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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 02:41 PM
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Australia: Rudd sworn to secrecy (Cheney insisted on non-disclosure form before meeting)
According to senior Labor sources, Mr Cheney would not meet Mr Rudd until the conditions of secrecy had been met. Those conditions were put to the Opposition Leader by the US Embassy before the Cheney visit. The terms mean neither Mr Rudd nor Mr Cheney have revealed the nature of their exchanges over controversial issues such as Labor's proposal to withdraw Australian troops from Iraq and the continued imprisonment of terror suspect David Hicks.

While Mr Cheney held a joint media conference with Prime Minister John Howard at the conclusion of their talks yesterday, there was no such media briefing at the end of the meeting with Mr Rudd.

The Opposition Leader has yet to talk to the media about his exchange with the Vice-President. "We agreed to abide by the conditions set by the US Embassy," a senior Labor source said. "They agreed to the same conditions. Neither of us will be giving any briefings."

Shadow ministerial sources said it had been expected Mr Rudd would make the point to Mr Cheney that since there was no US outcry when other members of the so-called "Coalition of the willing" withdrew troops from Iraq, there should be no backlash if Australia did the same.

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,21281520-910,00.html
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 02:45 PM
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1. and Howie only talks of things Cheney tells him to talk about.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 02:51 PM
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2. Our Kaiser Dickie is at it once more.
I guess we just have to put up with the war lovers.Second rate people with power cam make a lot of trouble and our own Kaiser has done it.:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 02:53 PM
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3. Those poor folks
really ARE afraid of the US, aren't they?
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 02:54 PM
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4. Necessary for Dick. If anybody talks about what he says he can be debunked.
And he hates that.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 02:55 PM
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5. WHY in the hell is EVERYTHIING Cheney does or says a SECRET?
Is EVERYTHING he does illegal, improper, or evil, that no one can ever know?
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 02:57 PM
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6. He's a crook.
You do dirties, you keep big secrets.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 03:24 PM
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7. Because he's a fucking little insecure CON-artist
that's why.
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DKRC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 03:38 PM
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9. I know you meant
EVERYTHING he does IS illegal, improper, or evil, that no one can ever know.

:evilgrin:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 04:14 PM
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10. Yes. Next question.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 05:58 PM
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13. That's how the mafia operates.
Total secrecy translates to conspiracy.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 10:36 PM
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17. Or a junior hich school girls' clique. Cheney is the queen bee.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 03:24 PM
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8. More Cheney sneakiness
from http://thinkprogress.org/

Newsweek’s Holly Bailey, who is traveling with Dick Cheney, writes that the vice president has not allowed for any questions from the press pool so far. Bailey writes, “After nearly 27 hours of air travel over the last four days, reporters on the trip have laid eyes on Cheney for only the briefest snippets of time.” Bailey has become so frustrated that she put Cheney on the stopwatch — see her results.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 04:54 PM
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11. I read Baily's article, and one thing has become clear to me.
http://www.talk.newsweek.com/default.asp?item=505087

She said Cheney gave 2 briefings, but ONLY to the reporters from ABC! Remember the different reporterssaying they've given this WH a pass on a lot of issues because if they pushed them, they'd be frozen out of getting ANY INFO at all? It sure looks like that's what's happening here! I'm sure Cheney's pissed off at NBC becauseof Russert's testimony, and of course Olberman's constant criticism. and I guess all the rest EXCEPT ABC must have been critical too!!!

This tacticcould backfire onthe WH though. Nobody will publish their leaks anymore!
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 06:14 PM
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14. ABC is getting to be as bad as Faux News.
Path to 9/11... and then they used Rush Limbaugh as a guest to comment on something, can't remember what it was... I'm sure there are many more examples by now.

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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 03:52 PM
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24. Not altogether sure, but I think that in this context, ABC may mean
the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, not the American Broadcasting Corporation.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 05:52 PM
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12. Why is Charlie Manson in prison and Cheney's not??
Edited on Sat Feb-24-07 05:53 PM by Gman
I mean, fuck it! Why even have laws? Just release everybody, Charlie, the Unabomber why bother any more?
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jaksavage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 08:15 PM
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15. Very Discriminating
They want to decide who dies and when. Independants are squelched.
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 09:08 PM
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16. Cheney absolutely clear about Labor's Iraq policy: Rudd
The Federal Opposition Leader, Kevin Rudd, says the US Vice-President Dick Cheney was fully aware of Labor's Iraq policy when he said an Australian withdrawal would not damage the alliance.

(snip)
Mr Rudd has told Channel Nine he made Labor's policy of withdrawing combat troops clear to the Vice-President.

"I don't wish to compromise the confidentiality of those conversations, but our position on the record about the future of Australian combat forces in Iraq and when we would bring them home, was absolutely clear in the Vice-President's mind," he said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200702/s1856346.htm
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 12:09 AM
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18. This means they know Howard is a "goner" in the upcoming elections.
Edited on Sun Feb-25-07 12:10 AM by roamer65
I hope Rudd puts it to * like Gough Whitlam did with Nixon.

Rudd needs to quote Whitlam and publically state, "We are not a satellite of any other country". C'mon Kevin, make Gough proud!
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 03:31 AM
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19. Just how far do Darth Cheney's tentacles extend? Why does Australia tolerate this arrogance? WTF...
WTF is going on?! :wow:

Hekate

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 02:13 PM
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20. As I recall, it was a big wheat deal. That was the bribe that got Aussie
soldiers to Iraq in the "Coalition of the Billing." Can't recall the details. Forgot where I read it. Bush Junta bribes, bullying, strongarming, threatening--that's all the "coalition" has ever been. We have no moral credit left in the world. Or financial credit, for that matter. Our wad is shot. The invasion of Iraq was in no one's interest, except war profiteers, and for the Corporarate Reich's nazification and looting of the US. Mission Accomplished, on the looting. But the American people are not buying the nazification, God bless their democratic hearts!

No doubt someone, somewhere, is starving because of that wheat deal.

One wonders what Cheney has to offer, at this point. I think I shall check Asia Times. Very good source. May be where I read about the wheat deal. www.atimes.com
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 02:35 PM
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21. This may be it (or related)...
I've been trying to research that big wheat deal I remember reading about, as the bribe to Australia. I found this. Might be related. Dec. '06.

"U.S. Suspends Corrupt Australian Wheat Exporter

"AWB denied access to U.S. market

Rich Bowden   
Published 2006-12-21 12:18 (KST)   

"In a statement released in Washington yesterday, Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns announced the suspension and possible banning of Australian wheat company AWB from all U.S. government programs and contracts.

"In the release, Mr Johanns said that, following the findings of the Cole Commission established by the Australian Government to look into allegations of kickbacks; enough evidence now existed of "illicit activities" by AWB to warrant suspension. This was done, said the Agriculture Secretary, to 'protect the public interest' and to guarantee the integrity of the companies with which the U.S. does business." (MORE)

http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?menu=c10400&no=336040&rel_no=1

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Two things strike me. Wherever there is illegal behavior and an attempt to regulate, there you will find Cheney helping the criminals (if they are rich and can pay for their protection in some way). But also, the so-called "Oil For Food" scandal was used by the Bush Junta to attack the UN, and possibly was even engineered for that purpose.

So is this 'the screws' that Cheney was applying to Howard's or Labor's knees?

Of one thing you can be absolutely certain: The Bush US Agriculture Secretary has done nothing, and will never do anything, "to protect the public interest."
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 03:38 PM
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22. Here's what the Australian socialists say about it....
For one thing they say that Labour (Rudd)--like our Democrats--essentially supports US wars of aggression. As here, 78% of Australians oppose the Iraq War, and the two political parties at the top blockade that will of the people from being implemented. The article gives cogent background on Cheney's "Project for a New American Century" (PNAC--the NeoCon agenda), and US/Aussie relations re the Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran wars. Here's their read on Cheney's visit to Australia...

The gist: "While the official purpose of Cheney’s visits is to 'thank' the Japanese and Australian governments for their 'efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan', the context leaves little doubt that the administration’s plans for a confrontation with Iran will be the key issue on the agenda with its principal allies in the Pacific."

-----

"Under conditions where the Bush administration is refusing to rule out war over its allegations that Iran is attempting to construct nuclear weapons and (is) supplying weapons to Iraqi insurgents for attacks on American forces, Cheney’s trip is ominous. He suffers poor health and rarely travels overseas on matters of state. When he does, it is always for reasons of the highest priority for the Bush White House and its militarist agenda. His last trip was to Saudi Arabia in November, 2006 when he cajoled the Saudi monarchy to back the administration’s plans for a surge of troops into Iraq and to help forge an anti-Iranian alliance of Arab states. Following Cheney’s visit, Saudi Arabia increased oil production in order to force down prices and place greater economic pressure on Iran.


"The Iranian regime has categorically denied the US allegations, and the Bush administration has produced no evidence to support them. Nevertheless Washington is accelerating its preparations for war. Two aircraft carrier battle groups are now in the Persian Gulf, while state-of-the-art air bases have been completed at Bagram in Afghanistan and near Balad in Iraq that would facilitate a round-the-clock aerial bombardment of Iran’s military, economic and political infrastructure. The CIA is allegedly conducting covert operations inside the country, attempting to provoke unrest against the regime among the country’s numerous ethnic minorities.


"Tensions are steadily rising. Last week, Tehran accused the US of involvement in a terrorist attack in southeast Iran which killed 11 Iranian soldiers. This week, the deadline expires for Iran to comply with a United Nations resolution instructing it to cease enriching uranium.


"While the official purpose of Cheney’s visits is to 'thank' the Japanese and Australian governments for their 'efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan', the context leaves little doubt that the administration’s plans for a confrontation with Iran will be the key issue on the agenda with its principal allies in the Pacific.


"Cheney’s talks with political leaders in Japan and Australia constitute gatherings of what can only be described as an international criminal cabal. Behind the backs of ordinary people, sordid deals will be done to escalate the criminal violence emanating from Washington. In exchange for ongoing US support, Abe and Howard will be expected, at the very least, to echo US lies and fabrications about Tehran in the UN and other forums, as they did in relation to Iraq, thus providing a veneer of international support for further Bush administration war crimes.


"Not one question has been raised in the Australian parliament or mass media over the steadily escalating threats against Iran. No one within the official establishment has demanded answers from Howard or Rudd as to whether they will support US military action. Instead, a conspiracy of silence is underway to prevent working people from being alerted to the Bush administration’s advanced preparations for an even bloodier conflict in the Middle East.


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Here are their political plans:

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"The World Socialist Web Site and the International Committee of the Fourth International (ICFI) have issued the call for an international mobilisation of working people, students and youth against the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and the war drive against Iran.


"The political basis of such a movement must be the complete independence of the working class from the establishment political parties; the demand for the immediate and unconditional withdrawal of all foreign troops from Afghanistan and Iraq; the arrest and prosecution of the political leaders responsible for the war, including John Howard and his cabinet; opposition to all forms of communalism and nationalism; and a struggle for the socialist reorganisation of society to meet the needs and aspirations of the vast majority of the world’s population.


"The Socialist Equality Party in Australia is standing in the NSW elections to advance this program. We urge all opponents of militarism and war to support the SEP campaign politically and practically, to vote for our candidates and to make the decision to join and build our party.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/feb2007/chen-f21.shtml
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 06:59 PM
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25. Oh, Hekate,
my eyes must be tired - I read your sentence as testicles, not tentacles!
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 08:33 PM
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26. Oh, Delphinus -- I'm not sure he has any of those! ROFLMAO
:rofl:
After all, when a man has sold himself to the machine body and soul, what's left?

Hekate

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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 03:49 PM
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23. What if Rudd divulged the conversations? What then?
It's well known that the Chimpy administration hates the ideas of World Courts, the UN, international legal agreements, etc.

So what could Cheney do to him?

That non-disclosure form is as useless as Cheney's pledge to serve the Constitution.
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