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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 03:31 PM
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U.S., Mexico plan $8B drug war effort
Source: Miami Herald

U.S., Mexico plan $8B drug war effort
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By PABLO BACHELET
pbachelet@MiamiHerald.com

WASHINGTON -- An ambitious U.S.-Mexico counter-drug plan would involve several countries in Central America and more than $8 billion, with Mexico providing the bulk of the money, a Pentagon official said Tuesday.

The U.S. portion of the package is about $1.5 billion, although the exact amount and the number of years it covers are still being worked out by negotiators, said Stephen Johnson, the deputy assistant secretary for the Western Hemisphere at the Department of Defense.

This is the first time U.S. officials have shed some light on one of the Bush administration's signature initiatives for Latin America, a program somewhat similar to the multibillion effort known as Plan Colombia in that South American nation.

Johnson said the program, which he called a ''historic'' effort to bring the United States closer to its neighbor, includes Washington supplying helicopters and other equipment but does not contemplate deploying U.S. military personnel in Mexico, in deference to nationalistic sentiments there.



Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking_news/story/273442.html
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 03:34 PM
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1. This is about drugs like the invasion of Iraq was about WMDs.
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 03:38 PM
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3. So what's the deal here....
The RW loves to sell the sheeple the "war on" (Place Slogan Here), crap? This is yet another failed policy where resources could be better spent on real issues like education and healthcare.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 03:41 PM
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6. It probably is about drugs, but not eradicating them.
The BFEE/CIA has been making money running drugs for decades.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 06:38 PM
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11. Well said, eShirl! n/t
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 03:37 PM
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2. What no plan Canada.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 03:38 PM
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4. The so-called War on Drugs is a travesty and should be disbanded
I mean, how many more non-violent offenders must have their lives ruined by draconian drug laws?
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 03:41 PM
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5. Right...
Let's parole the violent criminals and lock up some with with a couple of bongs. :eyes:
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allisonthegreat Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:52 AM
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15. Exactly. Waste of resources, time, lives, shall I go on? n/t
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 03:51 PM
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7. I surrender


What a waste of time, money, and people.

Since the 1950s we have had a war on drugs and it hasn't done a thing.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 04:05 PM
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8. I've read the price of cocaine has gone DOWN since the start of Plan Colombia,
making it quite a bit more affordable for users.

Should be interesting to see the grand effect of pouring billions of dollars into Mexico, just as we have in Colombia, where the military and paramilitaries (death squads) dress up the bodies of peasants in rebel clothing to make it appear they have been slaughtered in the government's WAR against drugs.

Got the links if anyone wants more verification of that.
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 04:15 PM
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9. with what money? are they printing the money as we speak? stupid
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Socal31 Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:18 PM
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12. Actually, yes.
Even worse, borrowing it from China.


The good thing is, China won't want to get into any conflict with us, because we owe them so much damn $$$!
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 06:36 PM
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10. Oh, God, things are going to get rough for Mexico's union organizers, peasant farmers
(what's left of them, after "free trade"), political leftists and the poor in general. Thousands of innocents have been slaughtered in Colombia in the murderous U.S. "war on drugs" under the Bush Junta--people like union organizers against Chiquita--by rightwing death squads with very close ties to the Colombian government and military, who are also into big drug and weapons trafficking. Two hundred thousand Mayan villagers were slaughtered in Guatemala in the 1980s, under Reagan, for suspicion of being leftists, and 50 leftist candidates, their family members or campaign workers have been assassinated in Guatemala's recent elections, with gangs in the pay of the rightwing the suspicious party. The "war on drugs" is a fascist extermination campaign against honest people, similar to the anti-communist crusade of previous decades. And it's already started in Mexico, with the smashing of the peaceful Oaxaca teachers' union protest. These billions of dollars have nothing to do with drug interdiction. In fact, drug traffic will increase. It's the kind of society that Bushites thrive in--and profit hugely in--chaos, murder, fear, torture, militarism and billions in U.S. taxpayer welfare to war profiteers, police state profiteers and mercenaries.

This is an appalling development, in and of itself. But when you ask WHERE the U.S. billions will be coming from--our Social Security pensions, or government worker pensions, and other public funds (which the Bush Junta has already borrowed heavily against, to pay for an unnecessary, unjust corporate resource war), and from our children's future (gouging into all public expenditures--for education, for medical care, for infrastructure)--and where MEXICO's billions will be coming from--similar sources, all hurting the poor the most--it is....

...unconscionable.

Mexico's poor is in such great need--they have been so devastated by "free trade" and the ripoff of their farm lands and natural resources--for the government to spend $8 billion on guns and bullets...well... no bullet is ever going to hit any major drug trafficker, except for the ones who are foolish enough not be giving Mexican politicians and the CIA their cuts, and the rest of the bullets are for....?

It makes me weep. But I don't think we should waste tears or anger on these high-rolling gangsters. We have to repair our own society and government, so that OUR policy becomes just and peaceful, and do everything we can to encourage the amazing Bolivarian Revolution to the south--especially the governments of Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador and Argentina, which have rejected the U.S. "war on drugs" and are throwing the U.S. military out of their countries, and are building something new--democratic strength, transparent elections, social justice and "fair trade." They are creating SANE policies about recreational and medicinal drugs, and are actually having success in the battle against the criminal drug trade. This revolution, and its leftist (majorityist) allies in Brazil, Uruguay, Chile and Nicaragua (and soon Paraguay), provides a hopeful model for central America, which has been much slower to develop democratic institutions, and, in come cases, like Guatemala and El Salvador, have been so destroyed by U.S. interference, looting and rightwing militarism, that there is literally a paucity of political activists because so many were killed.

Calderon in Mexico is truly playing with fire. He was elected by the slimmest of margins--0.05%--in a contested (and probably stolen) election. Like Bush, he has no mandate for rightwing policy. Yet he is bent on imposing it. And the price may be open revolt. Mexico is boiling with discontent. It's much closer to the surface than it is here. Millions of people were out in the streets protesting Calderon's highly suspicious vote count. I hope open revolt does not occur, because the poor will suffer the most. And it appears that Amlo and others are aware that they need to create peaceful change, by working on their democratic institutions--as the South Americans have done. Peaceful change CAN occur. These other countries are proving it. But it's a long and difficult battle, requiring much patience. It's one that we, too, have to fight and win.



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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 09:42 AM
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13. Right on.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:42 AM
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14. What a JOKE.
What's the public sentiment about ending the farcical drug war?

How many people in this country doesn't see it for the scam it is?
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