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Maq Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:38 PM
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INTERPOL seeks public’s help to identify man photographed sexually abusing children
Source: SOURCE: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/07/AR2007100701195.html


INTERPOL seeks public’s help to identify man photographed sexually abusing children
Operation Vico 08 October 2007
LYON, France – INTERPOL is making a public worldwide request for assistance in identifying a man photographed sexually abusing children in a series of images posted on the Internet, the first time the organization has made such an appeal.

Although the original photographs had been digitally altered by him or his accomplices to disguise his face, specialists from the Bundeskriminalamt (BKA) in Germany working with INTERPOL’s Trafficking in Human Beings unit have been able to produce an identifiable picture.

Despite extensive global efforts to identify and locate this individual through INTERPOL’s network of 186 National Central Bureaus and specialist units, the man’s identity and nationality still remain unknown.
SOURCE: http://www.interpol.int/

Further Story SOURCE: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/07/AR2007100701195.html

Read more: http://www.interpol.int



I do not know how a person would contact Interpol, but I suspect it would be through the FBI.

The swirly face is the way the image was on Interpols' URL.

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LaStrega Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:51 PM
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1. the swirly face thing is distracting & IMO detracts from possible identification n/t
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:57 PM
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2. I imagine the "swirly face" is how the image was originally
INTERPOL was somehow able to "unswirl" it, thus exposing the culprit.
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LaStrega Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 02:02 AM
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7. oh oh ... that didn't occur to me ... makes sense
here's hoping they find that piece of shit.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:19 PM
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13. If so, that's no reason to include the swirl in the image on the website.
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monktonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 10:47 PM
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3. To stop swirl, hit the stop button on your browser
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:04 AM
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4. Hitting the stop button won't do a thing; it's an animated gif
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monktonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:30 AM
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5. I guess I have a "magic" stop button?
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:04 AM
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6. me too. Now it's permanantly swirly!
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jordi_fanclub Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 03:20 AM
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8. Here's all available photos...
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 03:38 AM by jordi_fanclub
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Maq Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:24 AM
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9. Thanks for the geek service
My computer skills are not at the expert level. Further, I did not survey the complete interpol site.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:57 AM
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11. The swirl factor only adds to my disgust!
:puke:
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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:34 AM
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10. If INTERPOL only could find their own FUGATIVE CHIEF
... then I might have some confidence that they could find this child-abusing monster.

"South African prosecutors secured an arrest warrant for Jackie Selebi, the national police commissioner and president of Interpol, news reports said late on Thursday.

There were few details about the case. Persistent news reports have linked Selebi, who is also a leading figure in domestic politics, to organized crime figures ..."


Of course, this could all just be South African politics as usual. But it certainly seems possible that the head of INTERPOL is a criminal. Possibly just another example of bringing American "family" (as in cosa nostra) values to the world?
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:18 PM
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12. Well, he won't go unnoticed walking down the street.
You see a face swirling like that, call Interpol!

What the hell is the swirl all about?
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:22 PM
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14. That's how the image was before interpol decoded it to reveal
his face.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:41 PM
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15. The swirl was done by either him or someone helping him
to disquise his identity.

It is quite easy to create the swirl in most graphic programs. I am very impessed that the specialists were able to "undo" the swirl.
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 03:39 PM
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16. Why. The mathematical function used to generate the swirl...
...is known and deconvolution is now old hat.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 03:42 PM
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17. What is deconvolution?
TIA
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 03:24 AM
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19. Literally - Taking out the wrinkles.
Mathematically it's essentially cleaning up a "noisy" signal where the noise isn't really noise (random). It's what they did to "fix" the early Hubble pics before they installed the corrective lenses.

Probably best if you Wiki it, if you want a more extensive explanation.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:37 PM
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21. Thank you
I did check Wiki, but I understand your explanation better.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:29 PM
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18. Well apparently the molestor in the photos
didn't think it would be easy to unscramble his swirly face.
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:58 AM
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20. Idiot thought he was being cute.
But any mathematical function which does not destroy information can be reversed to recover that information. It may not be practicable to do it by brute force in some instances, eg public key encryption, but it is not impossible. A mathematical function which has parameters that has at most a few tens (or at most hundreds) of thousands total combinations isn't even the beginning of a challenge. Just bloody tedious waiting for a result.

And even if, as is inevitable when mapping mathematically "real" numbers onto an integer data space, some information is destroyed, that "destroyed" data remains potentially recoverable, if a sufficiently large data space can be "explored".

There are an infinite number of infinities. Thus a sufficiently large "finity" (Spellcheck says no such term. LOL) can be considered "infinite" for a given value of "infinite". And an "infinite" data space by definition contains "all" data.

The technological advances in image capture and information transmission, (bigger and faster) as any type of number crunching make it possible to explore larger and larger "infinities" and thus in this instance make an anonymous miscreant "onymous" (nope not there either :P ).

The uber-forensics (extracting faces from a small handful of pixels) we see on TV are impossible for single images from security video. This is a mathematically provable fact.

However, in my more stoned moments, I have considered the possibility of using multiple sequential images to recover that lost information. By mathematically overlaying a sequence of "pixelated" images, the averaging of the "infinite resolution" of "reality" in each pixel of a, say 50 odd pixel face, in each frame would be an averaging of different patches of "reality". 25% saturation in a single pixel might equal a pale grey, but a pattern of 0%, 25%, 25%, 25% 0% in the same "average pixel" in subsequent frames, would more likely be a white dot on a black background, or part of an intersecting white line. Oversimplified to glory I know, (I'm a synthesist, not a specialist.) but I hope the general idea is getting across. (Especially to any mathematicians if the idea hasn't been considered yet. :D )

And a singular beauty of the hypothesis, is that if it works at all, it will work for virtually any sufficiently large, or information rich, (ie variable, but known background) sequence of images. One thing it might lead to is visually "noisy" but nonetheless mathematically precise backgrounds in sensitive monitored spaces.


The smart way to hide information you never want to be revealed is to "destroy" it utterly. For images, pixelation (combine and average multiple pixels to make a larger pixel) or complete blanking of an entire region, is the usual method for both the black and white hats.

And if my thoughts above are correct then even that is suspect (or not true at all) for moving images. Only utter destruction of information is sufficient to irreversibly mask any given "identifiable" portion of an image and a large enough sequence of such images. Including blacking/blanking of any potentially reflective surface with the right angle of incidence to reflect the offender, or something forensically linkable to that offender in each frame, whilst maintaining a child porno's "aesthetic/arousing" qualities, would become almost as interesting, a mathematical problem as unmasking the "hidden information" would be. Really there's not much point to being a skiting prick if the result of keeping your actual person unidentifiable might as well have been drawn with driveway chalks on wet pebblecrete. Did you (and not you in particular if you want to be pointlessly offended) remember the freckles on your arse BTW?


What is very, very dumb here, is Interpol revealing what they'd done, if this technique (swirling, or other Photoshop function) of concealment is in regular (no matter how infrequent) use. Granted, eventually all will be revealed in court. However, in the intervening interval, they have given up a valuable tool for catching these people. Particularly since they could "skite" about their ingenuity (Especially the "spooky" staring eye that centering on the pupil created. (THAT would appeal to a certain mentality.)) whilst trolling chatrooms and other virtual spaces.


Parenthetically: Stranger things have happened, and I don't really believe it for a minute, but it is just barely possible that most instances of government "leaks" that cuase harm rather than "keep the bastards honest", are due to nothing but mindless idiot's patting themselves on the back in front of the media, and then the subsequent shit is merely an 800lb kitten trying to cover up on a tile floor. (I know no "merely" about it. :P )
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 03:03 PM
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22. Kick. nt.
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