death Penalty

He gets a bare room with a minimal bed, toilet, sink. No window, blank door, indirect light over which he has no control. He gets pajamas & paper slippers, a sponge & a small toothbrush. No books, no radio, no TV. He's dead, see? He gets the minimal nutrition, in the form of food pellets & vitamin pills, & the minimal human contact -- his guards, through the door -- & the minimal exercise considered necessary to maintain life. No visits, no lawyers, etc. As far as the outside world is concerned, he's dead. His room is minimally heated & cooled. Its walls, ceiling, & floor are some hard but transparent material. Behind them are rear-projection screens, on which are projected, randomly timed & placed, such images as exist of the murdered child, especially her coroner's photos, accompanied by audio tapes of happy, laughing children, maybe other happy childhood images, playgrounds, toys, etc. The ceiling/roof of his room opens up to let icestorms & blizzards enter, just once a year or so. He stays there for the rest of his life.

On days that would have been important, like her first trip to the dentist, her graduation from high school, something commemorates it. Have him sit for the length of an appointment in an empty dentist's office, sit in a folding chair for an afternoon with an age-advanced portrait of the child, wearing cap & gown & holding a diploma, smiling at him. Things like that.

Maybe at some point we let him come to trust & depend on someone or something, then brutally destroy it in his presence. If he's really too stupid to catch on, we could repeat that a few times.

No one ever again looks him in the eye or speaks to him directly. He's dead, as good as. Maybe worse than?

[AngryAmish]

38. So you support torture?

[judaspriestess]

36. this is a prime example of a human being able to pro-create

and SHOULD NOT. Getting someone pregnant and having the kid is the easy part, caring for the child is a whole other ball game. If only she was an embryo :eyes:

[lpbk2713]

39. If there is such a thing as justice ....

this SOB will not be put in isolation when he gets to prison.

[AnneD]

40. Sadly....

too many folks in our society don't understand the true worth of a child, otherwise our priorities would be different. We are such a disposable society-we throw our kids away. This child lost her life, other kids are neglected and abused. I see and hear about high school being kicked out of their homes every day, and they are still kids.
I just have a hard time understanding it.

I saw the movie Children of Men. Want to see a movie that makes you think-I suggest you watch it. Considering the way our environment is heading....I can see this happening one day. Sad sad.