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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:12 PM
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New home prices plunge, sales soar
Source: CNN

Sharpest decline in price of new homes since 1970 spurs stronger than expected sales in April.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- A big drop in the price of the typical new home sold in April spurred much better-than-expected sales, according to the latest government reading on the battered real estate and home building market released Thursday.

New homes sold at an annual pace of 981,000 in April, up 16.2 percent from the revised 844,000 pace in March. Economists surveyed by Briefing.com had forecast an 860,000 rate in April.

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The median price of a new home sold in April plunged 10.9 percent from a year earlier to $229,100. The new price reading was also down 11.1 percent from the March reading.



Read more: http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/24/news/economy/new_home_sales/index.htm
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:14 PM
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1. But There's NO Recession, No Sir!
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 10:22 PM
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24. The price of housing is lower, so it's good for the economy
It sucks if you are seller right now, but it's great if you are a buyer.

It would be like the price of oil going down, it's bad for big oil, but good for the consumer
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:19 PM
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2. Who's buying?
Speculators? An unknown government program? Martians?

You'd never know it from my area. More and more houses are getting put on the market and none of them are selling.
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pimpbot Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:29 PM
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9. Have you checked asking prices on those houses?
Many houses put up for sale recently are overpriced. Mostly because the person that bought the house paid too much and is trying to break even. A friend of mine is a real estate agent who had a client insist on a price, which was grossly over what comparable houses were selling for in the area. The house sat on the market for 60 days, client refused to listen.

Houses in the area (washington dc) sell fairly quickly if priced correctly. However "correctly" could mean lower than what someone paid a few years ago. I still believe a home is a good long term investment. The problem comes with these get rich quick people who unbalance the market by buying / selling multiple properties, none of which they own.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 02:34 PM
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20. Housing prices in CA are dropping rapidly
Some of houses are overpriced, but no where near when they were selling.

Some of the houses on sale are now reasonably priced. And they're still not selling.
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 07:50 AM
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28. Some are over priced???
I recently visited my cousin in San Diego and she showed me her house she bought in 1996 for $127,000. Its now worth over $500,000!!! She's bought several other's, the same size for well over $500,000 and rents them out.. Overpriced?? You would catch me buying any of this property..
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 11:15 AM
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29. Look outside of the big cities
Using San Diego, L.A. or S.F. is not a fair comparison.

Housing prices in Bakersfield, for example, have dropped much more than those areas.
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 10:18 PM
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23. In my area only the banks showup at county repos sales. n/t
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 04:58 AM
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27. Same in my area speculators have overbuilt for the
last 4 years and are now paying the price.
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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:20 PM
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3. Does this negatively impact the "existing home" market? I would think so.
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sdfernando Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:20 PM
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4. Wait for the revised April numbers
these revision are almost ALWAYS lower due to cancellations. Also, no mention of Y0Y numbers which is a much better comparison than month to month. Overall the housing market is still in deep doo doo.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 01:24 PM
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16. Yes. Month to month "surges" and "plunges" are not very useful indicators.
Year to year comparisons and 3 to 6 month trend data are more important, as is looking separately at the the new home market and the sales of existing homes.
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pimpbot Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:21 PM
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5. Actually, this doesn't sound that bad of news
Prices are correcting from the inflated prices of a few years ago, and people are starting to buy again. Its good news if you're a potential buyer, as prices are down, and its good news if you're a seller, as it seems more people are looking to buy.

It isn't good news to people who bought at the peak of the inflated prices, as it will likely be 5+ years before they will see their house at the same value they bought at. Bad news for flippers, decent news for a long term purchase.
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 09:13 PM
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22. Except prices could be plunging and sales "soaring"
for the next 10 years. Maybe it will be a good time to buy then, but we may never see these prices for quite a while. Renting is the way to go for now.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:22 PM
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6. I don't believe it
Sales soar? Do those figures include the real estate sharks out there gobbling up homes on the brink of foreclosure, due to shaky loans?

Yes, prices are plunging. But people are losing their homes because of predatory lending.
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Henryman Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:55 PM
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13. How do you gobble up a foreclosed NEW home??? n/t
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 02:13 PM
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19. I meant overall sales
New homes are being built, but they are not moving at the rate they claim, at least not in my area. But there are certainly more sales in existing homes, and lots of those "we will bail you out of foreclosure" sharks circling in my area.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 01:37 PM
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18. It's CNN- they'll say anything
As the poster above indicated, wait for the revised numbers from a credible source.
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smitty Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:24 PM
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7. Wait a sec! The prices of houses fall and sales of houses
subsequently increase. Who'd think that would happen!
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 01:02 PM
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That might have of also been a on purpose typo......
The soar could might of should of been SOUR

The reports i have been hearing is they are still down 10% below last year.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:26 PM
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8. Gee, a few more plunges and maybe I'll be able to buy
a house. I certainly couldn't afford one now, and really don't thank people who paid inflated prices for them the last few years, thereby pricing me out of the market.
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pimpbot Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:32 PM
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10. Prices will continue to correct
Hopefully we will see less of these bogus loans so you wont see people paying way over market value for a house. I think that was one of the main reasons for what happened. Sure, lend someone $500k who makes $30k a year and they can pay a premium for a home... until they realize in a year or two theres no way they can afford the adjusted payment.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:40 PM
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11. I know; it's ridiculous. And where I live (Seattle) they haven't corrected yet
Though I do see houses staying on the market for a lot longer.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:44 PM
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12. 1200 square foot condo for 270,000 here in Sacramento.
It would have been 340,000 a while back I imagine. I'm waiting for a larger drop. This market is slated for big declines as the local economic fundamentals cannot sustain the existing prices. People are being stubborn and pricing high but time will force the hands of some. Foreclosures are big as are short sales.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 01:01 PM
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14. 2 house on my street are for sale in Elk Grove, one is 2700sf, she started at
$470,000, it's down to $410,000 and i expect to sell somewhere in the $375,000 range, a year and half ago she bought it for $515,000. the other that is for sale actually went into foreclosure, they bought for $475,000 and couldn't make the pmts.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 01:16 PM
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15. It was almost $200/square foot. Crazy.
Summer of 2005 was the peak. Due to a separation, I'm out of the housing market, but looking to get back in. I think patience is key right now, or else I'll end up in one of the ugly 1970-era fourplexes sprinkled around town.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 01:25 PM
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17. i agree, we haven't hit the bottom yet--but it's coming and i am so glad we never
borrowed from out house and that we go a regular plain old 15 year fixed. We paid $209,000 in 2000, we put a pool and a deck in for $25,000. we've made 2 improvements that we did when we had the cash to do them, the first was getting rid of the useless gas-logs in the fire place and putting in a really nice and efficient Vermont castings enclosed fireplace, out gas bill has been cut in half and the other things was plantation shutters this past fall, i'm hoping because of the r value we'll save on A/C bills this summer.
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diamidue Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 11:50 PM
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26. Have you seen this site?
It contains a list of homes in the Sacramento area and gives photos and data on how far they have come down in price - and still no buyers.

http://flippersintrouble.blogspot.com/
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 10:33 PM
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25. I think the sales up/prices down phenomenon reflects that sellers who were holding out finally
decided that prices aren't going to stay up there.

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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 02:43 PM
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21. Fantastic news. As a landlord who is looking to expand my holdings, I welcome a correction.
There is money to be made in almost every move in any direction of the housing market.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 11:37 AM
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30. Sales of existing homes are down
"WASHINGTON - Sales of existing homes fell by a larger-than-expected amount in April while the median price of a home sold during the month fell for a ninth straight month as the troubles in the subprime mortgage market acted as a further drag on housing."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070525/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/economy

Builders are unloading their inventory at fire-sale prices so people are buying new houses instead of existing houses.
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 12:55 PM
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31. I wouldn't touch a new home with a ten foot pole right now.
Edited on Fri May-25-07 12:58 PM by roamer65
Even with a discount, it will likely be worth much less than the purchase price in the near future. This correction has only just begun.
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fedsron2us Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 03:24 PM
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33. Contradicted by today's figures from the National Association of Realtors
http://www.realtor.org/press_room/news_releases/2007/ehs_apr07_lending_standards_affect.html

The excellent Bonddad Blog called bullshit on the US government report published yesterday and todays figures justify his scepticism

http://bonddad.blogspot.com/

Is this just another example of the tendency of the current administration to flood the media with 'unsound' economic data ? Perhaps they think they can 'buck the market'.
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