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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:26 AM
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Crist(?Repug? Gov Fl) : I'll restore felons' rights
http://www.sptimes.com/2007/02/22/State/Crist__I_ll_restore_f.shtml


Crist: I'll restore felons' rights
STEVE BOUSQUET
Published February 22, 2007

TALLAHASSEE - Gov. Charlie Crist said Wednesday that he may issue an executive order single-handedly restoring civil rights to felons who have completed their sentences.

The announcement from the Republican governor drew applause from nearly two dozen Democratic lawmakers from the legislative black caucus, known formally as the Florida Conference of Black State Legislators.

..cut..
The legislators were much more enthusiastic about an executive order - an indication of their lack of confidence in a Republican-controlled Legislature that has never passed a bill to streamline the civil rights restoration system.

..more at link...



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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:27 AM
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1. this guy is turning out to be a very interesting Gov
especially for a repug:D
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:32 AM
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7. He most certainly IS a remarkable change from what we're used to seeing from Florida recently!
Nowhere did the difference stand out more than after the last tornado they had there, when he was being interviewed by major network newsmen, and he had ALL the facts at his command instantly, in his head, as familiar to him as his own name, and he spoke with such concern, and involvement it was almost IMPOSSIBLE to believe he was only a Republican! (joke!) It was stunning to see how well he was doing that job, especially with the image still vivid of the snotty, surly, supercilious attitude we saw from Jeb Bush.

If Crist is serious about this, he's going to give Florida a chance for redemption after Florida earned its way to hell with the stolen election of 2000.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:44 AM
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11. IIRC, he also stayed at the command center instead of going to the Super Bowl
too bad he doesn't have a D after his name. :)
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:28 AM
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2. Crist has some redeeming qualities
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 03:00 PM
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22. Yes, but he is, after all
The father of Anna Nicole Smith's baby.

:rofl: :rofl:
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 09:08 PM
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39. But as a reug he is still in bed with the devil
.
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:28 AM
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3. I will
give credit where it is due. Crist doesn't seem so bad...so far he has been pretty moderate. I could deal with him.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:29 AM
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4. The lege will need to back him up on this
because he's not Bush and I'm afraid his EOs, no matter how necessary they are, will be overturned by the state supreme court as not being his job and not going through proper channels--the lege.

Stupid has obviously given governors a lot of bright (and wrong) ideas about bypassing their state legislatures.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:52 PM
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17. if push came to shove he could use the power of pardon
and the lege can't stop that.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:30 AM
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5. This isn't by mistake--he is playing to the center
An email I received:

IMP-PAC Applauds Governor Crist's Move to the Center in Florida
Crist aims to steer Florida GOP toward center
By S.V. Dáte
Palm Beach Post Capital Bureau
Saturday, February 10, 2007

TALLAHASSEE — Still three weeks from his first regular legislative session, Gov. Charlie Crist already has put behind him a new law dealing with the top issue of the campaign trail: property insurance.

And as a new governor with a legislature led by his own party, he is almost certain to get quick approval of his personal top issue for the past three years: an "anti-murder" bill to get tough on probation-violators.

Not yet known, though, is whether these successes and even Crist's stellar approval ratings can let him manage what could be his boldest but, so far, his least-publicized challenge: to remake the state Republican Party in his own, more centrist image.

"Clearly a more tolerant party that believes in good law and order, sound financial discipline but ... a true compassion for people and our environment, particularly in a state like Florida, it is the wave of the future," said Crist, who prefers to call himself a "problem-solver" rather than accept a label like "moderate."

Yet on issue after issue - from cracking down on insurance companies to supporting implementation of the class-size amendment to pushing to scrap touch-screen voting machines - Crist has broken with conservative Republican orthodoxy of the past decade. Crist said he is merely trying to get his party back to the principles of founders such as Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt.

The strategy seems to be working so far. A recent Quinnipiac University poll showed Crist with a 69 percent approval rating, with only 6 percent disapproving.

"Charlie is hitting Republican politics at exactly the right time to moderate the Republican Party in the state," said former state GOP Chairman Tom Slade, who cites the unpopularity of President Bush and the results of the 2006 congressional elections as proof that Crist is on the right track. "We have scared voters off with some of the hard-right stuff."

"Charlie Crist is doing exactly the right thing," said former GOP New Jersey Gov. Christine Todd Whitman, who has taken the same message nationally with a book titled It's My Party Too and a political action committee named for it.

She said recent polls show that 60 percent of Americans call themselves political centrists.

"That's where we need to run," she said. "We're sick to death of this hard-edged, narrow-minded image...We've had this attitude over the last few years that if you're not with me, you're against me."

'Room for both sides'

Crist said he is trying to accomplish what he promised on the campaign trail, not actively trying to generate new, more like-minded recruits to the party.

"It may have the unintended additional effect of expanding the base of the party I happen to belong to," Crist said. "I think it may open the eyes of some who may have thought that Republicans necessarily stood against the importation of prescription drugs from Canada, or stood against having a paper trail in our voting system, or stood against fighting for the betterment of our environment. But here we have a Republican governor who's fighting for all of those things, and higher teacher pay, and so maybe it gets a second look as a result."

Rep. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala, one the of most outspoken Christian conservatives in the legislature, praised Crist's new direction - provided it does not move away from what he called "core" Republican positions such as opposition to abortion.

Baxley pointed to Crist's proposal to fund stem-cell research - a proposal that disappointed many Democrats and some Republicans because it would exclude most embryonic stem cells - as proof that Crist was willing to accommodate the GOP's base of social conservatives.

"That big tent covers people a little over to the right, too, like me," said Baxley, who for much of last year criticized Crist as too liberal. "Those are not necessarily in conflict. I think there's room for both."

Ending the run to the right

Crist's run as a different sort of Republican began more than a year ago. For decades in Florida, GOP primary politics has been a race to the right. But when Chief Financial Officer Tom Gallagher pulled out all the stops to lock up the "base" as defined by both President Bush and his brother, former Gov. Jeb Bush, Crist did not follow.

As Gallagher hammered on the importance of opposing gay marriage and abortions, Crist instead hammered insurance companies and electrical utilities. While Gallagher held news conferences with religious conservatives, Crist held one with the daughter of a black slain civil rights leader in Brevard County - and even acknowledged the consternation the move could cause among some GOP voters.

"There may be some that would conclude that it might be detrimental in a Republican primary, but that's not really what matters," Crist said in August, when as state attorney general he named four long-dead Klansmen as the killers in the case.

Crist won the primary by nearly a 2-1 margin, but a bigger statement came on the eve of the general election. President Bush flew to Pensacola, one of the few places in Florida where he was still popular, to campaign for Crist. But when Bush took the stage with Jeb Bush, Crist was in Delray Beach, talking to voters at a bagel shop.

The next day, North Florida voters were relatively cool to Crist. Twenty-eight conservative counties that had given Jeb Bush a 214,000-vote margin in 2002 gave Crist a 187,000-vote margin in 2006, even though voter registration had grown over those four years.

In 2002, those counties gave Bush 54 percent more votes than there were Republican voters. In 2006, the figure for Crist was down to 9 percent.

Crist wound up beating Democrat Jim Davis by 342,000 votes, a margin of 7 percent. It was a closer gap than either of Jeb Bush's victories, leading some conservative Republicans to grumble privately that Crist is giving away the franchise by moving too far to the middle.

Others say comparing Crist's wins to Bush's is the wrong standard, particularly given Bush's national name and his family's popularity in those years.

"The party needs to take a look at what happened in 2006, where you have Republicans who ran as centrists in Florida and in California who bucked the national anti-Republican tidal wave that swept a whole lot of Republicans out of office," said Todd Harris, a former and likely future aide to GOP presidential hopeful Sen. John McCain.

In California, GOP Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger won an easy reelection after adopting a number of traditionally Democratic positions.

"I think some elements of the party need to take a more pragmatic approach to government to ensure that we can have a sustainable majority here in Florida," Harris said.

Close call on party chairman

Not everyone in the party, however, seems ready to acknowledge such a need. At a state party meeting two weeks ago, Crist nearly lost a vote to install his personal choice, Seminole County's Jim Greer, as chairman.

The party voting structure - each county is given three votes, regardless of its population - favors the smaller, more conservative Panhandle and North Florida counties. Some Republicans said the close vote was fomented by Bush supporters, who had hoped to keep in place a party leader loyal to him.

"That was a momentary scare for Charlie," Slade said.

But with that fight in the past, Crist's consolidation of the party apparatus will probably move forward, given the power inherent in the governor's office.

You "want to put your own stamp on the party, and there's also nothing controversial about that," Harris said. "It is the Charlie Crist party. He's the governor. He's the leader of the party."

Baxley said he backed Crist's choice for party chair for that reason. He also cited Theodore Roosevelt as a respectable model for Crist's anti-big business and pro-environmental stands - but laughed when reminded that Roosevelt ultimately felt disgusted by his own Republican Party and sought a return to the presidency as a progressive.

"I hope we don't eventually play that one out," he said.








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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:23 PM
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12. But he is turning out to be more Progressive than the Dem Davis
who ran against him.... Davis is far right DLC. :shrug:

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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:35 PM
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14. **Anyone** looks better than JEB
good riddance to that asshole...
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 01:10 PM
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18. But the people of Florida thinks Jeb walks on water
:shrug:

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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 05:12 PM
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28. No they don't. We're just portrayed that way by a flunky media and
skewed voting machines.
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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 06:55 PM
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36. NOPE!
Review their campaign issues especially on taxes, education, and the environment. While Davis is a New Democrat, I have no doubt that he'd be more liberal than Crist, especially on those issues. Jim Davis campaigned on issuing an executive order to restore felon's voting rights. Crist has adopted some of Jim's platform because of it's popularity.

Crist has pleasantly surprised me but I'm still cautious about declaring him as liberal. He's yet to address environmental issues and he received a huge amount of money from corporate interests that allowed him to overwhelm any message that Davis put out. How he addresses the property tax issue will show a lot. If he follows Jim McKay's initiative and reforms sales tax to include a large tax base along with repealing the hundreds of specialized exemptions passed under Jebbie, then I'll give him credit for taking a liberal view. However, if the bill to raise our sales tax up 3% passes and he signs it, it'll definitely show that he's to the right of Jim Davis.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:31 AM
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6. Good
A person who can't be trusted to vote, serve on a jury, own a firearm, or hold a professional license shouldn't be out of jail.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:33 AM
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8. Felons who have served their time,
Edited on Thu Feb-22-07 11:51 AM by rocknation
completed their probabtion/parole/restitution, and stayed out of further trouble should definitely get their voting rights back. But Crist being a Republican, I can't help but wonder if he wants to rush in where Jeb can no longer tread. He wouldn't be the first who's come on as a Dem-lite, then made a hard right turn.

:headbang:
rocknation
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:41 AM
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9. yes, i agree. No one should be punished for life!--when they have
complete their time/work or whatever.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:44 AM
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10. I would make an exception for those who committed frauds involving elections or voting
Ann Coulter, for example.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:29 PM
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13. Felons who committed rape or murder shouldn't be allowed to have their civil rights back
And no, I'm not being sarcastic.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:47 PM
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15. governments shouldn't be allowed to selectively choose who votes and who doesn't
it's not a matter of how rotten some of the electorate are. it's just a bad idea for the government to have that kind of power.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 03:26 PM
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23. This law exists for purely racist reasons, not "justice" reasons.
Every single "you can never vote again" provision came out of efforts to prevent blacks from voting.

Surprsingly enough, they're still very good at it.
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 06:06 PM
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33. Why?
I am serious. Why do you think that?
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PaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:49 PM
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16. Crist is going off script early in often
I can only imagine that he's going to feel the pressure from the party apparatus.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 01:17 PM
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19. Good. (nt)
Edited on Thu Feb-22-07 01:17 PM by w4rma
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youngdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 02:49 PM
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20. Hot Damn !!
Good for him.

Watch him be crucified for it.

To give the devil their due:

Ryan in Illinois pardoned the Death Row inmates in the face of overwhelming evidence of systemic failure to convict only the guilty.

Perry in Texas asked that all girls be vaccinated against HPV. Yes, apparently he did it for a bribe, but it still took balls in a state as sexually repressed as Texas.

There was the Mississippi or Alabama governor who recently asked the state to pass a huge package of tax increases on the rich to assist the working and the poor. It was defeated and I believe he was summarily tossed from office.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 02:57 PM
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21. I always believed it wasn't until Governor Ryan suspended the death penalty that they decided
to destroy him. Made him a lot of rabid, right-wing, blood-thirsty enemies.

It is interesting seeing the occassional decent action from a Republican official, isn't it? They are very brave to take on the retribution it always brings to buck the crowd of right-wing monsters.
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youngdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 06:16 PM
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34. I suspected the same thing about Ryan
I always thought that he was lynched for crimes inherent to the office once he did the mass commutation.
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chang0 Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 04:01 PM
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24. I didnt vote for him but I think he'be good for FL. Insurance is killin us down here and he's fighti
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chang0 Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 04:02 PM
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25. Crap ,ran out of space
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swimboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 04:22 PM
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26. Welcome to DU, chang0!
:hi:


(and a little bit of :rofl: )
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 05:05 PM
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27. Hard to run against
someone you agree with. I'm happy for Fla. They deserve some good leadership for a change-even if it does come from the other side of the aisle. This may be a case of voting for the man and not the party. If all those felons get pardoned and can vote-who will they exclude?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 05:14 PM
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29. Crist may be OK ... for a Republican :-) n/t
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Spangle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 05:24 PM
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30. Less work for the Governor
Since HE is the one who is suppose to review everyone who is asking to have their rights restored. If a Gov. really 'reviewed' them all, they wouldn't have time to do anything else. Hence, that is why it's not done. Also why it CAN'T be done..

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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 05:55 PM
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31. Jesus. "Chaingang Charlie" is considering restoring voting rights?
This is an important issue for me. No one should lose their citizenship rights for any crime save treason. But the issue is SO unpopular. Nobody wants to be cast as "pro-felon."

I'd be plesantly shocked if any governor went through with this, and doubly surprised that Crist is considering it.

Hell, I campaigned against Crist, but I'm getting less and less upset he won.
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Acadia Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 05:59 PM
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32. He is going with the social flow. And he is interesting.
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scavenger Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 08:09 PM
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37. I agree with you
He doesn't even seem like a republican to me. I believe his heart is in the right place, but that just my opinion.
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GOPNotForMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 06:32 PM
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35. Color me pleasantly surprised. n/t
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TheBaldyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 08:48 PM
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38. Does this have a correlation to the number of Republicans being conviicted?
Edited on Thu Feb-22-07 08:49 PM by TheBaldyMan
just wondering
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scavenger Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 10:49 PM
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41. conviicted?
When the highest man in office can get away with starting a war with false pretense that causes the death and suffering of so many people, will someone please what the heck the deference is between a criminal and our president.

The justice system sucks. We have no real justice system and the 40 year old drug war has proven that. What we have here is a delusion of justice and the bottom line is if we don't get right real soon, we're all doomed.
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TheBaldyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:22 PM
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43. my spelings great, it's just my typing sucks
I think Frist is just paving the way for all those republicans that will be minding a cell in the near future.

It's never bothered the republicans before - why the change of heart now.

They'll be praying that they get tried in FL.

btw welcome to DU, enjoy your stay :7
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 09:16 PM
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40. Wow. Nice work.
Florida has long been a horrid state when it comes to criminal rights. This is a good move.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 10:59 PM
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42. Dang - I may soon actually have a repub official that I respect...
first time since the 80s when there were a few repubs in the senate I begrudgingly respected. One, in short order left the party (the only senate race I can *ever* recall rooting for the repub over the dem was... Lowell Wiecker over Joe Lieberman - as Weicker was a bit left of Lieberman - time has proved my gut reaction to that race back in 1988 - correct.) Another became a Sec of Defense under Clinton. Crist's early record (at least that which hits the national media) must be driving social conservatives absolutely nuts.
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