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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 05:15 AM
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Arphid Watch: Arphid Cancer
Source: Wired Blogs

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As the AP will report, a series of research articles spanning more than a decade found that mice and rats injected with glass-encapsulated RFID transponders developed malignant, fast-growing, lethal cancers in up to 1% to 10% of cases. The tumors originated in the tissue surrounding the microchips and often grew to completely surround the devices, the researchers said.

/snip
A four-month AP investigation turned up additional documents, several of which had been published before VeriChip's parent company, Applied Digital Solutions, sought FDA approval to market the implant for humans. The VeriChip received FDA approval in 2004 under the watch of then Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson who later joined the company's board.

Under FDA policy, it would have been VeriChip's responsibility to bring the adverse studies to the FDA's attention, but VeriChip CEO Scott Silverman claims the company was unaware of the research.

Read more: http://blog.wired.com/sterling/2007/09/arphid-watch-ar.html



Arphid=RFID chips. This is very important, not just for humans but also for pets "Identichipped". Please make as many people aware of this as possible
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 05:19 AM
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1. Great, so if my cat doesn't die of kidney failure from
tainted pet food, he might get cancer from his chip.

Fucking great. Make my morning. :mad: :mad:

Maybe I should have it removed?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 05:34 AM
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2. Didn't this very thing happen to Scully on X-Files?
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 07:38 AM
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4. Yes! Her chip was in her neck! And she got cancer. You gotta
marvel at how prescient X-Files was. . .
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 06:55 AM
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3. Very scary. I have two cats with these chips.
And I already lost a third to cancer, but he didn't have one of the chips.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 10:04 AM
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5. kick
nt
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 10:04 AM
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6. that's it, then
The chips are going to be removed. My cats are only one-year old; hope it hasn't done much damage.

Cher
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 11:10 AM
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8. apparently they aren't so easy to have removed
I'd checked into this after I got the kitten (now cat) that I got at the local shelter. She has a chip implanted in and they said it was very difficult to remove it and required major surgery!!
Yikes is all I can say, along with a few other $#!%&#%@ words!!!

:kick:

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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 01:38 PM
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14. No vet will touch that with a ten foot pole. Where the hell are they going
to look? Those things are the size of a grain of rice, and they migrate.

Just cross your fingers that your cats aren't among the few that this will happen to. And think twice about putting anything into your cat that is designed to stick around rather than dissolve.

Disclaimer: I am a cat vet. If somebody brought a perfectly healthy cat to me and requested that I find and remove a chip, I would have to refuse. I won't take money for a HORRIBLY TRAUMATIC, EXTENSIVE EXPLORATORY surgery that is probably unnecessary. IMHO any vet who would suggest the removal of a chip from a healthy cat should have their license revoked.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 07:26 PM
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20. So they can't be located with Xrays?
just curious...
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 08:52 PM
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21. I was gonna say no, they are glass. But, duh - I saw an article in a vet
journal a couple months ago where an owner tried to implant a chip themselves and managed to put it into the cat's SPINAL CORD, resulting in very expensive surgery to remove and an uncertain neurologic prognosis. There was an Xray. So yes, they show up. But even with two views to locate the chip in three dimensions, you still have real flesh and blood surgery to find and remove it. I still would refuse.

You just DON'T go poking around like that in healthy tissue - you can do vast damage to nerves and blood vessels and other tissue, and for no good reason other than someone's fear.

Same reason we don't chase after bullets or lead shot if a hunting dog catches a few. They are probably not going to cause harm where they are, and the surgery is too traumatic.

Remember, having a chip merely increases the risk of this cancer; it is a long long long long long shot from guaranteeing it.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:23 PM
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22. Well that makes sense
it also makes sense to me that they cause cancer, seeing as they migrate around, and probably irritate tissues in some more sensitive animals.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 11:36 PM
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23. This actually surprises me, because the glass is supposedly inert/nonreactive.
Guess we don't know EVERYTHING.

I wonder if somehow the chip inside gets induced to produce some local electrochemical effect that was unforseen......
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 10:11 AM
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7. They were "unaware" of the research?? Ha ha. The all-purpose excuse..
Bush "unaware" planes would be used...Gonzo "unaware" what was going on in his own DOJ...blahblahblah...

Bull. Shit. Name me one Repub who has EVER had to do their frikkin' JOB since the installation of the Monkey 7+ years ago!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 11:25 AM
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9. My cat, Silver, had spinal lymphoma and a 7 year old chip
that had been placed between his shoulder blades right above the spine when I adopted him from the shelter. I had him euthanized 2 months ago after spending thousands trying to diagnose why he was behaving oddly and walking strangely.

It was heartbreaking, he was only 9 or 10 years old.

I have 3 other cats w/these chips......
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 01:40 PM
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15. Your cat's spinal lymphoma was NOT caused by the chip.
The type of cancer they saw in the rats, IIRC, was fibrosarcoma. It's the one associated with foreign material (ie some vaccine adjuvants).

Chips don't cause lymphoma.
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Sweet Freedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 12:05 PM
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10. Damn it! I just chipped my 5-year-old cat. /nt
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 12:29 PM
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11. are vets reporting this? is in in veterinary journals?
if not, i don't believe it. these things have been widely used in pets for a long time. i would have been obvious by now if there was any real danger.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 01:43 PM
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16. This causes fibrosarcoma. If a vet sees a fibrosarcoma around the tops
of the shoulder blades s/he is going to label it vaccine-associated fibrosarcoma (FSA). Period.

They could be seeing lots of these and nobody would know, until and unless a lucky pathologist finds a chip right square in the middle of an early, small FSA.
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ptolle Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 12:30 PM
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12. nais
I'll need to do some checking to see if there's any connection here to a rather insidious program called the National Animal Identification System.I'd not be surprised in that that program does little to address real problems of food safety but would almost certainly be a windfall for firms like Verichip.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 05:43 PM
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18. NAIS was pushing RF ear tags, at least for cattle - of course they were also
pushing id on ALL domestic animals
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 12:52 PM
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13. My dog has one in his leg that they put in at the animal shelter -
I didn't ask for it which pisses me off - all shelter animals come with it now.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 01:44 PM
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17. Why did they put it in the LEG?? If he gets lost and then picked
up, they are going to scan his upper back and potentially miss a chip in the LEG.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 07:22 PM
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19. Why are chips being put in pets?
I must have missed that story.
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Stargazer99 Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 12:11 PM
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24. Its to get humans used to being chipped....think!
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 02:52 PM
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25. I'm too late to recommend this,
so I'm kicking it.
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