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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 05:10 PM
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Brazil anger over US security checks
Brazil anger over US security checks

By Steve Kingstone
BBC correspondent in Sao Paulo

The new US security procedures have drawn a sharp response from Brazil, which has begun taking fingerprints of all US citizens arriving in the country.

The move has caused problems at airports in Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo.

The decision to register visitors was taken by federal judge Julier Sebastiao da Silva, who said the new US immigration policy was brutal, xenophobic and worthy of the worst horrors committed by the Nazis.

His retaliatory ruling means that from now, all US travellers arriving in Brazil be both fingerprinted and then photographed holding a card bearing their name.

Delays

At Sao Paulo's international airport, where thousands of US citizens arrive every day, the move has led to long delays at immigration.

"They put all of the Americans in one line and sort of delayed our arrival for a bit," one man said.

more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3370653.stm
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 05:15 PM
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1. We sure know how to piss off a lot of people
the world over, don't we?
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Flagg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 05:27 PM
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2. way to go Brazil !!!!!!!!!

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AromaticSocks Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 05:28 PM
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3. How is Brazil on gun registration and fingerprinting?
Can one truck around Brazil like they do in Vermont with no connection between them and their guns?

On another note what is the Democratic concensus on gun registration?
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 05:42 PM
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7. Yes and needs it's own thread.
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the_red_pill Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 05:39 PM
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4. Whats the big deal?
Since 9/11 Airports and delays go hand in hand, you just have to expect it. Getting your mugshot taken may seem extreme, but I don't think its a violation since you must present identification anyway. The delays are a pain, but people are still traveling and I'm sure a lot of travelers feel at least a little bit safer with these kinds of security measures in place. I know that a little waiting and a picture wouldn't stand between me and sandy beaches.
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bedtimeforbonzo Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 05:48 PM
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8. brutal, xenophobic and worthy of the worst horrors committed by the Nazis.
that's the big deal.
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 05:53 PM
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10. I didn't see much in the way of security at Heathrow / London last
summer.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 08:08 AM
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18. I disagree
Both my wife and I were body frisked at Schipol--Amsterdam last August. The friskers--who by the way thought it was disgusting,--- said they had to do it because someone from the U.S. told them they had to. The flight was going to Detroit and was delayed . It took over 3 hours to load the plane.

Other people have told me that some asshole in homeland insecurity periodically puts something like this out for either reasons of boredom or worse --- just to show that they have the power to have someone' vagina groped.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:04 AM
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19. Even Nazi's didn't require being fingerprinted and photographed..
when leaving or entering the country.

A passport or papers was all that was required.
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 05:41 PM
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5. Bravo to Brazil for standing up to this terrorism insanity
now I wish American voyagers would start complaining too about the treatment not only foreigners receive coming into this country, but Americans too. I've had it with this nonsense, and refuse to put up with it anymore.
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AromaticSocks Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 05:49 PM
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9. What if lax security lets another 9/11 happen?
Would the lack of the 15 second fingerprint be worth another 9/11?

If this time next year when Dean is running the country and he wants the fingerprinting will it be ok then?
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 05:56 PM
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11. isn't this a round-about way for Wubya and friends to get the same info
that a National Identification Card with 'biometric markers' would have given the government? (Blair wanted it too but Britain said No Way)
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AromaticSocks Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 06:09 PM
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12. Not Wubya...Dean
What if Dean wants it?
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 06:31 PM
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13. it is never okay
it is a violation of one's privacy, it is unnecessary and it is without question a facist tactic.
Trading your freedom for security is never, never ever a worthy deal. Inevitably, you will lose your freedoms and be less secure.

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AromaticSocks Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 06:37 PM
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14. Sounds good to me
I trust you are 100% against registration for law abiding private gun owners. Yes?
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 04:03 AM
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17. Right. Let's just register the law-breaking gun owners.
And fingerprint terrorists only. ;)
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 05:42 PM
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6. ChoicePoint Will Buy All This Data And Sell To US
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coolhand27 Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 07:16 PM
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15. Umm...okay
"The decision to register visitors was taken by federal judge Julier Sebastiao da Silva, who said the new US immigration policy was brutal, xenophobic and worthy of the worst horrors committed by the Nazis."

So stripping hundreds of people naked, gassing them, then burying them in mass graves is the same as fingerprinting and photographing visitors. Give me a break.

After an attack such as 9/11, and with the current threats of further attacks, there has to be a way to track immigrants and visitors. I'm not claiming we currently have the correct system in place, but something has to be done.

I suppose if the US had arrested Mohammed Otta and company on Sept. 10, 2001, there would have been some who would have accused us of detaining Muslims just like the Nazis detained the Jews.
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JailForBush Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 08:33 PM
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16. Gee, do you suppose they'll detain a couple Asian American U.S.
citizens who were born in Japan and deport them to North Korea to be tortured? I guess it wouldn't exactly be fair, since U.S. citizens aren't the ones making the rules, but it would sure be great if they could nab George W. Bush and ship that bastard to Syria.
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